Unity Pure Onyx [v0.138.1] [Eromancer]

[KittyMaid]

You're talking as if it was YOUR responsibility to convince others to move to Subscribestar. It's not

I am not, i am stating how the situation is since people only have only one perspective and hope to solve things that way. The only info you have is what people leak anything else you don't know about, for example what was worked on today? and by who? In your mind you probably thought nothing was being done.

I don't think you understand how programming works, you expect them to learn a code that wasn't started by them, get comfortable enough start building on their own in 4 months? No, the last thing you want is to end up with a spaghetti code. The other thing is the project needs Ero's approval before moving forward. I haven't heard anyone describe him as meticulous, but thats one thing i do agree with he is very nit picky because he like things to look nice. Anyways the spiders are mostly done i've seen how they will look like in game the issue is coding an enemy with 8 legs and their own move sets to not look janky. I saw it visually done so i assumed it was next but no i was putting the carriage before the horse. Also

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joined the team and will be helping with H animations so +1 in animation.

As for the Pateron you're just baiting me into sounding like a broken record again. Ero isn't blaming anyone, you are. He is countinung the game whether its on Patreon or not.

 

[Kingrj]

You no longer need a nude patch, you can remove Onyx's clothes in the equip menu anytime. And you can use last month's savefile, there are no new H-animations in the gallery.

It's more so I wanted it updated for the gallery not the in-game stuff.

 

[Ironfoot]

You keep saying Ero and ignore the fact that others are with him, he can't just leave and cut everyones pay. He needs to be sure its worth moving and everyone including consumers are on board. I don't know what you don't understand about that. They pay, you don't, so their opinion matters more to them. Had supporters been the ones to push him maybe yes, but that is not the case tho. The game will continue either way, that is just a choice he left supports.

The other team members are scammy as Ero himself. In 5 years none of them said "Hey guys we don't have any fuckin progress, let's step on the gas a bit"? Everyone in this team is fishy as hell not just Ero.

 

[ellowyn]

"your expectations are your problems. it's not a developer's problem."

 

[Yojimbo543]

You keep saying Ero and ignore the fact that others are with him, he can't just leave and cut everyones pay.

He DOESN'T need to leave Patreon and he DOESN'T need to cut anyone's pay. I've explained it many times. Stop trying to strawman it and read what I actually wrote.

He needs to be sure its worth moving and everyone including consumers are on board.

All his Subscribestar supporters are on board. All his Patreon sleepers are on board.
Less than 5% of his "consumers" aren't. He's screwing 95% of his supporters to please the 5% of "consumers"

They pay, you don't, so their opinion matters more to them.

The 95% of supporters Eromancer is screwing up are paying supporters too, just like the 5%. But Eromancer doesn't care about the 95% of his supporters opinion.

Had supporters been the ones to push him maybe yes, but that is not the case tho.

Yes, it is the case. It was his supporters base who pushed him to open a Subscribestar account, after threatening to leave. He didn't want to do it back then and he still doesn't want to do it now.

 

[Yojimbo543]

I am not, i am stating how the situation is since people only have only one perspective and hope to solve things that way. The only info you have is what people leak anything else you don't know about, for example what was worked on today? and by who? In your mind you probably thought nothing was being done.

You don't know who I am or what info I have access to. But that's beside the point.
It doesn't matter what I might think, and it doesn't matter what you believe Eromancer has done today. You only believe what he told you he's done is true.
What matters are facts. We're 4 months into 2023 and the game is updating even at a slower pace than 2022. The changelogs reflect what's really been done.
There's a big difference between pledging and donating. And there's also a big difference between buying a lottery ticket and actually winning the lottery.

I don't think you understand how programming works, you expect them to learn a code that wasn't started by them, get comfortable enough start building on their own in 4 months? No, the last thing you want is to end up with a spaghetti code.

What code? This game has a very basic UI and a barebones combat. There are almost no mechanics (grabs, juggles, specials). The hit detection is barely done and the only thing that can have a relatively complex code is the enemies' AI. Still, 4 months is more than enough for a programmer (or 2) to learn what they need for this game. This is not an AAA game.

