VN Ren'Py Project Myriam - Life and Explorations [Ch. 5.07a+p] [Zorlun]

[Avaron1974]

Even tho they're both girls ????? So then whats the point of the wincest then, for other side characters ? or Will Myriam end up getting sexual events with her daddy/brother she has mentioned? (Im early into the game, so shes only mentioned they exist for me)

Game used to have incest but Patreon stepped in and it was removed.

Marc was made into her stepson and the story was changed. Kath was never going to be involved even when incest was in, she represents purity to Myriam so was going to stay that way.

She may get scenes but the daughter isn't going to have any slut routes like Myriam does. You do get to choose her sexual orientation and it seems she may get a lover later on but I wouldn't expect anything heavy.

As for the incest tag still being there, Myriam does have encounters with her cousin because it seems no one gives a shit about cousins over on Patreon but so far that is it.

No idea if her dad and bother are going to be options in the future but anything is possible there.

Not really, just removing the sex scenes and adding them to the patch. "But it wouldn't make sense to the players without patch" I don't think it's a big player base. But it's ok, no problem, it's Zorlun's decision.


But they have no problem with a bestiality patch?

Marc is central to the story and he didn't want to have to write 2 different versions for incest and non incest so made him into the stepson because it was less work.

It's far more involved than just the removing the sex scenes because a lot of conversations revolve around their sex life so to keep incest in he would have to essentially remove him from the game and add him back in a patch which would ruin the flow of the game and make a ton of work.

Kinda like the beastiality.

It's not like the dog or horse are going to go around talking about it so it's not very involved story wise.

 

[NoMansMind]

a girl that loves animals is always a BIG plus!
and animals love her!

are their any other games (VN) with this kind of... affection around?

 

[ouch2020]

Not really, just removing the sex scenes and adding them to the patch. "But it wouldn't make sense to the players without patch" I don't think it's a big player base. But it's ok, no problem, it's Zorlun's decision.

But they have no problem with a bestiality patch?

Those scenes were inside the story in such a way that they would have changed the flux of the story, so more work than what it seems. Plus, Zorlun would have had to learn how to manage that, remember it was his first game and it was something not at all foreseen from the start.
Zorlun has actually quite a decently sized follow-up, enough to make a basic living out of the game (it is not a secret, he said it himself, is the reason why he cannot afford to get kicked out of Patreon), so, should always be remembered it is easy to take risks, when the ones paying the gamble are others ;-).

I am not saying it is the only way possible, just using the numerous and long exchanges and debate, also on F95, with Zorlun's own input, to try to help you see Zorlun's perspective as can be seen from those.

The bestiality patch is released from an user acount called Prometheus, not from Zorlun. Plus, reality says there are things that there are often things that are forbidden, and things that are more forbidden, if you see what I mean.

 

[omega_rugal]

is there animation?

 

[Zorlun]

is there animation?

No.

 

[dolfe67]

The bestiality patch is released from an user acount called Prometheus, not from Zorlun. Plus, reality says there are things that there are often things that are forbidden, and things that are more forbidden, if you see what I mean.

Of course it's Prometheus who would have done the incest patch

And incest more forbidden than bestiality?

 

[Avaron1974]

Of course it's Prometheus who would have done the incest patch

And incest more forbidden than bestiality?

He does the beastiality patch not the incest patch.

 

[Falconmania43]

what was new in this update?

 

[Zorlun]

All I know is the dev has specifically said the daughter and Myriam will have no sexual content together.

No, I strictly said no corruption road between Myriam and Katherine.

Zorlun has stated multiple times that sexual content between Myriam and Katherine goes against his intended tone for their relationship. You may not like it, but that's how he feels and every time the subject is brought up he stands his ground, so I highly doubt he'll change his mind. So no M/D incest in this game, unfortunately. (He did say he plans to have a threesome scene between Myriam, Katherine, and William, but to not expect Myriam and Katherine to touch each other during the scene. So that's the closest you should get your hopes up for.)

As for her father and brother, Zorlun has mentioned he's interested in including sexual content with them in the game. I don't know how he plans to handle patreon's censorship rules there: Maybe it'll be patch-only? If it were me, I'd have made the Marc scenes patch-only rather than censor their relationship to no longer be incestuous, but it's not my game.

The potential triangular relationship, would be between Myriam, Katherine and William or Jessy (Katherine's new friend), though I specified nothing on the sexual act itself.

