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VN Ren'Py Price of Power [Ch.25] [Pandaman Games]

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botc76

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Hm, after this rather heated comment, I feel kinda bad coming with some (small) criticism of my own.
I get that the MC and the girls have to learn a lot from Legacy, but some stuff, like a basic chemistry lesson, that is just absurdly boring if you already know what elements are.
Yes, Legacy's snarky tone and caustic humour makes it all a bit more entertaining than it would be, if it was completely dry, but it still is pretty boring.

It's your game, of course, but maybe you could cut back on that kind of content a bit, after all, you could just say that Legacy gave them basic knowledge of the elements and could then handle how they deal with that new knowledge in a few sentences.
This doesn't need to take up minutes of game time each occasion they learn something new.
 
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botc76 said:
It's your game, of course, but maybe you could cut back on that kind of content a bit, after all, you could just say that Legacy gave them basic knowledge of the elements and could then handle how they deal with that new knowledge in a few sentences.
This doesn't need to take up minutes of game time each occasion they learn something new.
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On the contrary please take those minutes. There is nothing I hate more in games than a fade to black when the MC, or in this casse Legacy, explain something to others what hapens or a concept and the player only backs in the story for the conclusion. It feals cheap and like some story telling potential is skipped. In this particular casse I can literaly feel the minds of the protagonists changing their perspectives from a theologist one to a more scientific one. At the very least I can see the seed of doubt toward their previous belifes taking shape. If that section was skipped and we only got told that it happened, we, the player, could not understand the actions of the characters in the future. We would question if those actions would make sense. In that sence Panda did Great with this section. And the power points to me are perfect for what the game needs to do on the time and budget it has. Plus It realy is hilarious.
 
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botc76 said:
Hm, after this rather heated comment, I feel kinda bad coming with some (small) criticism of my own.
I get that the MC and the girls have to learn a lot from Legacy, but some stuff, like a basic chemistry lesson, that is just absurdly boring if you already know what elements are.
Yes, Legacy's snarky tone and caustic humour makes it all a bit more entertaining than it would be, if it was completely dry, but it still is pretty boring.

It's your game, of course, but maybe you could cut back on that kind of content a bit, after all, you could just say that Legacy gave them basic knowledge of the elements and could then handle how they deal with that new knowledge in a few sentences.
This doesn't need to take up minutes of game time each occasion they learn something new.
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This is what I call reasonable feedback, where it's delivered respectfully, provides a rationale, and is providing an actual suggestion to make the game better. So I appreciate it and don't have any reason to be snarky towards you.
I considered fading to black for those sorts of conversation, but as knight_of_the_lance mentioned earlier, I think it would actually take away from the plot and character growth if these important conversations were skipped over. By playing out these specific moments, you can see the characters growing and questioning their old perspectives. Without this scene, I think it'd be jarring to have characters going from a four-elements perspectives straight to a modern, chemistry-based perspective within four lines. That's a gigantic shift in perspective and understanding. The point of the powerpoints (both past and future) isn't really the content of the presentations, but rather how the characters react and engage with the content. I'm not expecting anyone to actually learn anything from the presentations (though this is F95, so who knows), but the content is an important vehicle for character development. :geek:
 
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Great chapter as always, Pandaman Games ! I'm loving your game. Maria is such a babe! And Emilia is sweet too! Can't wait to see how MC and Maria will start a relationship with Emilia :)
 
botc76

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This is what I call reasonable feedback, where it's delivered respectfully, provides a rationale, and is providing an actual suggestion to make the game better. So I appreciate it and don't have any reason to be snarky towards you.
I considered fading to black for those sorts of conversation, but as knight_of_the_lance mentioned earlier, I think it would actually take away from the plot and character growth if these important conversations were skipped over. By playing out these specific moments, you can see the characters growing and questioning their old perspectives. Without this scene, I think it'd be jarring to have characters going from a four-elements perspectives straight to a modern, chemistry-based perspective within four lines. That's a gigantic shift in perspective and understanding. The point of the powerpoints (both past and future) isn't really the content of the presentations, but rather how the characters react and engage with the content. I'm not expecting anyone to actually learn anything from the presentations (though this is F95, so who knows), but the content is an important vehicle for character development. :geek:
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Well, I do still think this could be handled with just giving a short summary and THEN show how the characters' thinking has evolved, but I DO understand and accept your reasoning.
I will then just continue skipping this stuff, not like that kills me.

