VN Ren'Py Project Myriam - Life and Explorations [Ch. 5.07a+p] [Zorlun]

[Zara Scarlet]

Hmm, I would say, overall partially correct, if you consider also the part of your message I cut.
True she did something react in some way to some things, but that depends from the player (we could have chosen e.g. for her not to intervene at the school, while with Anthony, in reality there is the possiblity for her not to kick Anthony out when Kimberley appears, it is just that Zorlun foresaw it as an early ending, and has not yet implemented it ).

About the physical, it is much less relevant than what it seems. People who are very submissive towards someone, may even be physically stronger, yet not react, because it is not a matter of rational assessment of relative strenghts.
Additionally, if one consider certain factors, Myriam has a strong conscience and very strong mothernal caretaking/protective side, which depending on the choices of the player can even be abused to a certain extent, e.g. by Anthony, Marc, the priest.
It would not be strange if the more she increases her fighting skill, the more she also learn to refrain from using them, and that she would think twice before using them.
Effectively, the first rule of good learning of martial arts, is that there is a difference between martial arts and drunk street fist fight, the second is easy to happen in UK (sorry, politically incorrect joke), the first should not be used lightly.
Plus, yes we know something, but if you look in the game , it seems she never reported Anthony herself, eventually only Kimberley for the sexual harassment.
If that is the case, even if Anthony cheated on her, and even more while doing sexual harassment (which would give her certainly a good point in court), unless he tries to attack her physically, if she kicks his butt, it would actually go against her interest in the legal battle, a nasty lawyer would probably turn it around into her being the violent one (remember a lawyer who said preferred to work on criminal law than on divorce cases, because criminal could mean ugly stuff, but divorce, was often kind of "total destruction").
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So, the scenario you foresee/are asking for, could work only under some conditions.
I agree is only a game, and it would be satisfying to see the bad guy being kicked in the ass, but honestly, if he is a narcissist as it was said at a certain point, there are other ways that are more effective.

Well I only suggested that Myriam would stand up to Anthony and Marc when they abused other people. I mean obviously as a submissive, she's either afraid Anthony will end their relationship, if she doesn't give in to his abusive behaviour or because she naturally enjoys being dominated anyway. But Myriam won't tolerate it, when it's happening to someone else, particularly those who arouse her maternal instinct to protect.

And as far as hitting Anthony in a fight. I really mean't before the end of the game, and preferably after the custody battle has been settled. Zorlun has already indicated that will happen well before the end of the game. And I'm guessing Anthony's return will be an attempt to exact some form of revenge on Myriam. So I reckon that could end up giving her ample reason, to try out her new martial skills

 

[Zara Scarlet]

The actual law isn't really what's relevant: It's Patreon that forbids incest content regardless of the creator's country of origin and their local laws, and Patreon cares because Mastercard cares, and Mastercard cares because it's run by puritanical weirdos who're willing and eager to use the power of their massive financial institution to push their religious ideology onto others as far as they can get away with. (Really, they'd prefer it if Patreon allowed no NSFW content at all, and that's probably where we'll be in a few years.)

Well that's what I said. Patreon is based in a state which prohibits incestuous acts between any family members. It's rules are generated by the state it operates in. It doesn't matter if the creator lives in a country that has different rules, because he still has to abide by the rules that Patreon determines for their site. If Mastercard decided for instance that they'd only support Patreon if they agreed to allow incest, Patreon still wouldn't be able to allow it, because the state law of California would still prohibit it. If what you said is correct and Mastercard has so much influence, then why wait several more years to get rid of everything?

 

[coffeeaddicted]

To be honest, this is all gibberish.
For one, everyone knows what games are on Patreon. Not just games, but also mods.
I just need to look on this website and where games direction go.
I do not think they are oblivious to the fact.
So its just to put a good face on the fact and since they want to make money, they will not enforced it completely.

Still, this is a game and i personally like it and it would be a shame not to have these games.
Especially since you probably will not have the joy to have a relationship with a super looking mom in the first place. So i like the fantasy.
And i am not getting in the argument Patron/Mastercard because its pointless and who cares really.
The reason why everyone is using Patreon is because it rules the space it created. Therefor it can make rules. I think there are options for alternatives but not as much known. But more importantly, i does not want to lose revenue because of controversies.
In the end, it does not matter and you work with what you can do. There is always a patch. Somewhere.....
The system is very hypocritical.

 

[Zara Scarlet]

Of course Myriam could always just like, poison Anthony. There are plenty of ways to do it that won't make the police suspect foul play, and if they don't, they won't bother to run chemical tests on the body.

That's an, uhh, much darker direction than this game should probably go, though.

Honestly I don't really give a shit about Anthony, I'd be satisfied if the rest of the game just pretended he doesn't exist. The only wrinkle in that is the custody battle over Marc. I don't really care about him either, but I know all the M/S fans would cry if Marc just vanished from the game.

