Oh man I miss when Five Gum first came out and we didn't know we were putting spearmint gasoline in our mouths and we just wanted a pack of gum as cool looking as a pack of cigarettes-what a wild time it was to be alive/memeing
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Yeah, I'm with you. It's just that he's aware of the drugs. There literally is no good reason in the story for him not to tell them or at least not pressure them.The thing is though that i'm pretty sure Sterling is the only male being fed aphrodisiac drugs right? And guys are already horny goblin perverts compared to women right?so imagine how crazy he must feel being on aphrodisiacs when he's already a huge horndog to begin with.
They even call Drew out for not telling anyone at the end, but Drew unlike Sterling didn't pressure anyone to have sex despite also being under the affect of the drugs.
Yeah, I just meant if you compare the way Hunter has sex with them in the NTRs to how Sterling does, Hunter, oddly enough, is more compassionate in that he doesn't get off by demeaning them. Neither are being loving, but just by comparison Sterling is clearly more self-centered and for some reason enjoys berating and dominating them.
Exactly, that's why it's so messed up how he treats them by comparison. Especially Brenna. He lies to her for his own benefit without flinching while she sinks into depression. He doesn't even try to help but actually gaslights her into feeling like she's crazy and has no reaction to how messed up it makes her. Even blaming her for "taking it out on everyone" lol.
That's bad enough without even considering actually taking advantage of her being drugged. Especially when she confides in him about having trust issues and tells him flat out she feels like something bad happened to her and he's not being honest about it and he doesn't even lose any sleep over how it's affecting her. But, the moment he's in the hot seat, now he can tell Brenna that Hunter attacked her and she's not crazy because it actually affects HIM now.. It's wild how messed up he is to her specifically. But I'm not sure it's intentional, it might just be slipping through the writing.
The MC's that molest their sleeping family at night love them too, it's just not enough to not be a creep.
Even if he has no self-control because of the drugs, Brenna still recognized what she did to Ophelia and felt bad. He doesn't even acknowledge how messed up what he does is. If anything, he gets mad at the girls for not making it easier, lol.
I think if Sterling was really sorry towards Brenna like you mentioned, he would at least not pursue Catherine or lie to Brenna about it, especially with all she had done for him and what she asked of him.
Everyone does selfish things sometimes, you're right, but with Sterling he's practicing it consistently.
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I don't see how by any standard measure that Hunter is a "better person" to the girls than Sterling in any way. He only cares about his sex god mantle and his legacy and doesn't care about anything else. He would go so far as to kill his own son/daughter, grand-daughter and torture/mutilate his grandson to death. Hunter would literally stop at nothing to achieve his goals. Also, if I remember correctly, Hunter regrets not being a pedophile to his daughter (as he mentions he regrets that David got her pregnant before he did in the last chapter).
However, I agree with you on that Sterling is indeed a hypocrite and faces no real consequence for juggling so many women. And if he does gets caught, the drugs that he hates so much not only just saves him but also turns the whole situation on his favor.
Honestly, none of the characters in this game is portrayed as a perfect character and I’m fine with that. Everyone has their own flaws and that is good writing in this game.
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It's wild you think he's doing that genuinely and it's not just another form of manipulation.
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I don't know if I'm the only one to notice that almost all if not all of the "first sex" between Sterling and his family members happened without the influence of the drugs. Catherine fucked Sterling because of the Lindsay Lohan cameo that he managed on her birthday. Brenna and Sterling had sex outside of their home and there was no drug. Amber fucked him after the drugged wine's effects wore off. For Ophelia, I'm not 100% sure but as far as I remember there was no PSHSHSH(vent noises) sounds in that scene.
Now I don't know if the main plot device of the story a.k.a the aphrodisiac drugs would be completely removed in main ending or not but I'd still be okay with it.
Hunter's first times are way worse than Sterlings. He literaly raped Brenna in one of the bad endings by drugging pretending to be sterling than drugging her so badly that she couldn't even tell the two apart. He was also just saying whatever lines Sterling fed him. That's what all his scenes are. He drugs them to the point they can't focus properly then take advantage of them.
And you can't say that Sterling knows about the drugs because he doesn't. He knows about some of them which is why he dumps out any food or drinks that hunter makes, but he had no idea about the vents until someone told him Hunter fixed it and it's not like sterling is immune to the vents either. And the reason why he didn't tell anyone else about the drugs is because he had no proof. And honestly I can't really think of any time Sterling treats his family members poorly ever. I don't remeber Brenna ever having depression. And the only time he messed up with Ophelia he apologized for it later and that was before they started having sex. When does he ever berate them? It's almost like your playing a different game because half the stuff you've said I don't remember ever happening. I don't remember Sterling ever being mean to Brenna or mistreating her and that seems ot be the thing you're mostly hung up about. And the only scenes I remember Sterling having while he knew the girls were drugged where both early in game and leads to ntr scenes with Hunter when Sterling refuses
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That's a good point I forgot how Sterling actively tries to remove any drugs on his sight. But in the latest chapters he kind of voluntarily takes the "truth gas" drug in kumiko-chatherine threesome scene and lucia scene iirc.
Sterling didn't even know that Cathrine was going to be there. He only agreed to take the truth gas because Kumiko asked him too. He had no way of knowing it would lead to a threesome or sex at all. Kumiko also wasn't supposed to take the drug and she never ate anythng hunter gave her so she wasn't drugged to his knowing. Only reason anything happened in that scene at all is because of Catherine. I don't think Sterling has sex with anyone while he knows they were drugged
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And let's not forget, much earlier Kumiko got the gas treatment when checking Ophelia for the foot orgasm and she ended up finger banging her analy... without any concent.
And the vents, when they were having their little Q and A they were just going to 'how old are you?' 'if someone shoot me would you take the bullet?' then the vents happened and bam all sex questions.
