clowns234

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Hmm, agree that Patreon's indication to Zorlun (the dev) that any reference to family link, even "step-mother" or "step-mother", would have been considered incest and brought to a ban of his account, is a completely off the scale interpretation. Effectively, even by USA legal standards, if there is the "step", which means no blood link, there cannot be incest.
A known Hollywood director ended up having a relationship with the younger women he and his wife had adopted - no blood link, no incest.
About the cousins, though, I am not sure at what level you are talking about, but I know at least one country, not USA, that consider first degree cousins with a blood link as still being incest (notice the "first degree by blood", though, second degree, is already OK).

For the rest, yep, if you allow a comment from far away, for the country that AFAIK still has the biggest porn industry by turnover in the World, and in which teenagers (and I mean below 18) with kids are not the most diffused thing, but far from a rarity, is funny trying to pretend that people below 18 cannot be physically developed enough to have sexual urges and sexual activity.
Whether they are mature enough mentally and emotionally, is a different matter, but for that, there are even people in their 40s for whom the first description coming to mind is not "mature" :).
Puberty can be a risky period from that point of view, but you don't avoid a risk by pretending it does not exist.

About the "statutory rape", AFAIK is a bit more messy.
Most countries seem to have eliminated, or never had, "statutory rape" (one above 18, another below, is automatically rape, in practice was meant to protect girls from "predators' and AFAIK enforced basically only when the above 18 was a man), while in parallel, the most diffused age of consent in the World is 14-17yo (but there are others).

I gave a look, and it seem in USA is really a mess :) Basically, if two adolescents are romatically involved, before they move beyond kissing, they'd better get a specialised lawyer consultation :)

The age of consent varies in theory between 16 and 18, but when you cross with "statutory rape" (a term apparently in USA they do not like, so they use different ways to call it), it is even more messy.

The situation varies from the "if the older one is not in a position of power over the younger one, it's ok if there is age of consent"; to cases where it seems if one manages to get a lawful marriage (? with legal guardians/parents consent, maybe ?) in reality they may accept even an age for one of the two below the age of consent (?); or a state where a 14 year old could have sex with a 18-19 year old being still considered in the limits of the law, although the age of consent in that state is 16, but only if the older one has not solicited the sexual activity; to a State where any sexual intercours with someone below 18 is illegal, unless they are married, even if both are under 18 and are in full agreement, though in that case classed as misdemeanor; in another state, apparently age of consent is 16, but then a 13yo can consent to a 15yo, and a 12yo can consent to a 13yo (?), and age of consent becomes 18 if the older person is in some positions (tutor, coach, authority above the younger, etc.).
Yea, in America, the legal age of consent differs from state to state and whether you are male or female. There is also typically a range in affect, i.e. a 21 year old male can have sex with a 16 year old female but if the male turns 22 before the female turns 17, the sex is now illegal because the age gap is now greater than 5 years (as an example). In some states, parents can marry off their 13 or 14 year old daughter to any 30+ male they deem worthy. Certain religious offshoots (cults?) are known for this.
There have been teachers (typically female) who have gone to prison for having sex with students, even when the student is 18 or over.
Arbitrary numbers pushed onto us by a puritan minority.
 

k4231749

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For those who want to know more about what will happen with Marc this chapter: Marc will start by being away (as will show this update), Myriam will enter then a custody battle with Anthony (he is the father, but kind of unfit to be as the chapter will show), so Marc will for starter in this chapter only appear via the school (Anthony is far too lazy to move him to another school).
Haven't started playing the 3.01 yet,if may ask,when Marc come back Myriam’s home,they can "officially" start the relationship?Did Anthony have a chance to have sex with Myriam again?
 
