VN Ren'Py Project Myriam - Life and Explorations [Ch. 5.04a] [Zorlun]

[Snugglepuff]

Yes, Zorlun did say that. But he has said several times since then that a threesome between Myriam, Katherine, and either William or Jenny (depending on player choice) is planned for the future.

So no, I am not wrong. I am right. He is wrong, and so are you.

Even the post which you quoted from Zorlun references the triangular relationship between Myriam, Katherine, and William or Jenny. And Zorlun has already stated that it will include "naughty scenes" (His words, not mine.) between the three of them.

Here is a link to one of my earlier posts, in which I quote five separate posts of Zorlun's, in which he confirms that Myriam and Katherine will be involved in a threesome.

The point just flew straight over your head, didn't it? Like an idiot, you jumped in on someone's post, completely ignoring the context of it.
Katherine and Myriam will not be engaging in sexual activities with eachother. They will not engage in incest.
That is what RC-1138 Boss was saying. He did not say that they wouldn't be involved with mutual partners, including at the same time and in the same place, but there will be no mother-daughter sex.

So again, you are wrong.

 

[RC-1138 Boss]

The point just flew straight over your head, didn't it? Like an idiot, you jumped in on someone's post, completely ignoring the context of it.
Katherine and Myriam will not be engaging in sexual activities with eachother. They will not engage in incest.
That is what RC-1138 Boss was saying. He did not say that they wouldn't be involved with mutual partners, including at the same time and in the same place, but there will be no mother-daughter sex.

So again, you are wrong.

It always amaze me the gall of some people to believe they know more about a game development than the developers themselves.

 

[TheLecher]

The point just flew straight over your head, didn't it? Like an idiot, you jumped in on someone's post, completely ignoring the context of it.
Katherine and Myriam will not be engaging in sexual activities with eachother. They will not engage in incest.
That is what RC-1138 Boss was saying. He did not say that they wouldn't be involved with mutual partners, including at the same time and in the same place, but there will be no mother-daughter sex.

So again, you are wrong.

Did you even read Zorlun's posts which I linked? He has absolutely left the door open for sexual contact between Myriam and Katherine, though he hasn't explicitly guaranteed that it will happen.

Let me also point out that Zorlun clearly stated that just having Myriam and Katherine in the same room while either one of them is engaged in sexual activity has been expressly forbidden to him by Patreon. So if he's clearly stated that he's considering the possibility of threesome scenes, then it would have to be included in a patch outside of the Patreon release, whether or not Myriam and Katherine ever had direct sexual contact with each other. And if he's going to go to the trouble of including something like that in patched content, then it's not a stretch to suppose that he might also include sexual contact between the two of them, particularly when he's clearly left that option open in his posts in this thread.

So, again, I am not wrong. I am right, at least insofar as Zorlun has thus far revealed.

It always amaze me the gall of some people to believe they know more about a game development than the developers themselves.

Since my comment was clearly based on posts made by the developer - posts for which I have provided links - it's obvious that I don't believe anything of the sort. Just like it's also obvious that you are clearly trying to gaslight everyone in this thread, in order to support your statement.

And, since you are choosing to ignore statements made by the developer, in order to stubbornly stick to your position, it seems to me that you're the one who is being presumptuous. You should recognize that the developer knows more about his plans for the game than you do.

 

[Snugglepuff]

Did you even read Zorlun's posts which I linked? He has absolutely left the door open for sexual contact between Myriam and Katherine

I read the posts you linked, and they support what I and RC-1138 Boss said. There's also these posts to prove it.

ONE
- For now I'm at the bestiality will have to go and I'm trying to see how I can change the Myriam/Marc relation, but as of now, any family link, blood or not, is impossible, so my last attempt is "friend of the family" with Katherine being her daughter (so there will be no incest in the future with her) and Marc as Anthony's son, with Anthony and Myriam not being married. All this would mean some rewrite which could make me a bit late for my update this month.

TWO
- The main character is Myriam, every other character serve in the game as a tool to explore a side of Myriam or kinks in general, Katherine purpose is to explore the motherhood side of Myriam and also have a parallel with her own teenagers years and discovery of sexuality.

