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vastary

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I am not so sure your assertion holds water. Many of the top projects are bringing in $2,000-$12,000 per month on Patreon despite the fact they are all available here, in their entirety. There simply is no validity to the arguments that games being posted here diminishes the revenue over-all, because they find exposure to a vastly larger audience of potential patrons than they would otherwise and there are always plenty of people that happy to support QUALITY projects. Clearly, making no money has far more to do with a lack of quality or, broad enough appeal, than it does with availability.
Paywalls simply never work - Any measured comparison of the revenue streams bares that conclusion.

Having said that, however, I do agree with your thesis even though the assertion used to validate said thesis is flawed. Complaining about such things is pointless, and people should simply ignore something if it does not, for any reason, appeal to them.
I agree, you put a paywall in front of content you're not confident enough with to expect donation in return. So you just take the money before showing the product.
Or else,
Because you know very well you and your project are loose ends and you try to get as much money as possible before it's to much obvious.
 

Mustang Flex

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Ugh, I'm not an active paying Patreon and can still access the content. All checks are performed on the client side. Grab any Unity engine cheat tool, for example Cheat Engine and patch all access checks. Voila, content can be downloaded and played. But it's not worth it. The style is very inconsistent, the textures low and most of the stuff is not completed. Especially the menu in some scenes like the swimming pool with the milk machine. You can customize the character but only in a very simple way like switching horns on/off.

I would've recommended the developer of this game to focus on quality rather than quantity first. Start with one animal type. Make it perfect and then move on with another scene. But since i'm just a pirate and not an active paying Patreon I just move on to the next game, not a big deal.
You sir, are a scholar and a gentleman. At least now we know for certain what we're dealing with given the free content just isn't enough to make a judgment call about if the game's worth essentially buying a subscription for.
 
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I am not so sure your assertion holds water. Many of the top projects are bringing in $2,000-$12,000 per month on Patreon despite the fact they are all available here, in their entirety. There simply is no validity to the arguments that games being posted here diminishes the revenue over-all, because they find exposure to a vastly larger audience of potential patrons than they would otherwise and there are always plenty of people that happy to support QUALITY projects. Clearly, making no money has far more to do with a lack of quality or, broad enough appeal, than it does with availability.
Paywalls simply never work - Any measured comparison of the revenue streams bares that conclusion.
I support one of my favorite games on patreon precisely BECAUSE there is no paywall. I've paid more in my monthly subscription for a free game I like over the last year than I do for most brand-name titles. I don't even get any real patreon rewards for it.
 
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Having said that, however, I do agree with your thesis even though the assertion used to validate said thesis is flawed. Complaining about such things is pointless, and people should simply ignore something if it does not, for any reason, appeal to them.
"If you don't like something, just ignore it. Voicing your opinion on business models is pointless" - Jove76
 

Cansuuur

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Weird beating a dead horse, but I do agree with most statements made, Paywalls don't work if there is no content to be had. I've supported a lot of creators on Patreon, and hell I've donated games to F95 for all to enjoy. And when I did, you can see a palpable increase in Patreons. Because they liked the content and go support it. While yes some of us might not, most of us want a say in the direction of games, since most creators give incentives to be a Patreon, things like what road to take, or extra screenshots from the game. But those games are also solid at their core, and aren't limiting content just because you didn't take the $200 premium supporter bonus.
This game falls short because the core of what we want from it isn't there to begin with so why would we support it. Not saying it can't or isn't good. But we just wouldn't know that from what we are given.
 

Jove76

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"If you don't like something, just ignore it. Voicing your opinion on business models is pointless" - Jove76
To re-frame someone's words, or make up your own, and then attribute said invention as a direct quote by someone else, is called "libel", in a print medium. It is also just plain condescending of you to assume anyone requires you to "translate" what I said for them. People are perfectly capable of reaching their own conclusions, without you determining it for them. Shall we keep playing?
 
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vastary

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To re-frame someone's words, or make up your own, and then attribute said invention as a direct quote by someone else, is called "libel", in a print medium. It is also just plain condescending of you to assume anyone requires you to "translate" what I said for them. People are perfectly capable of reaching their own conclusions, without you determining it for them. Shall we keep playing?
Despite the fact that you are mostly true, I think you give to much credit to human being and forget that at least 80% of us can't determine good choices on their own, aren't smart and reasonable as you probably are and don't think that much really. So in a way giving your feedback is usefull for creator and consumer, if it isn't, well everybody now know all this mascarade is a scam.

In other words, ''If you don't like something, just ignore it.'' is good to bring tolerance to the society and preserve your own sanity but isn't good if you actively want to expose something, shaddy or not

When you're open minded and empathize with people, you take in consideration your opinion will be seen as useless as it is usefull for some others while some other will just don't care and don't read anything at all.
 
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Jove76

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Despite the fact that you are mostly true, I think you give to much credit to human being and forget that at least 80% of us can't determine good choices on their own, aren't smart and reasonable as you probably are and don't think that much really. So in a way giving your feedback is usefull for creator and consumer, if it isn't, well everybody now know all this mascarade is a scam.