Anyways the spiders are mostly done i've seen how they will look like in game the issue is coding an enemy with 8 legs and their own move sets to not look janky. I saw it visually done so i assumed it was next but no i was putting the carriage before the horse.

No shit, Sherlock! Funny how I said 4 months ago that spiders were a bad idea because they're hard to animate and won't go through Patreon's censorship. You finally realized what all of us have already said

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joined the team and will be helping with H animations so +1 in animation.

It doesn't matter if there are +1 or +100 H-animators if Eromancer doesn't commision/pay them. The reason why we haven't got a "new" H-animation since November 2022 is not because Gifdoozer is lazy or can't work faster. He's proven he can do 2 full H-animations/month already.

As for the Pateron you're just baiting me into sounding like a broken record again. Ero isn't blaming anyone, you are. He is countinung the game whether its on Patreon or not.

Eromancer is blaming Patreon for censoring "his vision". He's blaming the supporters that don't want to move to Subscribestar as the reason why he's not moving. He's blaming any criticism on "people having unrealistic expectations on what a 13+ team with $20K/month can do".

 

[[pillory]]

anyone know of a way to unlock full gallery and/or have better camera angles like those clips i've seen online?

 

[KittyMaid]

He DOESN'T need to leave Patreon and he DOESN'T need to cut anyone's pay. I've explained it many times. Stop trying to strawman it and read what I actually wrote

I did read but you just say i don't because i don't agree with you. The game is not being stopped, i don't know why you think it is. He gave the supporters a choice to move to Substar to get a more explicit version, if they want it they will move, that's it. I don't why you complicate a simple thing.
-We already establish your pseudonumber don't actually mean anything. If 95% wanted to switch they would have already. This is how i know your info is limited you have not shown any info that is current or accurate, it's usually old or poorly estimated. You have a habit of "imagining" what the situation is and going off of that and expect me to regard it as "facts". None of what you said is concrete, only speculation. You say is slower but again you have no idea what they are working on, a lot of 2022 content was re adding prior content. Some of what i'm seeing now has no prior years of work done its stickly new content. Not once did i hear you mention anything of spiders until i did. Where was your info then?
-They have a channel dedicated to code updates and states what each member does.
-So because its a bad idea to you, random F95 users, they should stop? lol If something is difficult it does not make it impossible, know the difference, and Patreon hasn't even said anything on it.
-Yes it does matter, to continue XXXIV they will require more animators than anything.
-He isn't blaming us, not once has he said of implied it was our fault. Patreon rules didn't allow things and he found ways to make it work. The only one blaming is you, there endless evidence of it.

 

[Yojimbo543]

I did read but you just say i don't because i don't agree with you. The game is not being stopped, i don't know why you think it is. He gave the supporters a choice to move to Substar to get a more explicit version, if they want it they will move, that's it. I don't why you complicate a simple thing.
-We already establish your pseudonumber don't actually mean anything. If 95% wanted to switch they would have already.

No, reality doesn't work like that. When Eromancer said he would open Subscribestar (after the supporters threatened to leave) supporters fell into 3 groups:
A.- Those who wanted to stay on Patreon.
B.- Those who moved to Subscribestar.
C.- Those who didn't say or do anything, aka "Sleepers".

The 95% you qualify as "pseudonumber" is comprised of B+C.
I NEVER SAID 95% WANTED TO SWITCH, BUT YOU DON'T KNOW BECAUSE YOU DON'T READ OR TRY TO CHANGE THE SUBJECT
And you didn't "establish" anything other than your lack of understanding and your failed attempts to strawmen other's points

Group A is less that 5% of supporters, prove me wrong on that.
I'll give you some help to start with, what % of supporters from both Patreon and Subscribestar are on Discord?
THOSE UPPORTERS WHO AREN'T ON DISCORD ARE SLEEPERS AND THOSE ON DISCORD THAT HAVEN'T SAID OR DONE ANYTHING ARE SLEEPERS TOO.

If you make a poll asking a group of people to answer do you want to move to Subscibestar? and these are the results:
5% no
15% yes
80% don't give an answer
YOU CAN'T SAY THAT 85% SAID NO. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT EROMANCER IS DOING.