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According to what dev said after the last update, there are going to be three lesbian routes with different kinds of D/s flavor: MMA girl (equal relationship), Nubia (dom), and office girl (sub). Eve is teased, but sadly not going to happen. Doubly so as it concerns g/g incest with the daughter. Blame bloody Americans for shoving their odd notions of what incest is and prudish sexual standards down the throats of the rest of the world as usual. Cousin marriage is legal in most of the world and has been normal through the vast majority of recorded history.
Again, fuck Patreon
 

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I got no issue with Lesbian kink. I only wish there was a Lesbian only tag if you are interested in a mix instead of only lesbian content. Most descriptions inlcude if it is only Lesbian, but a few dont and you dont really clue in until you are a bit further into the game.
 
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michelita

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Shit. I was a subscribestar supporter until a few weeks ago when it became clear to me there would be no more incest content.

I was under the impression this would continue via patch but since I'm an ignorant and inconsiderate twat when it comes to how difficult it actually is to reinstate such content in the game, I followed Zorlun's suggestion and unsubbed out of dissapointment.
I am not hopeful for a patch to appear so I'm now clinging to the idea Zorlun stated that once enough people move from patreon to subscribestar it will allow the freedom needed to make the game as intented by the developer.

I'm sad to see this hasn't happened yet but it seems to be getting there (sub ratio is about 2-1 still for patreon). I plan to support the game again on SS. This game upates once a month which is remarkable and the improving quality is the cherry on top. I hope more ppl do the same so we can get the game we all want.
 

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Shit. I was a subscribestar supporter until a few weeks ago when it became clear to me there would be no more incest content.

I was under the impression this would continue via patch but since I'm an ignorant and inconsiderate twat when it comes to how difficult it actually is to reinstate such content in the game, I followed Zorlun's suggestion and unsubbed out of dissapointment.
I am not hopeful for a patch to appear so I'm now clinging to the idea Zorlun stated that once enough people move from patreon to subscribestar it will allow the freedom needed to make the game as intented by the developer.

I'm sad to see this hasn't happened yet but it seems to be getting there (sub ratio is about 2-1 still for patreon). I plan to support the game again on SS. This game upates once a month which is remarkable and the improving quality is the cherry on top. I hope more ppl do the same so we can get the game we all want.
wait what!?
I thought incest content will continue on Subscribestar and F95
thats so disappointing
 
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A few mods for this marvellous game :sneaky:

Save Naming
(Game version: 2.08 - Compatible with later versions)
Add the possibility to name your save (it's optional). You can use the keyboard to validate the name (Enter/Return) or cancel (Escape, Right Click).
It also slightly improves visual in preferences screen.
Install: Unzip save_name.2.zip in "game" folder.

Grouped Notifications
(Game version: 2.08 - Probably compatible with later versions)
Instead of displaying notifications one by one, they'll be displayed at the same time. The more lines, the longer it stays on the screen.
For some reasons I can't figure out, sometimes the notif alert doesn't hide itself. If it happens, just hover the mouse over the notif alert.
Install: Unzip grouped_notif.2.zip in "game" folder.

Cheats
(Game version: 2.08 - Don't use with later versions)
Add the possibility to manually modify Traits, Kinks and Affection values (click on trait/kink/character in their respective lists using the top left icon).
Install: Unzip cheats.4.zip in "game" folder.

Another Gallery
(Game version: 2.07 - Compatible with later versions - but without new scenes until I update the mod)
Yes I know a gallery mod already exists but I wanted to try something.
- Thumbnails in a scrollable grid (I hate "page" galleries)
- A lot of thumbnails displayed at screen
- Unlockable
- Filters (one for type of scene and one for characters). If you select a character, you can see its bio by hovering the character filter after you have selected one. Note you can exit dropdown list by right-clicking.
Install: Unzip gallery.4.zip in "game" folder.

Dialox Box Opacity
(Game version: 2.08 - Compatible with later versions)
Give you the possibility to adjust the dialog box opacity in Preferences screen.
!!! This mod is incompatible with Walkthrough Mod (which already have this feature) !!!
Install: Unzip dialogbox_opacity.zip in "game" folder.

Use old saves with new 2.07
(Game version: 2.07 - No use for later versions)

Can still be used if you load a save from 2.06.

Give you the possibility to use old saves with the new 2.07 version of the game.