THREE
- Nothing changed with Myriam/Katherine, they were never meant to hooks up like with Marc, the only possibilities between them will come from some eventual triangular relationships.
Each secondary character is meant to develop/explore a side or kink of Myriam, Myriam and Katherine is really here for the motherly side of Myriam and the parallel to her own teenager years.

FOUR
- If there will be some potential naughty scenes or moment with Eve (like in first update of chapter 3) or with Katherine (potential triangular relationship with William), but no pure incest road with them.

FIVE
- For Katherine it will all depend of her orientation, she will have a few possibilities between men and women, with Myriam being an influence towards who she'll go, man or woman (depending on orientation).

There's more like that, but they all either categorically state or reinforce that there will be no incest between Katherine and Myriam, and there was never going to be.
So, once more with feeling... YOU'RE WRONG!!!!!!!!

 

[Zorlun]

Everybody should cool their jets, because everyone is right and wrong at the same time, but it's kind of my fault, yes no pure incest road between Myriam and Katherine, so point here for one side, but yes I had in mind some triangular relationship scene (meaning sex) with Myriam, Katherine and William or Jenny, so point to the other side as well.

I don't want to give too much spoiler for the scene, but the third element will be the connection between the two, meaning the scene will not be about having an incest element between the two, but the two having a tender moment with the third element together (not very clear here again, sorry ^^ ). It will take some time to be built up, as it needs to be brought right, it won't be about having a fuck fest, but about again Myriam's love for her daughter (I know it could feel hypocritical with my argument for no straight Myriam/Katherine, but I just don't want to spoil the scene).

So, no need to fight over this, like I said, it's kind of my fault for always trying to stay vague about it and not give too much spoiler, as well as trying to avoid Patreon's ire as well, there won't be anything between them in the scene, but I'm not sure that'll be enough for them, so nothing set in stone for now (meaning I want to make the scene, but I have to make sure it'll be possible before, if not, I'll turn that another way and keep everyone informed).

After that, there is also the fact that, the game evolve and I with it, some ideas I had before and wanted to put in won't happen and some I didn't have before will, nothing is really set in stone, I always try my best to stay consistent, but I can't deny that I'm only human and happen to change my mind some times (though about the Myriam/Katherine relationship I'm staying quite firm on it ^^ ).

Sorry again if I'm not very clear, I'm trying to explain without giving too much spoiler, but in any way, thank you for the passion for the game and the love for its characters.

 

[b4dcrc]

Everybody should cool their jets, because everyone is right and wrong at the same time, but it's kind of my fault, yes no pure incest road between Myriam and Katherine, so point here for one side, but yes I had in mind some triangular relationship scene (meaning sex) with Myriam, Katherine and William or Jenny, so point to the other side as well.

I don't want to give too much spoiler for the scene, but the third element will be the connection between the two, meaning the scene will not be about having an incest element between the two, but the two having a tender moment with the third element together (not very clear here again, sorry ^^ ). It will take some time to be built up, as it needs to be brought right, it won't be about having a fuck fest, but about again Myriam's love for her daughter (I know it could feel hypocritical with my argument for no straight Myriam/Katherine, but I just don't want to spoil the scene).

So, no need to fight over this, like I said, it's kind of my fault for always trying to stay vague about it and not give too much spoiler, as well as trying to avoid Patreon's ire as well, there won't be anything between them in the scene, but I'm not sure that'll be enough for them, so nothing set in stone for now (meaning I want to make the scene, but I have to make sure it'll be possible before, if not, I'll turn that another way and keep everyone informed).

After that, there is also the fact that, the game evolve and I with it, some ideas I had before and wanted to put in won't happen and some I didn't have before will, nothing is really set in stone, I always try my best to stay consistent, but I can't deny that I'm only human and happen to change my mind some times (though about the Myriam/Katherine relationship I'm staying quite firm on it ^^ ).

Sorry again if I'm not very clear, I'm trying to explain without giving too much spoiler, but in any way, thank you for the passion for the game and the love for its characters.

