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I just... i'm just not buying it.

From their Patreon:
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And yet this month, a month after the last update:
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However:
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What part about any of that says "likes to clear his bugs :3"?
Why is the key update this month broken?
I'm genuinely curious because you seem to have intimate knowledge of Eromancer's workflow.
Ok now show me what are you losing? What is he taking from you? It clearly says he may not have a new release, so it's not even a scam if he is literally warning you before you support. Are you going to force him to work now? If this was a legal matter he should be suing you for stealing his content. You have no ground to stand on at this point lmao
 

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Ok now show me what are you losing? What is he taking from you? It clearly says he may not have a new release, so it's not even a scam if he is literally warning you before you support. Are you going to force him to work now? If this was a legal matter he should be suing you for stealing his content. You have no ground to stand on at this point lmao
I'm not... losing/claiming to lose anything?
This was about you saying he does things a certain way, when there's ample evidence he doesn't do things that way at all.

"Eromancer does/likes to do X"
"No he literally doesn't based on his current/past behavior"
"Oh yeah, well he should SUE YOU."
Classic whataboutism.

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I'm not... losing/claiming to lose anything?
This was about you saying he does things a certain way, when there's ample evidence he doesn't do things that way at all.

"Eromancer does/likes to do X"
"No he literally doesn't based on his current/past behavior"
"Oh yeah, well he should SUE YOU."
Classic whataboutism.

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So you expect that clearing bugs is just a 1 time thing? No game in the world has had more bugs after clearing them. Wow you are so smart! sure label that "valid criticism" lmao
 
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So you expect that clearing bugs is just a 1 time thing?
Of course not, what gave you that idea?
This is the first update that has this feature, and it breaks the core gameplay loop.
"Enemies can do a thing now! Totes broke as hell tho, so watch out."
They could have just, I dunno, not released it in this update? Like, why even release the feature when, in the same update post, you are aware that it is broken.

So yeah, for a dev that claims to want to spend the extra time to release updates as free of bugs as possible, i'd say it's totally valid to call them out when they push an update that's broke as hell. Especially when the main feature of the update is the most broken thing.
 

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Someone wasn't here for the "working on fluids for 6 months straight" arc
they probably have an excuse for that as well

Of course not, what gave you that idea?
This is the first update that has this feature, and it breaks the core gameplay loop.
"Enemies can do a thing now! Totes broke as hell tho, so watch out."
They could have just, I dunno, not released it in this update? Like, why even release the feature when, in the same update post, you are aware that it is broken.

So yeah, for a dev that claims to want to spend the extra time to release updates as free of bugs as possible, i'd say it's totally valid to call them out when they push an update that's broke as hell. Especially when the main feature of the update is the most broken thing.
buddy it's no use. they know they cant take on any argument logically because they can't explain everything that way, so instead they will just dodge all kinds of valid points and criticism and direct the attack towards you or steer the argument somewhere else. refusing to tackle your points is just straight up trolling or plain stupid.
 
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Of course not, what gave you that idea?
This is the first update that has this feature, and it breaks the core gameplay loop.
"Enemies can do a thing now! Totes broke as hell tho, so watch out."
They could have just, I dunno, not released it in this update? Like, why even release the feature when, in the same update post, you are aware that it is broken.

So yeah, for a dev that claims to want to spend the extra time to release updates as free of bugs as possible, i'd say it's totally valid to call them out when they push an update that's broke as hell. Especially when the main feature of the update is the most broken thing.
Don't you mean the ONLY feature of the update? It's literally the only addition to the game. Everything else about the update was... what again? Fixes you say?!? Preposterous! That couldn't POSSIBLY be the case! KittyMaid would SURELY never steer us wrong!
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KittyMaid I'm sure there's some kind of online troll/simp training program you could enroll in.
 

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You say he repeats himself yet the this whole thread does the same exact thing.
The same goes for most of us if you're not noticing any of that yet. Including you.

So you expect that clearing bugs is just a 1 time thing?
If that bug gets rid of only one time, that'd be a sight to see, even from this game. Bonus point if it doesn't appear on future version(s).