Even on the sub route, I was really happy when I was given no option for Anthony to disappear from the game. I mean really he's no loss even on the sub route. There are far better options for Myriam to submit to. But now I learn he's coming back. I mean why? Apart from the dubious pleasure of possibly seeing Myriam flatten him with her newly discovered martial skills. Beyond the custody battle what can he add to the game? That every other of the games numerous characters can do much better?

 

[Viressa]

Even on the sub route, I was really happy when I was given no option for Anthony to disappear from the game. I mean really he's no loss even on the sub route. There are far better options for Myriam to submit to. But now I learn he's coming back. I mean why? Apart from the dubious pleasure of possibly seeing Myriam flatten him with her newly discovered martial skills. Beyond the custody battle what can he add to the game? That every other of the games numerous characters can do much better?

If this game has one thing I can criticize, it's lack of focus: Unlike AWAM there's lots of sexual content for the length but it's spread very thinly amongst a large cast of characters. IIRC only William, Marc, Anthony, and Cassius have more than a single scene, and many of the other characters (like Nubia) have literally nothing. It feels like the author is including every conceivable character archetype one could possibly encounter to have sex with in a female protagonist game.

 

[DIRTY FILTHY Animal]

If this game has one thing I can criticize, it's lack of focus: Unlike AWAM there's lots of sexual content for the length but it's spread very thinly amongst a large cast of characters. IIRC only William, Marc, Anthony, and Cassius have more than a single scene, and many of the other characters (like Nubia) have literally nothing. It feels like the author is including every conceivable character archetype one could possibly encounter to have sex with in a female protagonist game.

Nubia will have more scenes coming soon said Zorlun, so will Aiden (prankster from the store) & the French fashion guy in near future

 

[JaxMan]

What I don't agree with is how subs are shown in most of these games where there is a female protagonist, whether she is corrupted or decides willingly. They are usually treated as pieces of meat, debased, demeaned and abused. That isn't necessarily how sub/dom relationships work. I'd like to see Myriam as a sub, especially if she has high confidence, that is truly a willing participant and the dom be someone who has her explore her role as a sub in a more positive way.

Encouraging her to show off/public exposure with or without public sex. Or engage in group activities without having to be drunk/drugged. She should not have to have an abusive dom to do some of her kinks. Mix it up so if someone doesn't want to have her abused, but enjoys certain kinks they still can.

Maybe I'm different. I would rather have her do a blow bang because she likes it and enjoys doing it and the men appreciate it and not degrade her or be forced into it. Same with group sex or public sex. Doesn't mean the other path isn't there just that an alternate, more cooperative path is there with other doms partners . I figured that was a reason to raise certain kinks for her to be able to do those things.

 

[JaxMan]

Check the wt mod is really the latest. Just saying that, because I remember it was updated, but the previous one, was effectively ending at the end of 3.03b, which corresponds to your description.

That's the version I've been playing. I'll download again and see if that corrects it. Could be the initial dl had a glitch.

edit: I misread your post. Yes, it apparently was the wt. I thought I had read it was updated to latest version. I had just dl'd everything a few days ago to start playing. I'll check to see if the wt was updated since than.

 

[Pogo123]

Just to point out different tastes since I read quite a lot of comments who like her not-son, her ex, bestiality and school stuff I wanna say I enjoy those the least personally. My fav scenarios so far are:

- her not-daughter
- hobo
- crazy fantasy encounters with monsters/aliens/dwarves/gobzombies
- the potential routes she can take for a job (especially prison and retirement home)
- old crazy neighbour and his weird son

just wanted to throw that out since I read so often the other stuff mentioned as if all just want these scenes/characters.

 

[Zara Scarlet]

If this game has one thing I can criticize, it's lack of focus: Unlike AWAM there's lots of sexual content for the length but it's spread very thinly amongst a large cast of characters. IIRC only William, Marc, Anthony, and Cassius have more than a single scene, and many of the other characters (like Nubia) have literally nothing. It feels like the author is including every conceivable character archetype one could possibly encounter to have sex with in a female protagonist game.

Yeah, but from now on, other characters will start to have more than one scene. I'm guessing there won't be too many new characters added beyond this point in the game. And Anthony for instance is unlikely to get anymore sex scenes, and until his custody battle is settled Marc's opportunities will be more limited. So more room for more characters in future updates

 

[Zara Scarlet]

Just to point out different tastes since I read quite a lot of comments who like her not-son, her ex, bestiality and school stuff I wanna say I enjoy those the least personally. My fav scenarios so far are:

- her not-daughter
- hobo
- crazy fantasy encounters with monsters/aliens/dwarves/gobzombies
- the potential routes she can take for a job (especially prison and retirement home)
- old crazy neighbour and his weird son

just wanted to throw that out since I read so often the other stuff mentioned as if all just want these scenes/characters.