You have a habit of "imagining" what the situation is and going off of that and expect me to regard it as "facts". None of what you said is concrete, only speculation. You say is slower but again you have no idea what they are working on, a lot of 2022 content was re adding prior content.

Again, you didn't read what I wrote. I SAID 2023 IS SLOWER THAN 2022 and you try to change the subject saying that a lot of 2022 was prior content. That wasn't my point.
Still, the facts remain, REAL content is what's in the changelogs, everything else Eromancer says he's doing is what's speculative.
And the changelogs for the past 4 months are pathetic.

-Yes it does matter, to continue XXXIV they will require more animators than anything.

No, it won't. HE DOESN'T NEED TO CONTINUE XXXIV, he only needs to say that's what he's doing.
He doesn't need to allocate resources on XXXIV, just like he's not allocating resources on MatM. XXXIV will be worked "in the background", just like MatM.
Remember this from the Sep 2018 update?

"The game will take place in MATM's world, and act as an introduction to MATM's setting, the theme, the denizens of New Babylon, and even some of the characters. It will require MUCH less overhead development time, and what you'll see in this update is from only two weeks spent on pre-visualization.
As far as Patreon goes, the current structure will likely remain the same, you’ll just be treated to content for both games. We’ll continue to update you on our MATM progress as usual. "

Patreon doesn't care about real updates (if they did they would have kicked out Eromancer long ago), they only care about their cut of the money and their ToS; and the sleepers won't notice any difference.

 

[ZeroHeroNoMoreHeroes]

wtf is this update, games in roblox has more content when they update than this shit

 

[NoSolutionForWorld]

I got nothing to say.
One person and 14 years can make a good game like Kenshi,ASLIBRA Revision.
A group of people under the leadership of Eromancer ,half a million dollars and X years only make a game halfly done?
AND it's a fxxking H game.
The money supporters have spent is enough to buy Onyx's copyright and make Gifdoozer making animations until his retire.

 

[Lordnightwolf]

Chottomatte23333
Youre a lyair right now. he does make gifdoozer, you're a such a lair buddy

 

[Yojimbo543]

Chottomatte23333
Youre a lyair right now. he does make gifdoozer, you're a such a lair buddy

Kid, go back to school and don't return before you learn to spell basic words and some grammar fundamentals.

You need to be AT LEAST 18 years old to be here, you know that, right?

 

[Gnodab]

This thread has degenerated into full on shit-flinging and online hairpulling, glorious.

So Eromancer CAN provide Entertainment, in some way

 

[Lordnightwolf]

@Gnodab you must hate the game so much!

 

[sirretinee]

So Eromancer CAN provide Entertainment, in some way

Go figure the most fun thing Eromancer has done didn't involve their input in any way.

 

[Ironfoot]

Go figure the most fun thing Eromancer has done didn't involve their input in any way.

Yes it involved his input. If he wasn't such an incompetent dev we would never had made fun of him.

 

[KittyMaid]

The 95% you qualify as "pseudonumber" is comprised of B+C

That is the dumbest thing i ever heard, good lord lol
why would you have C who have not said anything? You can't just assumed "yes" when there is no solid input. If i gave a survey to 1000 people on this site asking if they were +18 and only 100 said yes, 200 said no, and 700 gave no answer am i going to assume 900 are +18? see how dumb that sounds? This why age verification is a requirement and not a choice, they need a definitive answer. Group C is not a definitive answer, so why are you assuming answers? You say i "strawman" and yet this is exactly what you are doing. "they give no answer. i count them as yes to make my number make sense." Group C also is composed of different memberships, to be on Discord you would have to be part of Inner Circle which is $10. Not everyone is paying that amount, you can still receive game updates at $5 but will not have access to Inner circle which is Discord. It says all this on their page how do you miss such an obvious thing? Who are the $5 members going to say no to? They'll show it by staying and without having to say anything. That means if i stayed on Patreon you would have classified me as a "sleeper" had i not voiced my opinion to you here, are you starting to see how ridiculous your logic is? You expect everyone who says to no come here so you get to see and only then becomes true? But even if we dig deeper into group C those who didn't answer probably didn't know of the SubStar campaign. After that, between that group you then have to see which truly didn't know and which are completely out of touch, those who are completely out of touch are most likely the true "Sleepers" because their lack of awareness exceed more than the SubStar campaign. Had this been a majority vote then yes, you favor the bigger side out of the total votes you recieve. However, that is not the case, he's not looking for a definitive "no" he is looking for a definitive "yes" which is why there is a goal meaning nothing is set in stone until the limit is reached. If you have interest you switch, and if you don't then you dismiss it. Ero said the game will continue either way meaning this is not a urge thing.
-I did read what you wrote you're saying its slower but by what metric? If you don't know these are the step on how content is made:
1.Concept art
2.High res sculpt
3.Low poly model
4.Materials and textures
5.Rigging
6.Animation
7.AI
8.Tons of testing for a real time action game with dynamic body morphs, visual damage, and real-time in-game H scenes