And let's not forget, much earlier Kumiko got the gas treatment when checking Ophelia for the foot orgasm and she ended up finger banging her analy... without any concent.
I agree with you completely that Hunter is awful to the girls, but everything that makes him awful Sterling is also guilty of. Sterling does more on top of those things that are awful. That's likely because we get to see more of his behavior and thoughts but nonetheless we never get to see that from Hunter even in the NTRs. It's not that Hunter is 'good' by any means, it was just to counter the point that Sterling is a hero or a victim.
Honestly I don't think it's really a problem that he juggles the women as they do not really have a problem with it. It's that he thinks they will and so he lies to them to manipulate them. Also, he forces himself on some of them knowing that they're drugged, conceals the danger they're in for no good reason, and makes them feel guilty when they get mad at him for forcing himself on them. He has some of the most date-rapey lines to Brenna and Ophelia like he doesn't actually see what was wrong with what he did. He also lies about Catherine when he gets exposed.
Yeah, the problem, or more of a caution, I have with the writing is that it's morally inconsistent because of Sterling's hypocrisy. The only times I've seen that in games the author was setting you up.
Like the twist at the end is that you're the bad guy and it points out how horrible all the things you do for sex are. Trolling the degenerates. It's hinted at various times when they call out how horrible it would be if someone were to do a thing, but Sterling is doing all of those things, lol.Goodbye Eternity is the first game I can think of that trolled the player like this. Similarly you didn't even have a way around it. I'm not sure if this author is doing that, they may genuinely not think Sterling is messed up but it would be surprising because of how on the nose they call all the behavior out.
Yeah, it was missing context sorry. This train of thought started many pages ago. I do not think Hunter is genuine although it seems like the conclusion of chapter 12 is supposed to imply that.... What he does is completely messed up. The point was to compare someone that people were saying was sympathetic directly to someone that they know is messed up. They do the same things (manipulate girls into having sex with them), and we actually see Sterling doing worse although I'm sure Hunter would probably be just as bad.
The point is not that Hunter was good by any means, just that I do not see how people think Sterling is. But, you're right, I do not really think he is genuine, or even knows how to be.
I think they BOTH may believe that the ends justify the means. They have to force the girls but if they're happier in the end then it was a good thing... which is... yikes... but I can at least see that they may genuinely believe that. It's just that Sterling knows that Hunter is wrong so it condemns him while Hunter doesn't find anything wrong with what Sterling is doing and even encourages him. That's why Sterling ends up being a hypocrite on top of being awful while Hunter is just awful.
Right. Sterling had no idea the vents were doing anything until someone mentioned to him that it started making weird noises after hunter fixed the vents. The only time sterling had sex with anyone while they were drugged was when Sterling didn't know they were drugged. Like the scene with Flora where her and Ophelia drank some wine hunter gave them that Sterling didn't know about.
I still don't recall when Sterling was ever berated anyone other than when Lucia told him too.
What worse do we ever see Sterling do?
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you know steve rogers from captain america and bucky barns they have super soldier serum and they became bulk and change personality except for the brainwash thingy from bucky its like that for MC he is slowly becoming someone who he isn't xDAlright then you convinced me. As the hero of the story who has always loved the girls, Sterling should definitely be cut some slack
Edit: Also how dare the girls gawk at the new strapping young household member!! I dont give a shit if they were under the influence!! Brenna I frigging loved you, you damn whoreee!!!
...True, that! I was literally just referring to affection specifically. Sterling is ironically more "red pill-ish" about sex with them demeaning and dominating them. It was just in context of the idea that somehow Sterling has this deep romantic and special attachment to them when it never really shows up at all in how he treats them. He just says what any guy trying to seduce a girl would say but his actions are always him first and let the girls deal with the fallout. Hunter is objectively awful, but I don't see how people think Sterling is good.
Yeah! I felt like I was playing a different game too, lol. I played through an entire second time to see because I was only at about ch. 9 when I saw the conversation here that Brenna was treating Sterling poorly and I was shocked because Brenna seemed to treat him and everyone better than anyone else in the story. Everyone else it's hard to see around the drugs or their own personal desires, but Brenna frequently does things that just benefit Sterling and go against what she would want.
But, yeah, going through it again, Sterling definitely knows about the drugs and hormones. Warning, this will probably take long enough to get through for Ch 13 and GTA 6 to come out:
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This is all on top of the actual explicit things Sterling "this-is-my-chance" Archer
(he is based on that character, right?) did to her. All made worse by the knowing about Hunter's tampering and lying about it, like fingering her butt, trying to force her to give him a blow job, trying to get her to slip into sex and cumming inside her. He just really never does anything 'heroic' to her or that shows any care beyond she's his sister. He certainly doesn't hate her, but all of his activity towards her are just trying to have sex. He might be confused that that's love, but his actions make it clear he doesn't really care about her if it costs him anything.She's the best example because the others, Ophelia and Catherine especially, are pretty much equally self-centered through most of the story and don't really have anything bad actually happen to them. Brenna gets victimized the most, looks out for everyone else the most, and does the most things that actually are completely against her own best interest or just out of love for Sterling. Catherine being second in this in how she treats Brenna well overall, she's just obviously too immature and inexperienced to be around sex while drugged and probably really does not think that what she did to Brenna was wrong. So when people said Brenna was the bad guy and Sterling was the victim I was shocked like "are we really reading the same story?" That's why her relationship with him specifically was the focus. I would love to be wrong because I hate when I don't like the MC, but unless I'm missing some context on all this stuff or missed a chapter... he's kinda awful.
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That depends... Did you do the same thing as 3-4 years ago and use the patch linked in the OP that everyone here needs to use, even 3-4 years ago?
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