After loading your old saves, you can delete files use_old_save.rpy/.rpyc you'll find in "game/bibifoc" folder. It is not an obligation.

Install: Unzip use_old_save.2.zip in "game" folder.


If I made mistakes (especially in english) or if you have an idea for improvement, you're welcome.

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Will the cheats mod be updated for the newest release?
 

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Shit. I was a subscribestar supporter until a few weeks ago when it became clear to me there would be no more incest content.

I was under the impression this would continue via patch but since I'm an ignorant and inconsiderate twat when it comes to how difficult it actually is to reinstate such content in the game, I followed Zorlun's suggestion and unsubbed out of dissapointment.
I am not hopeful for a patch to appear so I'm now clinging to the idea Zorlun stated that once enough people move from patreon to subscribestar it will allow the freedom needed to make the game as intented by the developer.

I'm sad to see this hasn't happened yet but it seems to be getting there (sub ratio is about 2-1 still for patreon). I plan to support the game again on SS. This game upates once a month which is remarkable and the improving quality is the cherry on top. I hope more ppl do the same so we can get the game we all want.
If thats the case, hope it happens soon then.
also, i wonder if zorlun will restart the updates from the point of divergence again if he does end up doing that
 
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Zorlun

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I'm mad if there's no consensual marital sex with Anthony in the future.
From the start I kept saying that Anthony was written as a caricatural piece of shit destined to oblivion, he always was supposed to be the first wall Myriam had to climb to be free.
So no, no happy marital sex with Anthony (even more so since he's definitely kicked out at the end of chapter 2), but some happy consensual couple sex there will be, FM or FF.
wait what!?
I thought incest content will continue on Subscribestar and F95
thats so disappointing
I like the new hair and new model...
I love this game... but I think I will stop subscribing
I said again and again since the trouble with Patreon, I changed the family setting to Myriam and Anthony not married and Myriam not the mother of Marc, I can't do two different games at the same time, the events would differ, and it would become hell for me to do write the game as I go on, with two different set of events happening (and I won't keep jumping back from a setting to another, what is done is done).
For the bestiality is just easier since it doesn't change the story, it happen or not, it's just that simple, it's not the case for the family setting and the incest.
But really, it's just a tag, all the events you liked with Marc are still there, and there will be more of them, just with the actual setting is all.

Though this setting made me think of a strange fetish there could be between them now with a "fake" incest, Marc wanting to call Myriam mom even so she isn't (anymore) and her calling him son, giving a virtual incestious feel to their relationship, incest becoming a "kink" for the character themselves. ^^
It's just an idea for now, but it could be funny, though the question is, would it fly with Patreon...
 

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From the start I kept saying that Anthony was written as a caricatural piece of shit destined to oblivion, he always was supposed to be the first wall Myriam had to climb to be free.
So no, no happy marital sex with Anthony (even more so since he's definitely kicked out at the end of chapter 2), but some happy consensual couple sex there will be, FM or FF.

I said again and again since the trouble with Patreon, I changed the family setting to Myriam and Anthony not married and Myriam not the mother of Marc, I can't do two different games at the same time, the events would differ, and it would become hell for me to do write the game as I go on, with two different set of events happening (and I won't keep jumping back from a setting to another, what is done is done).
For the bestiality is just easier since it doesn't change the story, it happen or not, it's just that simple, it's not the case for the family setting and the incest.
But really, it's just a tag, all the events you liked with Marc are still there, and there will be more of them, just with the actual setting is all.

Though this setting made me think of a strange fetish there could be between them now with a "fake" incest, Marc wanting to call Myriam mom even so she isn't (anymore) and her calling him son, giving a virtual incestious feel to their relationship, incest becoming a "kink" for the character themselves. ^^
It's just an idea for now, but it could be funny, though the question is, would it fly with Patreon...
I will miss Anthony I ain't gonna lie, but as long as there is a character to break her sub ass and have her say thank you after (maybe bark too what the hell lol) I will be happy.