So the content that was added in 2022 was not on step 1, it instead had to revise step 6. For this year step 1 for Ring Girl didn't start that long ago, same with Spider enemies, it hasn't even been a year. I already went over this (again you don't listen) that content that is released is usually started from a year before. Characters like FemCop and Chain Splicers were re-released on 2022 but were already worked on 2021. Ring Girl doesn't have long history, Spider doesn't either, Bunny Oynx scene doesn't either, i was there seeing their first concept arts you can't tell me otherwise. The new Lab boss which is literally from our "Fan Suggestions" channel is now being worked on. So just because you don't get the content you wanted doesn't mean they aren't working, they are doing many things at once.

 

[Qianke]

another cash grab perhaps... will be ready in 4 to never years.

guys, what are you fighting over, the j***** was called out on the very first page of this thread lol, lmao even.

This should already be fait accompli long ago

 

[Yojimbo543]

That is the dumbest thing i ever heard, good lord lol
why would you have C who have not said anything? You can't just assumed "yes" when there is no solid input.

I DIDN'T SAY THEY SAID YES. I DIDN'T ASSUME THEY SAID YES. STOP TRYING TO STRAWMAN MY POINTS.
It doesn't make you look smart, it makes you seem to have a problem with basic comprehension. Perhaps english is not your 1st language?

I already explained that Subscribestar means cheaper, uncensored and faster development. It's not that those who didn't say/do anything mean yes, it's that they probably still believe they're supporting MatM. If they didn't voice their opinion, they're sleeping. But they still pay, and that's their "solid input".

If i gave a survey to 1000 people on this site asking if they were +18 and only 100 said yes, 200 said no, and 700 gave no answer am i going to assume 900 are +18? see how dumb that sounds? This why age verification is a requirement and not a choice, they need a definitive answer.

No, it would mean that 700 people didn't read the survey or didn't care to answer it.

Group C is not a definitive answer, so why are you assuming answers? You say i "strawman" and yet this is exactly what you are doing. "they give no answer. i count them as yes to make my number make sense." Group C also is composed of different memberships, to be on Discord you would have to be part of Inner Circle which is $10. Not everyone is paying that amount, you can still receive game updates at $5 but will not have access to Inner circle which is Discord. It says all this on their page how do you miss such an obvious thing? Who are the $5 members going to say no to? They'll show it by staying and without having to say anything. That means if i stayed on Patreon you would have classified me as a "sleeper" had i not voiced my opinion to you here, are you starting to see how ridiculous your logic is? You expect everyone who says to no come here so you get to see and only then becomes true?

I didn't miss the Inner Circle stuff. I don't expect anything. I didn't say any of that. You're arguing with yourself.

But even if we dig deeper into group C those who didn't answer probably didn't know of the SubStar campaign. After that, between that group you then have to see which truly didn't know and which are completely out of touch, those who are completely out of touch are most likely the true "Sleepers" because their lack of awareness exceed more than the SubStar campaign. Had this been a majority vote then yes, you favor the bigger side out of the total votes you recieve.

Exactly. He received more "votes" saying yes than "votes" saying no. More people moved to Subscribestar than people refused to move. Those who didn't say anything are sleeping.
And you're still missing the point. EROMANCER DOESN'T HAVE TO LEAVE PATREON. Just say that he's developing XXXIV (or for that matter, going back to MatM) and keep milking that easy money.

