VN Ren'Py Project Myriam - Life and Explorations [Ch. 5.12+p] [Zorlun]

[ouch2020]

This game contains many similarities with 'A Wife and Mother'. Both the MCs have a sexual relationship with their sons (Marc was her son in the original),both have husbands who neglect them to some extent,

Ehm, "neglect" is a gross understatement, I would say :-D.

But like all parodies( and remember I never said it was a parody, just that it could be construed as such) this game takes those similarities to extremes, and so unlike 'the blue-balling AWAM' this game is in fact a total sexfest.

In this phrase, you are still talking like assuming Myriam is meant as a parody, while Zorlun was always adamant it is not the case - he may have been more or less unwillingly influenced in some aspect, but never meant is a parody - effectively, more than one of the aspects you mention as support for the parody classification, are present in n games, it is more the combination and how they are put in the game/story that changes it.

 

[ouch2020]

You kind of have that backwards there my friend, Earlier versions of Druuna (around 84-86) had and a more traditional caucasian/western look due to the publishers demands (their editorial changes are very apparent if you compare his raw sketches to the final inked versions) whereas as Serpieri got more editorial input in his creation he took her back to the Native look (the image I linked to was from 2001 and his vision for the character is very obvious).

Both her and Myriam have their own distinct appeal, though I am a huge fan of Druuna's look, I've always liked voluptuous brunettes (being half native American myself).

Actually...
We have exchanged enough with Zorlun to think he will not be offended, I don't know about your reaction, but here I come playing "smartass" :-D

You are both at light years of distance from reality, Serpieri is Italian, and the design of Druuna has less than zero to do with "native American", whether with that is meant one of the tribes of North American, Indians from Amazonia, pre-Colombian central America populations... Although apparently she was very popular in USA (did not know, honestly).

The inspiration for Druuna came from a volouptous (that, yes) unknown Italian woman taking a swim naked (which most probably means illegally, hush hush , I don't think at that time there would have been a nudist beach in Ostia, which is close to Rome), and Valérie Kaprisky, a French actress (so much that I remember a V4 character which was Druuna but also Valérie Kaprisky), though at the same time, if I remember correctly, Valérie Kaprisky was beautiful but was less curvy than Druuna. (Edit, just checked again, and I remembered well, definitively attractive, but way less curvy than Druuna)

One thing that can console both of you, is a reference to temperament like the Brazilian, but honestly, I suspect Serpieri was a bit biased by stereotypes in Italy, otherwise he would have known there are also other countries were women can be quite warm in a certain type of contexts ;-).

Here you have it from Serpieri himself, no need to believe me

You must be registered to see the links

 

[redharvest1]

Actually...
We have exchanged enough with Zorlun to think he will not be offended, I don't know about your reaction, but here I come playing "smartass" :-D

You are both at light years of distance from reality, Serpieri is Italian, and the design of Druuna has less than zero to do with "native American", whether with that is meant one of the tribes of North American, Indians from Amazonia, pre-Colombian central America populations... Although apparently she was very popular in USA (did not know, honestly).

The inspiration for Druuna came from a volouptous (that, yes) unknown Italian woman taking a swim naked (which most probably means illegally, hush hush , I don't think at that time there would have been a nudist beach in Ostia, which is close to Rome), and Valérie Kaprisky, a French actress (so much that I remember a V4 character which was Druuna but also Valérie Kaprisky), though at the same time, if I remember correctly, Valérie Kaprisky was beautiful but was less curvy than Druuna. (Edit, just checked again, and I remembered well, definitively attractive, but way less curvy than Druuna)

One thing that can console both of you, is a reference to temperament like the Brazilian, but honestly, I suspect Serpieri was a bit biased by stereotypes in Italy, otherwise he would have known there are also other countries were women can be quite warm in a certain type of contexts ;-).

Here you have it from Serpieri himself, no need to believe me

You must be registered to see the links

Interesting read... thanks. I never take open and thoughtful counter points in any manner other than how they were delivered .
Serieri has long been one of my biggest artistic inspirations, along with the early works of Richard Corben and David Cho. With Serieri's portrayal of Druuna being as close as possible to what I considered the ideal woman should look like.

BTW I do remember that V4 version quite well (iirc she was free, named Bruuna, even came with her own hair) it's a shame that model never got upgraded.

 

[Zorlun]

Actually...
We have exchanged enough with Zorlun to think he will not be offended, I don't know about your reaction, but here I come playing "smartass" :-D

You are both at light years of distance from reality, Serpieri is Italian, and the design of Druuna has less than zero to do with "native American", whether with that is meant one of the tribes of North American, Indians from Amazonia, pre-Colombian central America populations... Although apparently she was very popular in USA (did not know, honestly).