Out of curiousity since I find the game quite interesting so far. Will the bestiality aspect be completely gone forever due to patreon? I think it would have been an interesting aspect to explore with Kathrine and possibly other characters as well, since Cassius has learned that he is allowed to do everything with Myriam he might have started to take an interest in Kathrine as well (with her possibly being influenced to explore that side).

 

[Snugglepuff]

Out of curiousity since I find the game quite interesting so far. Will the bestiality aspect be completely gone forever due to patreon? I think it would have been an interesting aspect to explore with Kathrine and possibly other characters as well, since Cassius has learned that he is allowed to do everything with Myriam he might have started to take an interest in Kathrine as well (with her possibly being influenced to explore that side).

In all Patreon versions, yes... Versions that have the Prometheus Patch, will have bestiality included.

 

[Kassan06969]

I was talking about the VN game "Deliverance". But yea, that was a killer movie with Jon Voight, Burt Reynolds, Ned Beatty.

Yeah, I meant the game was awesome.

 

[Ricky Smith]

I read the posts you linked, and they support what I and RC-1138 Boss said. There's also these posts to prove it.

ONE
- For now I'm at the bestiality will have to go and I'm trying to see how I can change the Myriam/Marc relation, but as of now, any family link, blood or not, is impossible, so my last attempt is "friend of the family" with Katherine being her daughter (so there will be no incest in the future with her) and Marc as Anthony's son, with Anthony and Myriam not being married. All this would mean some rewrite which could make me a bit late for my update this month.

TWO
- The main character is Myriam, every other character serve in the game as a tool to explore a side of Myriam or kinks in general, Katherine purpose is to explore the motherhood side of Myriam and also have a parallel with her own teenagers years and discovery of sexuality.

THREE
- Nothing changed with Myriam/Katherine, they were never meant to hooks up like with Marc, the only possibilities between them will come from some eventual triangular relationships.
Each secondary character is meant to develop/explore a side or kink of Myriam, Myriam and Katherine is really here for the motherly side of Myriam and the parallel to her own teenager years.

FOUR
- If there will be some potential naughty scenes or moment with Eve (like in first update of chapter 3) or with Katherine (potential triangular relationship with William), but no pure incest road with them.

FIVE
- For Katherine it will all depend of her orientation, she will have a few possibilities between men and women, with Myriam being an influence towards who she'll go, man or woman (depending on orientation).

There's more like that, but they all either categorically state or reinforce that there will be no incest between Katherine and Myriam, and there was never going to be.
So, once more with feeling... YOU'RE WRONG!!!!!!!!

Just go the sharing route. Have Myriam and Katherine get interested in same guy and have threesome, maybe one could suck it after other one was doing it with him, maybe they could kiss (is kissing and/or rubbing alright?) And then they continue to other threesomes, have orgies, gang-bangs, glory holes etc, with other guys, while avoiding incest. That would be hotter anyway, and probably more realistic. Like mother, like daughter. Maybe Katherine will see how submissive Myriam is and become fem dom, even telling her what men to sleep with so that she can get a head in life, even whipping and slapping Myriam. That would be way hot. If Myriam took dom route, maybe she could become the dom. all kinds of possibilities, enough incest games anyway.

 

[Snugglepuff]

Just go the sharing route.

I'm not the dev, so suggestions for content are wasted on me I'm afraid.

 

[Blurpee69]

I know I'm weird, and saying this might be downright considered heresy on this forum; but I'd kind of like a game with family members in it that aren't just there for incest purposes. So just using this game as an example; Myriam does all of these wild and crazy things, but never wants to have sex with either Katherine or the stepson (totally blanking on his name at the moment) They don't want to have sex with her either. Just let the kids react to what she's doing and have consequences for her actions with her children. Maybe Katherine is set to find bestiality abhorrent and there are ramifications for Myriam if Katherine finds out Cassius and Myriam have been doing the nasty.

 

[Zorlun]

Just go the sharing route. Have Myriam and Katherine get interested in same guy and have threesome, maybe one could suck it after other one was doing it with him, maybe they could kiss (is kissing and/or rubbing alright?) And then they continue to other threesomes, have orgies, gang-bangs, glory holes etc, with other guys, while avoiding incest. That would be hotter anyway, and probably more realistic. Like mother, like daughter. Maybe Katherine will see how submissive Myriam is and become fem dom, even telling her what men to sleep with so that she can get a head in life, even whipping and slapping Myriam. That would be way hot. If Myriam took dom route, maybe she could become the dom. all kinds of possibilities, enough incest games anyway.