Actually, Katherine is still Myriam's Daughter. The relationships that changed were Anthony ( husband to boyfriend), Marc ( son to boyfriend's son) and Evelyn ( sister to best friend)

And talking about weird encounters. How about Myriam gets thrust into an alternate game reality, the world of 'A Wife and Mother' and everyone mistakes her for Sophia. But being in a world where the female protagonist only gets to tease and never have sex with anybody, proves to be the ultimate nightmare for a slut like Myriam

 

[coffeeaddicted]

- the potential routes she can take for a job (especially prison and retirement home)

Did i miss the prison? The retirement home is pretty nice.

 

[Zara Scarlet]

Did i miss the prison? The retirement home is pretty nice.

They haven't happened yet. There were three choices you could make for Myriam to do charitable work, given to her by Lucy after they take Bobo to hospital. The Prison option was the third choice. Zorlun says this content will begin after the next two updates

 

[ouch2020]

Yes, i agree.
Though, i think i really should try to play it in the dominant direction. I am curious where it will lead her. she has options and not become a fucktoy. Its the same way that i avoided the lesbian part mostly.

Played a bit with the lesbian, did the dom only in part, to test the incest patch was working OK and had not forgotten it, and to make sure the dialogue with the doctor about incest did have an adequate text (one thing is if she is submissive, another, if she is dom, even if it is always incest).

I am not sure about the doctor though. Yes, he would "in the real world" help her. Though i am not sure if he really is doing that. I have the gut feeling that he has some sinister plans of its own. So i am not really sure.

Hmm, it is true that Zorlun made the good doctor think/say something like "careful with this one".
On the other hand, Zorlun has also indicated that not all the characters (especially, but not only, males) Myriam is meeting, are potential sex partners or are going to try to get in her panties (this also addresses one of your considerations), and it's true it's a game, but doing that, in principle would cost him the possibility to practice.

I think if you answer in certain ways, it makes or would make sense to me that the character kind of automatically does certain things. If that makes sense. So what i am saying is more a general opinion on the games as a whole and not this specific game.

Well, can agree in general, but in a way, you already mentioned yourself, it depends also how deep you are. If you are very deep, e.g. already took a number of choices in the same direction, than you may end up agreeing automatically (effectively, in some cases the menu shows the option, but you cannot choose it).
Otherwise, you may still be able to say "no", but it may be a weaker "no" (a bit like Myriam in some situations could say no, and then yes anyway).
It's part of the evolution of the character, how deep she goes in some stuff, maybe cornering herself in it - it is also true that as you say, it is a game, not a psychology study , Zorlun has done more than many in that direction, but we are not here to take a course on psychology and/or on how to provide counselling, we are here to play an erotic (or should I say porn) game

 

[coffeeaddicted]

They haven't happened yet. There were three choices you could make for Myriam to do charitable work, given to her by Lucy after they take Bobo to hospital. The Prison option was the third choice. Zorlun says this content will begin after the next two updates

Ah ok. Because i did not remember that there was an option for it.
Getting already excited.

 

[coffeeaddicted]

It's part of the evolution of the character, how deep she goes in some stuff, maybe cornering herself in it - it is also true that as you say, it is a game, not a psychology study , Zorlun has done more than many in that direction, but we are not here to take a course on psychology and/or on how to provide counselling, we are here to play an erotic (or should I say porn) game

Yes, you are so right. I do not think that there are many games, that go that direction. Its really refreshing and so naughty at the same time.
I mean, i haven't played a real romantic game at all. So i can not compare how much electricity flows through the vein if you do.
But as far for this game, its great.

Its a porn/fantasy game with lots of fetishes.

 

[dolfe67]

Even on the sub route, I was really happy when I was given no option for Anthony to disappear from the game. I mean really he's no loss even on the sub route. There are far better options for Myriam to submit to. But now I learn he's coming back. I mean why? Apart from the dubious pleasure of possibly seeing Myriam flatten him with her newly discovered martial skills. Beyond the custody battle what can he add to the game? That every other of the games numerous characters can do much better?

What are the better options for Myriam to submit to? Some people want a more healthy dom/sub relationship, but I liked the way she was treated by her husband. It's just a game, IRL he should be forbidden to approach a woman.

If this game has one thing I can criticize, it's lack of focus: Unlike AWAM there's lots of sexual content for the length but it's spread very thinly amongst a large cast of characters. IIRC only William, Marc, Anthony, and Cassius have more than a single scene, and many of the other characters (like Nubia) have literally nothing. It feels like the author is including every conceivable character archetype one could possibly encounter to have sex with in a female protagonist game.