The inspiration for Druuna came from a volouptous (that, yes) unknown Italian woman taking a swim naked (which most probably means illegally, hush hush , I don't think at that time there would have been a nudist beach in Ostia, which is close to Rome), and Valérie Kaprisky, a French actress (so much that I remember a V4 character which was Druuna but also Valérie Kaprisky), though at the same time, if I remember correctly, Valérie Kaprisky was beautiful but was less curvy than Druuna. (Edit, just checked again, and I remembered well, definitively attractive, but way less curvy than Druuna)

One thing that can console both of you, is a reference to temperament like the Brazilian, but honestly, I suspect Serpieri was a bit biased by stereotypes in Italy, otherwise he would have known there are also other countries were women can be quite warm in a certain type of contexts ;-).

Here you have it from Serpieri himself, no need to believe me

You must be registered to see the links

Interesting...
I went from memory of what Serpieri had told in an interview as well as in some art books I have from him, but those memories coming from decades ago, I might have my facts wrong. ^^

Though taking a look at the book, "X", written by him and talking about the genesis of Druuna, he's talking about the Valérie part, and then as I said, that in the drafts and firs pages of Morbus Gravis, she looked a bit native and then her features lightly changed and evolved... (and I'm paraphrasing him here).

Here the page (sorry, it's in French ^^ )...


So, yeah, I'm right. ^^

 

[Zorlun]

Sorry for going out of topic people (shame on me ^^ )... I'm just a big fan of Druuna. ^^

 

[afterlights]

Picked up her first appearance in Heavy Metal magazine at a gas station in '86. She was just the perfect thing an adolescent boy needed to be exposed to.

 

[redharvest1]

Picked up her first appearance in Heavy Metal magazine at a gas station in '86. She was just the perfect thing an adolescent boy needed to be exposed to.

Hey I was stationed in Germany in '86, trust me that issue of Heavy Metal got passed around the barracks a lot. It was more popular than the tattered copies of Penthouse and Hustler we had stashed in a certain PFC's footlocker lol.

 

[doccop63]

Sorry for going out of topic people (shame on me ^^ )... I'm just a big fan of Druuna. ^^

Hell, if Anyone's entitled,

Picked up her first appearance in Heavy Metal magazine at a gas station in '86. She was just the perfect thing an adolescent boy needed to be exposed to.

Same here.

 

[Ranxerox]

Kids here be like:

Druuna? Serpieri? Corben? HM?
Wtf is that..?

 

[Ranxerox]

Picked up her first appearance in Heavy Metal magazine at a gas station in '86. She was just the perfect thing an adolescent boy needed to be exposed to.

I got hooked after watching a bad and censored copy of the movie on a Betamax tape... and fell in love with Taarna..
I was 18 and living in a third-world country. As soon as I got the chance to travel to the States to study English, I started buying it and subscribing to it.
Right now, it's even harder for me to subscribe because of economic restrictions imposed on my country..
I forget when was the last time I bought an HM magazine.

 

[JaxMan]

Actually...
We have exchanged enough with Zorlun to think he will not be offended, I don't know about your reaction, but here I come playing "smartass" :-D

You are both at light years of distance from reality, Serpieri is Italian, and the design of Druuna has less than zero to do with "native American", whether with that is meant one of the tribes of North American, Indians from Amazonia, pre-Colombian central America populations... Although apparently she was very popular in USA (did not know, honestly).

The inspiration for Druuna came from a volouptous (that, yes) unknown Italian woman taking a swim naked (which most probably means illegally, hush hush , I don't think at that time there would have been a nudist beach in Ostia, which is close to Rome), and Valérie Kaprisky, a French actress (so much that I remember a V4 character which was Druuna but also Valérie Kaprisky), though at the same time, if I remember correctly, Valérie Kaprisky was beautiful but was less curvy than Druuna. (Edit, just checked again, and I remembered well, definitively attractive, but way less curvy than Druuna)

One thing that can console both of you, is a reference to temperament like the Brazilian, but honestly, I suspect Serpieri was a bit biased by stereotypes in Italy, otherwise he would have known there are also other countries were women can be quite warm in a certain type of contexts ;-).

Here you have it from Serpieri himself, no need to believe me

You must be registered to see the links

Thank you that link. Good stuff!

 

[xapican]

I personaly like Milo Manara more then Serpieri, Although Druuna was chefkiss

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