Sorry, but for short, it's not in the book, no corruption road for Katherine.

I know I'm weird, and saying this might be downright considered heresy on this forum; but I'd kind of like a game with family members in it that aren't just there for incest purposes. So just using this game as an example; Myriam does all of these wild and crazy things, but never wants to have sex with either Katherine or the stepson (totally blanking on his name at the moment) They don't want to have sex with her either. Just let the kids react to what she's doing and have consequences for her actions with her children. Maybe Katherine is set to find bestiality abhorrent and there are ramifications for Myriam if Katherine finds out Cassius and Myriam have been doing the nasty.

If there won't be any corruption road for her, there won't be any break in her relationship with Myriam, the love between the two is an important element for the game and the main character.

 

[JohnConstantine96]

Is the 4.02 update just for a specific route? For me, it ends just as 4.01

 

[Zorlun]

Is the 4.02 update just for a specific route? For me, it ends just as 4.01

It's generally due to the use of a mod not up to date (try without it to be sure and verify if the mod is up to date with the last version of the game), or to a save just made too far (in this case just roll back a little after loading your game).

 

[JohnConstantine96]

It's generally due to the use of a mod not up to date (try without it to be sure and verify if the mod is up to date with the last version of the game), or to a save just made too far (in this case just roll back a little after loading your game).

thank you

 

[Snugglepuff]

I know I'm weird, and saying this might be downright considered heresy on this forum; but I'd kind of like a game with family members in it that aren't just there for incest purposes.

I'd say the only "weirdness" is that you say that "aloud" without kink shaming. Most of the time people saying anything against incest usually consists of incest = bad/disgusting.

It is good to have well crafted porn games where family is more like family, without "keeping it in the family", and in the case of this game I'm happier that the incest had to be removed and that Zorlun reworked it well enough that it's not an issue.

 

[Ricky Smith]

I'm not the dev, so suggestions for content are wasted on me I'm afraid.

I realize you aren't the Developer Snugglepuff, Zorlun in the creator, and he reads these posts it looks like.

 

[Blurpee69]

I'd say the only "weirdness" is that you say that "aloud" without kink shaming. Most of the time people saying anything against incest usually consists of incest = bad/disgusting.

It is good to have well crafted porn games where family is more like family, without "keeping it in the family", and in the case of this game I'm happier that the incest had to be removed and that Zorlun reworked it well enough that it's not an issue.

Incest isn't really my kink, neither is a lot of the stuff found on this forum in all honesty. And there are a lot of things on here that I would honestly find abhorrent if it turned out a friend or family member participated in, in real life. But I'm also a pragmatist; these kinks exist, there should be safe ways of exploring them that won't put people or animals in danger. So I try not to kink shame for things like Incest, Rape, Bestiality, etc. because I think if a safe outlet doesn't exist, then bad things can / will happen.

 

[Zorlun]

Incest isn't really my kink, neither is a lot of the stuff found on this forum in all honesty. And there are a lot of things on here that I would honestly find abhorrent if it turned out a friend or family member participated in, in real life. But I'm also a pragmatist; these kinks exist, there should be safe ways of exploring them that won't put people or animals in danger. So I try not to kink shame for things like Incest, Rape, Bestiality, etc. because I think if a safe outlet doesn't exist, then bad things can / will happen.

Refreshing to hear, this is my opinion too, there is a distinction to make between fantasy and reality, and as long as people are able to do the difference, I think it's safe to explore kinks in general, though I will admit I can't go into everything either in the game, it still has to go with the game and characters and there is still some things I personally can't explore in the game (because I prefer not to, or because they trouble me personally).

 

[Desastrousman]

it's a shame we won't have a mother and daughter, but the game is good anyway.
It's amazing how the lesbian path has the least material in games.


lesbian and incest fetish is a hard one to have