I agree with you except about AWAM : it's as unfocus as Project Myriam and with a large cast too, you don't see all of them often. And AWAM doesn't have sex and is a lot slower to update (though better graphics)

 

[ouch2020]

Or engage in group activities without having to be drunk/drugged. She should not have to have an abusive dom to do some of her kinks. Mix it up so if someone doesn't want to have her abused, but enjoys certain kinks they still can.

Actually, there is already something like that. Play 3.04a, if you look well, she may decide to do something in a certain way, without getting wasted. And even before, in more than one opportunity, she can decide to do stuff, e.g. at the massage, with Cassius, with Hammer, with Charles, even if she is not wasted.
On the other hand, it is actually very realistic that for some time, a bit of alcohol, even without being completely unable to stand, makes Myriam lose her inhibitions more easily, and she uses that mean.
Despite the sex with Anthony, she is kind of innocent and even naive, she does stuff but feels guity about it, depending on your choices, even confesses to the priest submitting to his authority (and more, if trust is high enough) because she feels guilt .
She needs the sessions to start feeling less guilty about her desires and exploring them.
Many women will get a bit tipsy (not completely waisted, though some do) to "find the courage" (effectively, redure their rational self control) to try stuff they may be unsure about, at least the first times.
Annoying when you are a guy who does not "do drank", even if they are not really wasted, but that's life.

 

[ouch2020]

The incest laws only really have any relevance, when it involves cases of non-consent. Either rape of adults or involving minors. I guess between consenting adults, it virtually never results in prosecution.

That depends from the country or state, and if in a certain jurisdiction it is considered a crime against the person, against "morality", or in another distinction, prosecution only by complaint of the damaged party, or automatic by statute.
I would agree that in most cases it is prosecuted linked to other crimes, but there have been cases of prosecution "as is" - again, it depends on the specific jurisdiction, which means, country and/or state.
UK and USA are not the only countries in the World, although I think someone pointed out most people on F95 are from USA.

 

[Zorlun]

With virtually everyone else, dominance works in a different way. Myriam is not the kind of woman who wants to dominate her sexual partners in the same way Anthony does. Dominance just makes her more proactive in sexual situations. More likely to take the initiative rather than let things happen, and not as willing to be persuaded to do stuff, that she doesn't feel comfortable with. If you have high dominance, certain options that Myriam's submissive self has, just don't become available. And that's especially the case if you have high willpower as well. In general there are less sex scenes at the moment for a Dominant Myriam, but I suspect that will even out over the course of the game.

Yes, Myriam is only discovering a willpower she didn't knew she had, so for now, her dominance is limited, but yes, at first her character is more a submissive one for sure.

If this game has one thing I can criticize, it's lack of focus: Unlike AWAM there's lots of sexual content for the length but it's spread very thinly amongst a large cast of characters. IIRC only William, Marc, Anthony, and Cassius have more than a single scene, and many of the other characters (like Nubia) have literally nothing. It feels like the author is including every conceivable character archetype one could possibly encounter to have sex with in a female protagonist game.

I understand the comment and it's partly true, I said at the beginning that this project was very experimental to me, on every front, even the way I write it, I wanted explore a lot of kinks and characters to see what could be done, what was interesting (for me or others), both plot wise and technically (you wouldn't believe how much I had to refrain myself sometimes because the resources were not exciting out there or because I lacked the skills to do a scene like I wanted).
Clearly I have way to go on every front, I can't deny it, but I wanted that shot gun blast of plot lines, kinks and characters, to experiment as well as test my self and what can be done in a game.

What I don't agree with is how subs are shown in most of these games where there is a female protagonist, whether she is corrupted or decides willingly. They are usually treated as pieces of meat, debased, demeaned and abused. That isn't necessarily how sub/dom relationships work. I'd like to see Myriam as a sub, especially if she has high confidence, that is truly a willing participant and the dom be someone who has her explore her role as a sub in a more positive way.

Encouraging her to show off/public exposure with or without public sex. Or engage in group activities without having to be drunk/drugged. She should not have to have an abusive dom to do some of her kinks. Mix it up so if someone doesn't want to have her abused, but enjoys certain kinks they still can.

Maybe I'm different. I would rather have her do a blow bang because she likes it and enjoys doing it and the men appreciate it and not degrade her or be forced into it. Same with group sex or public sex. Doesn't mean the other path isn't there just that an alternate, more cooperative path is there with other doms partners . I figured that was a reason to raise certain kinks for her to be able to do those things.

Yes, the dom/sub play shown for now was made by bullies, so it's crude and brutal, but there will be some different exploration of the kink with other characters, like Nubia (museum), Charles (business man) and also Danny (officer), even with a reversed side, with Myriam as a dom with Kimberley (Anthony's victim).