Ok now show me what are you losing? What is he taking from you?
I don't lose any of this and he does not take anything from me, neither you nor everyone else here. Eromancer does. He takes a little bit of everyone's time and money and ended up losing a few of his patrons if they weren't satisfied with the results he makes. Though that's just my guess, take it with a pinch of salt.

He can take 20 years, he has no obligation to do anything he doesn't want. Idk why people got to be so weird about a game when they have given nothing up for it.
I mean, what's the point of arguing this shit anymore? Exposing the guy for his scams? Doing the same thing over and over again? The thread looks like Far Cry 3 already.

But, if it takes him 20 years to finish the game, let's assume this with your logic, how long it'd be for Pure Onyx to get a proper 4.5/5.0 rating? I would not complain if there are plans that I could read somewhere, you know? A changelog is good, but a plan (e.g. Trello post or something) is better for both parties here and elsewhere to understand where the game's going. Then again, would F95 still exist by the time the game's finished? Fate is a really harsh mistress, don't you ever forget that.

It would be saddeningly funny if 20 years spent on nothing but spare change. You spent a quarter of your life, dedicated to a project, but don't know when or where the burnout started to show itself and then call it quits.

It's not, i already explained. It's also so supporters can test it out themselves, oh yeah but you're just freeloading and not adding to the development meaning he wasn't taking you into consideration, how could he forget about the entitled F95 dweller
By making an account here, you're one of us, too. You're also entitled, in a way that you don't realize, I suppose.

And, even if we freeload the damn thing, you probably know where the versions are shared here. Even if he doesn't take us into consideration, does that automatically make our concerns invalid? If it is, well, then it sucks. I hope he doesn't claim that he's going to "listen to your feedback" but then when someone made a long-ass post about why the game sucks or which part that has become the weakest link in the game, he goes on the defensive and not addressing the issue in a professional manner.
 
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Well consider me sufficiently owned.


JK we'll ride this pain train until the mods step in.

You're not even reading what you write
Frankly, are you reading what I write?
Literally on this page this was brought up. Seven or so posts above.
Right here:
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What kind of mental gymnastics do you have to pull to read that and say "lol no it's the windup animations that are broken not the turn animations you braindead child lol"
Enemies are cancelling windup animations, with turn animations, to get free, instantaneous hits in.
Turn animations can override/cancel other animations which is breaking things, and so they are the problem.

But, you know what? Sure. Let's both pretend to agree that windup animations are the broken thing here.
If that's the case, they still were aware they were pushing a half-baked update with broken features.
And so i'll ask again:

Why even release it at all if they knew it was broken?
It's also so supporters can test it out themselves
Literally only supporters can test it out. These aren't early, known-to-be-buggy alpha builds you get because you're supporting at some higher tier or whatever; these are the releases you get as a supporter. The releases any and all tiers get. The releases they "might not release every month as they want them to be as bug-free as possible."
Forced, broken, updates aren't updates. We already go months without substantial content anyway, why not let an update cook a bit longer if you know it's broken?
 
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The same goes for most of us if you're not noticing any of that yet. Including you.


If that bug gets rid of only one time, that'd be a sight to see, even from this game. Bonus point if it doesn't appear on future version(s).


I don't lose any of this and he does not take anything from me, neither you nor everyone else here. Eromancer does. He takes a little bit of everyone's time and money and ended up losing a few of his patrons if they weren't satisfied with the results he makes. Though that's just my guess, take it with a pinch of salt.


I mean, what's the point of arguing this shit anymore? Exposing the guy for his scams? Doing the same thing over and over again? The thread looks like Far Cry 3 already.

But, if it takes him 20 years to finish the game, let's assume this with your logic, how long it'd be for Pure Onyx to get a proper 4.5/5.0 rating? I would not complain if there are plans that I could read somewhere, you know? A changelog is good, but a plan (e.g. Trello post or something) is better for both parties here and elsewhere to understand where the game's going. Then again, would F95 still exist by the time the game's finished? Fate is a really harsh mistress, don't you ever forget that.

It would be saddeningly funny if 20 years spent on nothing but spare change. You spent a quarter of your life, dedicated to a project, but don't know when or where the burnout started to show itself and then call it quits.