And incest more forbidden than bestiality?

Please don't start going into some debate void of any sense, no need to go into things that are just matter of opinion and in the end will not change anything towards the game.

what was new in this update?

One scene about meeting a new character (the pornstar hinted multiple time during the game) and one scene in school advancing the main school plotline and with a few naughty scenes there.

 

[JaxMan]

I don't think having Marc as the son makes any sense or is necessary to the story. For one thing, Katherine would be much more dysfunctional if they all had grown up together. First a father that was so abusive and degrading to the mother and second a brother that was following in his footsteps and lusting after his mom. Chances are the father would have been abusive to the daughter, as well.

It makes more sense that they were only together a few years where Katherine wouldn't have been influenced by the relationship between Myriam and Anthony or Marc. Because of her caring nature Myriam would have treated Marc as her own even if he was somewhat older when she got together with Anthony.

 

[LucT]

No, I strictly said no corruption road between Myriam and Katherine.

The potential triangular relationship, would be between Myriam, Katherine and William or Jessy (Katherine's new friend), though I specified nothing on the sexual act itself.

Please don't start going into some debate void of any sense, no need to go into things that are just matter of opinion and in the end will not change anything towards the game.

One scene about meeting a new character (the pornstar hinted multiple time during the game) and one scene in school advancing the main school plotline and with a few naughty scenes there.

No update for mistery club?

 

[ouch2020]

I don't think having Marc as the son makes any sense or is necessary to the story. For one thing, Katherine would be much more dysfunctional if they all had grown up together. First a father that was so abusive and degrading to the mother and second a brother that was following in his footsteps and lusting after his mom. Chances are the father would have been abusive to the daughter, as well.

It makes more sense that they were only together a few years where Katherine wouldn't have been influenced by the relationship between Myriam and Anthony or Marc. Because of her caring nature Myriam would have treated Marc as her own even if he was somewhat older when she got together with Anthony.

Ehm, actually, what you are referring to, was the story as originally planned by, and developed, by Zorlun, with Marc and Katherine both children, and Anthony getting more abusive towards Myriam, till when Myriam has to kick him out.

Myriam keeping Anthony away from Katherine, same as even when being submissive towards Marc Myriam reacts immediately at the idea of Katherine being sexually used by Marc and his friend , could have been something that could have indeed fit in the story (without need for any actual sexual content between Anthony and Katherine), and alone could have been a "kick him out" reason, but that will never be an issue, since Anthony is out and will not come back (aside some scene in court maybe).
Effectively, Zorlun always said that Anthony was there only as a "tool" for the story for him, with his peak of bad behaviour making Myriam come to the decision to change her life (including kicking him out).

 

[ouch2020]

Of course it's Prometheus who would have done the incest patch

And incest more forbidden than bestiality?

Actually, as already replied, Prometheus does the bestiality, I do the incest (and someone else tries to combine partially the incest patch and the WT mod).
At least, for now, if then there will be something between Myriam, her father and her brother (?), that would most probably come from Prometheus.

Well, I did not mean that one is really more forbidden than the other from Patreon's point of view, just pointing out that Patreon's logic is just Patreon's logic.
And that in real life, people are shocked by some things, but may accept others - I did not check, but it is perfectly possible that a USA state that accepts incest between people above 16, will instead forbid bestiality.
As Zorlun said, in any case, not worth discussing it more, I think - anyway, the only one that could give a definitive answer, as far as Patreon is involved, is Patreon itself.

 

[Zorlun]

I don't think having Marc as the son makes any sense or is necessary to the story. For one thing, Katherine would be much more dysfunctional if they all had grown up together. First a father that was so abusive and degrading to the mother and second a brother that was following in his footsteps and lusting after his mom. Chances are the father would have been abusive to the daughter, as well.

It makes more sense that they were only together a few years where Katherine wouldn't have been influenced by the relationship between Myriam and Anthony or Marc. Because of her caring nature Myriam would have treated Marc as her own even if he was somewhat older when she got together with Anthony.

Interesting point of view I must say, though I would argue that nothing is ever that simple, you had criminals coming from functional families and brothers and sisters evolving differently in behavior despite having the same education.

But that being said the fact is that I wrote the game differently than I intended prior to having to censor it, so I would say I went the middle way. ^^

No update for mistery club?

I wanted to add it during chapter 3 at first, but I reviewed a few things story wise and in the end pushed it for chapter 4.