Ero said the game will continue either way meaning this is not a urge thing.

No shit! Of course it isn't urgent for him! He can get more money for releasing less content. He's done it for 10 years, so he can keep the facade for 10 more without breaking a sweat

-I did read what you wrote you're saying its slower but by what metric?

Released content. What it can be found in the changelogs is REAL. Enemies, backgrounds, H-animations, UI, gameplay...
Everything else is smoke and mirrors.

If you don't know these are the step on how content is made:
1.Concept art
2.High res sculpt
3.Low poly model
4.Materials and textures
5.Rigging
6.Animation
7.AI
8.Tons of testing for a real time action game with dynamic body morphs, visual damage, and real-time in-game H scenes

Yes, I'm familiar on how it works. You missed 1.5 (3D base model) but for the rest I agree to 1 to 7 for in-game enemies.
But 8? Nope. Tons of testing? That's a laugh!
If you remember, the difference between the $5 and $10 (aside from Discord access) used to be that each month would have 2 releases, one mid- and one end- month.
The mid-month release would have new content (only available for $10 and up) and the end-month would be the polished version of that (available for everyone). He did that for a couple months, but I guess that it was "too much work"
Now he only makes 1 release/month, on the last day, and most of the time he needs to patch a game-breaking bug a week later. EVEN WHEN THE "UPDATE" DIDN'T HAVE ANY REAL CONTENT.
I already posted his "apology" for Apr 2023 "underwhelming" content because he only had 3 weeks to work on it, as the first week was used to patch the Mar 2023 test release.
Also, H-scenes can be done from step 5 on. The Onyx+FemCop+MaleCop was done a year and a half before the MaleCop went through step 6 to 8
And there are dozens of enemies who could have H-animations because they've been on step 5 for years.

So the content that was added in 2022 was not on step 1, it instead had to revise step 6. For this year step 1 for Ring Girl didn't start that long ago, same with Spider enemies, it hasn't even been a year. I already went over this (again you don't listen) that content that is released is usually started from a year before. Characters like FemCop and Chain Splicers were re-released on 2022 but were already worked on 2021. Ring Girl doesn't have long history, Spider doesn't either, Bunny Oynx scene doesn't either, i was there seeing their first concept arts you can't tell me otherwise.

Again, you're arguing with yourself. It doesn't matter when the content goes though the pipeline, it matters when it's in the changelog. The Jan to Apr 2023 changelogs have nothing but smoke. And again, 2023, not 2022.
Also the spiders were an old concept art that was reposted (even the name you so proudly said it was you idea was a repost). Same with the bikers and many others.
And the Ring Girl is a side character for the Semi Boss Fight. And Semi has been AT LEAST in step 5 for 2 years now. Why waste time and money on a side character when the main Boss Fight is frozen indefinitely?
First make the Ring background stage. Then make the fight with Semi, and then, think about adding "more spice" like the Ring Girl.
And there are DOZENS of models that have been in step 5 or 6 FOR YEARS. Like the Splicer Pitbull Eromancer said he couldn't figure out how to set the AI.
WHY DOES EROMANCER KEEP POSTING NEW CONCEPT ART (STEP 1) WHEN THERE ARE DOZENS OF ENEMIES IN STEP 5 OR 6?
There are enemies that have been in those steps for more than 4 years. Where are they?

The new Lab boss which is literally from our "Fan Suggestions" channel is now being worked on. So just because you don't get the content you wanted doesn't mean they aren't working, they are doing many things at once.

What difference does it make? It won't be in game in more than 5 years anyway.
Where is the BadCop Boss announced 4 years ago? And the Robot Boss also announced 4 years ago? And the Spider Boss? And the Semi Ring Boss fight? And the sewers Boss? And the Dominatrix Boss fight?
It's not "the content I want". It's content, any content.
Eromancer keeps posting more "step 1" stuff and gullible people believe they're working on "the new shiny thing", when in reality there are 50+ enemies completely abandoned or "frozen".
And nothing of substance is added to the game. The changelogs don't lie.