BTW, absolutely agree with you on how you deal with unreasonable attacks. Many devs either can't deal with ANY criticism at all and just ignore it or insult the critics, or they get really hurt by people who are unfairly going at them.
You do it the right way, which is something I've seen a few times from you by now, you deal rationally with people who make points they are concerned about, while giving the trolls a piece of their own medicine. Which is actually how many of the best devs handle this.
 
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botc76 said:
Well, I do still think this could be handled with just giving a short summary and THEN show how the characters' thinking has evolved, but I DO understand and accept your reasoning.
I will then just continue skipping this stuff, not like that kills me.
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TBH I love the scenes. Legacy's dry dark sense of humour really shines through on them, especially in how patronizing he is to the human cast. The game would be way less funny without Legacy's Vault-Tec style power points imo.
 
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botc76 said:
Well, I do still think this could be handled with just giving a short summary and THEN show how the characters' thinking has evolved, but I DO understand and accept your reasoning.
I will then just continue skipping this stuff, not like that kills me.

BTW, absolutely agree with you on how you deal with unreasonable attacks. Many devs either can't deal with ANY criticism at all and just ignore it or insult the critics, or they get really hurt by people who are unfairly going at them.
You do it the right way, which is something I've seen a few times from you by now, you deal rationally with people who make points they are concerned about, while giving the trolls a piece of their own medicine. Which is actually how many of the best devs handle this.
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Fair enough! Hopefully you enjoy the rest of the game, though. :)

In terms of thread management, I don't want to have to ridicule people or report off-topic comments - I'd rather everything go smoothly here. I think this is overall one of the best and most reasonable/respectful threads on the forum (I'm very biased TBF), so if someone shows up looking to go full idiot-mode here... I'm going to call them out (and mock them) with no remorse. :p I think that if people could just say whatever they wanted here without being called out, reported, etc., this thread would just devolve into "wHeRe is NtR c0nTEnt", political shit, etc. Even if I come off looking overly strict or like I'm mocking people for fun (which, tbf, countertrolling can be fun), it's better than the alternative of good feedback and reasonable discussions being drowned out by off-topic BS.
 
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botc76 said:
Well, I do still think this could be handled with just giving a short summary and THEN show how the characters' thinking has evolved, but I DO understand and accept your reasoning.
I will then just continue skipping this stuff, not like that kills me.

BTW, absolutely agree with you on how you deal with unreasonable attacks. Many devs either can't deal with ANY criticism at all and just ignore it or insult the critics, or they get really hurt by people who are unfairly going at them.
You do it the right way, which is something I've seen a few times from you by now, you deal rationally with people who make points they are concerned about, while giving the trolls a piece of their own medicine. Which is actually how many of the best devs handle this.
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Why would you skip Legacy's powerpoint presentations? He is your friend, remember? Maybe he should have insisted on that particular point after all :BootyTime:
 
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Short answer: No, Maria is the main LI and is mandatory.

Long answer: So if a woman who's falling in love with you doesn't immediately want to share you with other women, they're pathetic and insecure? SMH. Jealousy is a normal reaction in her situation. I try to write the characters in a reasonable and realistic way, which means they have flaws, make mistakes, etc. If you're looking for a game where the main LI throws you at other women because they're a cuckquean whose sole goal in life is to get the MC laid with every woman in the world, this definitely isn't that game. :p
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assuming the other LI for MC is emilia...for now at least there np other girl that i'm aware of...so is this the harem tagpop up during a choice? if yes and onlky emilia would be better tag 3some..if it exist. i'm a bit disappointed by this update..was pretty boring and not fun at all...hope some action (and more sex come in the future updates...how many chapter do you planned?thanks
 
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indio68 said:
assuming the other LI for MC is emilia...for now at least there np other girl that i'm aware of...so is this the harem tagpop up during a choice? if yes and onlky emilia would be better tag 3some..if it exist. i'm a bit disappointed by this update..was pretty boring and not fun at all...hope some action (and more sex come in the future updates...how many chapter do you planned?thanks
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There are two other LIs that will be introduced in Chapter 14 (which I'm working on now). Three total romance paths are planned - Maria-only, Emilia + Maria, and harem. Too bad you didn't enjoy the update, though I think there's plenty of sex given the story and what I'm trying to do. :) What made it "boring and not fun at all"?
 
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