As for the "fake" incest, I seriously doubt patreon will be ok with it. Sadly you can't please everyone atm but I respect that you are trying and I love the vn so Thanks again.

Can not wait to play the latest update :love:
 
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clowns234

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Though this setting made me think of a strange fetish there could be between them now with a "fake" incest, Marc wanting to call Myriam mom even so she isn't (anymore) and her calling him son, giving a virtual incestious feel to their relationship, incest becoming a "kink" for the character themselves. ^^
It's just an idea for now, but it could be funny, though the question is, would it fly with Patreon...
From what I understand, Marc can't call Myriam 'Mom' under any circumstances per patreon.
These are Patreon's rules. They are not legally required to be this strict but because they have gotten a lot of pressure from other companies, they are. It always comes back to money.
 

k4231749

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From the start I kept saying that Anthony was written as a caricatural piece of shit destined to oblivion, he always was supposed to be the first wall Myriam had to climb to be free.
So no, no happy marital sex with Anthony (even more so since he's definitely kicked out at the end of chapter 2), but some happy consensual couple sex there will be, FM or FF.

I said again and again since the trouble with Patreon, I changed the family setting to Myriam and Anthony not married and Myriam not the mother of Marc, I can't do two different games at the same time, the events would differ, and it would become hell for me to do write the game as I go on, with two different set of events happening (and I won't keep jumping back from a setting to another, what is done is done).
For the bestiality is just easier since it doesn't change the story, it happen or not, it's just that simple, it's not the case for the family setting and the incest.
But really, it's just a tag, all the events you liked with Marc are still there, and there will be more of them, just with the actual setting is all.

Though this setting made me think of a strange fetish there could be between them now with a "fake" incest, Marc wanting to call Myriam mom even so she isn't (anymore) and her calling him son, giving a virtual incestious feel to their relationship, incest becoming a "kink" for the character themselves. ^^
It's just an idea for now, but it could be funny, though the question is, would it fly with Patreon...
"Fake" incest is a great pity for me.Game become weird,especially after some excellent “incest” version before.But I completely understand your change about “incest” kink.Maybe call "Mom"and “son” again,can make it better.
And Anthony is gone ,Who will take over Myriam's Submissive kink to rule her life?
 
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From the start I kept saying that Anthony was written as a caricatural piece of shit destined to oblivion, he always was supposed to be the first wall Myriam had to climb to be free.
So no, no happy marital sex with Anthony (even more so since he's definitely kicked out at the end of chapter 2), but some happy consensual couple sex there will be, FM or FF.

I said again and again since the trouble with Patreon, I changed the family setting to Myriam and Anthony not married and Myriam not the mother of Marc, I can't do two different games at the same time, the events would differ, and it would become hell for me to do write the game as I go on, with two different set of events happening (and I won't keep jumping back from a setting to another, what is done is done).
For the bestiality is just easier since it doesn't change the story, it happen or not, it's just that simple, it's not the case for the family setting and the incest.
But really, it's just a tag, all the events you liked with Marc are still there, and there will be more of them, just with the actual setting is all.

Though this setting made me think of a strange fetish there could be between them now with a "fake" incest, Marc wanting to call Myriam mom even so she isn't (anymore) and her calling him son, giving a virtual incestious feel to their relationship, incest becoming a "kink" for the character themselves. ^^
It's just an idea for now, but it could be funny, though the question is, would it fly with Patreon...
Have you ever thought about letting players customize the relationship between NPCs?
like the "tenant" "landlady" that kind of thing:LOL:
so you dont have to worry about Patreon and do two different games... maybe? (besides bestiality)

and sorry i have a misunderstanding
i thought there no more Marc content in future.
just really hate because the Patreon shit, forcing you to delete content that attracted players
I think I will keep subscribe and support your game
btw amazing update as always
 

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Will the cheats mod be updated for the newest release?
It will for the last patched version. But as I said previously, you can use the current cheat mod if you really want. It will only lack bio of new characters (if there are new characters of course).
 
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