In other words, ''If you don't like something, just ignore it.'' is good to bring tolerance to the society and preserve your own sanity but isn't good if you actively want to expose something, shaddy or not

When you're open minded and empathize with people, you take in consideration your opinion will be seen as useless as it is usefull for some others while some other will just don't care and don't read anything at all.
I wouldn't disagree with any of that. Perhaps my position was misinterpreted a bit. I would not assert that no good can come from changing things which could or should be improved, but it is a matter of "picking one's battles". We do not walk in a sushi restaurant and proudly state "I hate fish" or "your prices are too high". We simply walk passed it, and find a more suitable location to dine on the food we prefer. We vote in many ways, every day, with our wallets. Not supporting a project, in any market but especially one like this which is entirely built on patron support, is in itself a statement. Is any good really created by those who write two hour reviews of the reasons they gave a game 1-star? Most likely not, I think.

So my position on that issue is more rooted in "find something more constructive or at least entertaining for yourself to be doing. Find a project you love, play it and support it, rather than devoting so much energy to critiques on those that may not suit you at all." Support for what one likes, is indirectly a vote against all things which one dislikes.
 
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DigDug69

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So my position on that issue is more rooted in "find something more constructive or at least entertaining for yourself to be doing. Find a project you love, play it and support it, rather than devoting so much energy to critiques on those that may not suit you at all." Support for what one likes, is indirectly a vote against all things which one dislikes.
I agree 100%. I have been reading the comments about this game on and off for a while now, and there are an amazing number of times that the same people who had previously stated that they hated the game or the paywall have restated it with each new release.

We get it, the dev gets it, they hate how he is doing things, they made their point and now it is time for those people to move on and find something else to play.
 
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To re-frame someone's words, or make up your own, and then attribute said invention as a direct quote by someone else, is called "libel", in a print medium. It is also just plain condescending of you to assume anyone requires you to "translate" what I said for them. People are perfectly capable of reaching their own conclusions, without you determining it for them. Shall we keep playing?
The only person I was quoting the words for was you. I rephrased what you said in a hyperbolic manner in an attempt for you to see how ridiculous your statement was. Clearly that went over your head. The idea that you should not voice complaints with the business model of a commercial product is laughable to me.

Also libel requires proof of personal injury directly caused by the statement, as well in many states malice or ill-intent must also be proven. A random post on an anonymous adult games forum is far from libel, don't go throwing around legal terms you don't understand.
 

Jove76

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The only person I was quoting the words for was you. I rephrased what you said in a hyperbolic manner in an attempt for you to see how ridiculous your statement was. Clearly that went over your head. The idea that you should not voice complaints with the business model of a commercial product is laughable to me.

Also libel requires proof of personal injury directly caused by the statement, as well in many states malice or ill-intent must also be proven. A random post on an anonymous adult games forum is far from libel, don't go throwing around legal terms you don't understand.
Thank you for the refresher-course in communicating with low-EQ diversionary tactics. Clearly your opinions are far too righteous to be penetrated by my feeble mind. Please consider yourself victorious.
 

Cansuuur

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How did us talking about how bad this game was as far as inclusion of content and about how we felt about this game on a forum to give feedback to the game come to talks about philosophical shit and assumed personal attacks? The idea of having a forum discussion is to talk about the game and how we feel give our unadulterated opinions. Otherwise why even have the forum. It could just be a link to the download and info about the game. So can we actually use the forum for its purpose, and stop digging at each other for some fucking internet brownie points. We all came here to play adult games and enjoy ourselves, just be civil about it.
The game is some garbage, not that it couldn't be good. And that's why people are voicing their opinion. If the chick-fil-a you go to everyday overcooked your sandwich, you'd complain. If you wanted to shop at a neighboring store and their shelves were always empty when you came in, you'd complain. While the complaint is probably not warranted or even considered, you would still like to be heard because you care.
Oh and you don't have to reply to someone just because they @'ed you. :^] Have a nice day mentlegen.
 
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Thank you for the refresher-course in communicating with low-EQ diversionary tactics. Clearly your opinions are far too righteous to be penetrated by my feeble mind. Please consider yourself victorious.
I've never seen 'you're just using diversionary tactics' used as a response to avoid talking about a clearly stated opinion on a point before. Also my line about "clearly going over your head" was sarcastic mocking of the comical attitude you had in to my post. Funny you accuse me of having low emotional intelligence yet you failed to realize that.
 
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Oh and you don't have to reply to someone just because they @'ed you. :^] Have a nice day mentlegen.
But you make it sound so tempting.... I'm going to have to do some reading on reverse psychology.

Also I can't imagine a better place to discuss philosophy than the thread of bestiality game on a porn forum. Clearly only the best ideas get generated here.
 
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vastary

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But you make it sound so tempting.... I'm going to have to do some reading on reverse psychology.

Also I can't imagine a better place to discuss philosophy than the thread of bestiality game on a porn forum. Clearly only the best ideas get generated here.
Scuse me sir but you look short on the sides
 
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