 

[Saint Blackmoor]

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Zorlun

Loving the Game. Consistent updates, yeah, baby

 

[Zorlun]

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Loving the Game. Consistent updates, yeah, baby

Yeah, that one is always annoying me, and it's where you see my still limited skills with DAZ, I can't seem to figure out how to correct this resources that shouldn't be modified by the body movement and end up modified anyway.

But hey! You can make it pass as "designer" glasses! ^^

 

[Saint Blackmoor]

Yeah, that one is always annoying me, and it's where you see my still limited skills with DAZ,

limited skills with DAZ, someone is being modest. I remember when the game started, I was blown away by Myriam"s flowing hair. I hadn't seen that before.

 

[Kyla_Angel]

Animated (they are not real animations) and incest (nothing planned with the daughter and marc is not her son anymore) tags should be removed, they're misleading.

There is not really much of a story, it's a succession of porn scenes including various fetishes. And a lot of the sex scenes are not even that good, too quick (not many renders) and/or not enough erotism. But if it's your kink it can be fairly arousing. Though the one I preferred in this has gone with the end of the "boyfriend" (ex-husband) route, aka the sex slave/free use route.

It took AWAM in the other extreme direction of too much mindless porn. But there is an audience for that for sure.

Boy, I’d like to buy ya for what your worth and sell ya for what ya'll thinks you’ll bring.... Whether or not the animations are up to your "lofty" expectations makes no never mind, and you mister, aren't the gatekeeper for good taste. As for incest, if you want to get specific on the matter the interactions with the Eve and Mi are more than enough for that tag, and if you look at the whole industry (which I'm sure you're very familiar with) you'll see that the stepmom fetish is regularly called incest.

*hikes up her sleeves* And as for the story, I'm sure I'm too small ranch to have read any of your novels, but the emotional developments of Mi wresting with the well-being of her family and the kicking Anthony out (or not) is, by definition, both character and plot development, and is a damn sight more than most wrist benders on this site bother to put into a game, so I would kindly ask you to 80/20 your behind out of the thread if all you want to do is cast baseless complaints. Not to mention the wrestling with caring for Bobo and dealing with her own assault.

Which brings me to the final point, I know you're a "well-known member" and I'm only an ignorant Newbie, but your opinion, once rendered doesn't need a sequel, much less a challenge to the Skywalker Saga. You've spent a whole lotta time in the thread giving us a laundry list of what'ya think, and not a lot of time citing why you're an expert on the matter. You say your peace once, anything else is crowing for the henhouse. Mister, I don't know you from Adam's ox, but I do know you don't like the game. It's fine if it ain't up to your snuff, so walk away and find something you do like. Don't go filling up the thread with your nevermind, let other people experience and decide for themselves.

 

[clowns234]

limited skills with DAZ, someone is being modest. I remember when the game started, I was blown away by Myriam"s flowing hair. I hadn't seen that before.

Yea, from Zorlun's first scene in that car ride, you just knew there was something special there.

 

[JaxMan]

Interesting point of view I must say, though I would argue that nothing is ever that simple, you had criminals coming from functional families and brothers and sisters evolving differently in behavior despite having the same education.

But that being said the fact is that I wrote the game differently than I intended prior to having to censor it, so I would say I went the middle way. ^^

I wanted to add it during chapter 3 at first, but I reviewed a few things story wise and in the end pushed it for chapter 4.

I agree with you on your points about children behaving differently within in the scope of the same childhood. In many families they are seldom treated exactly the same and each have their own personality, although a domineering parent would most likely treat all his children the same. Kathrine seems too grounded and put off by Anthony's behavior to have grown up in that environment. She responds as a daughter who doesn't like her mother's bf and doesn't understand why she is with him more than as a daughter who grew up under a domineering parent. Seems to me she would likely retreat into her own self or become rebellious. From the start it seems this is his normal behavior and that would be reflected throughout the marriage.

It doesn't really matter, each person playing will shape the game to their liking. Like I stated I just didn't think making Marc her son was pertinent to the story. It works just as well without.

For me, I see the story as a single mom/widow who had a good marriage and raised a daughter with kindness and love who meets a controlling man who takes advantage of Myriam's good nature and submissive side who, wanting a man in her life, submits to him. After too much abuse she rebels and breaks away to forge her own identity. Making Marc her son didn't seem to be necessary for that story except to satisfy a kink, which is fine. After all that is what it's all about.