By making an account here, you're one of us, too. You're also entitled, in a way that you don't realize, I suppose.

And, even if we freeload the damn thing, you probably know where the versions are shared here. Even if he doesn't take us into consideration, does that automatically make our concerns invalid? If it is, well, then it sucks. I hope he doesn't claim that he's going to "listen to your feedback" but then when someone made a long-ass post about why the game sucks or which part that has become the weakest link in the game, he goes on the defensive and not addressing the issue in a professional manner.
1. My repetition is a result of yours
2. You reiterated my my bug comment
3. You wasted more time on this thread alone which Ero isn't even a part of, so you can not blame him for wasting your time when you already spend it so freely here. Ironically his Patreon as went up, and it's 3,365 as of now for future record.
4. You say "scam" but have no actual legal proof of such claim, other than personal opinion.
4b) He does not require a 4.5/5.0 rating, he is not a huge company that requires high ratings for sales. This project is a passion of his from the start. If F95 doesn't exist, ultimately it was only a luxury, each dev has a support page if you really want their content. "Fate is a really harsh mistress" is a chessy line people like to repeat that can apply to anything. Life, school, business, even game development can be "a harsh mistress".
4c) He can spend his life as he wants, we all as human have that freedom. If your life was under a examination I'm sure your results would be funny as well based on how much you already spent on this thread alone gaining nothing in the end, i can only imagine what else you do.
5. No i am not. I'm a part of the forum, but not you. I'm not entitled, I do not act as if i have a right to receive anything from a creator. I am not constantly begging for new content anywhere. I take only what's given, like picking a pennies off the ground. I also do give back to creators i enjoy such as Ero.
5b) I am well aware of having the luxury of getting free content, thus I try do not over step. I also don't DM people I disagree with, like people have done with me from this thread. I don't even report bugs because I know most devs aren't here, the most I do is ask for help. You say "valid concerns" but it's obvious your concerns are only fueled by spite and resentment towards Ero, you don't actual care about the game. He is making a fighting/sex game, not just a sex game which is what you're confusing. The point is to be able to enjoy a good fighting game, which are fast pace, thus it takes time to make it run smoothly at the rate of actions occurring at any given time. Yet when turn animations are added people complain. They just want more sex content, well you're looking up the wrong game if that's all you want. Bug fix are also inevitable, if they are ignored now they will keep affecting game until it becomes too much, there is no way around them.
 
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Well consider me sufficiently owned.


JK we'll ride this pain train until the mods step in.


Frankly, are you reading what I write?
Literally on this page this was brought up. Seven or so posts above.
Right here:
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What kind of mental gymnastics do you have to pull to read that and say "lol no it's the windup animations that are broken not the turn animations you braindead child lol"
Enemies are cancelling windup animations, with turn animations, to get free, instantaneous hits in.
Turn animations can override/cancel other animations which is breaking things, and so they are the problem.

But, you know what? Sure. Let's both pretend to agree that windup animations are the broken thing here.
If that's the case, they still were aware they were pushing a half-baked update with broken features.
And so i'll ask again:

Why even release it at all if they knew it was broken?

Literally only supporters can test it out. These aren't early, known-to-be-buggy alpha builds you get because you're supporting at some higher tier or whatever; these are the releases you get as a supporter. The releases any and all tiers get. The releases they "might not release every month as they want them to be as bug-free as possible."
Forced, broken, updates aren't updates. We already go months without substantial content anyway, why not let an update cook a bit longer if you know it's broken?
Again everything goes right over you, its like talking to my chickens, but even they listen better than you lol
What do turn animations do?
-They turn characters with an animation.
Are they turning with said animation?
- Yes
What's the issue?
-Windup animations are being cancelled
Lets not touch the windup animation at all, they don't need reprograming to accommodate the new animations. The bug is purely turn animation. Good Logic. If a new piece doesn't fit we butcher it until it does, rather then rearranging both pieces until they both fit.

"WhY eVeN rElEaSe iT aT aLl iF tTeY kNeW iT wAs bRoKeN"

Same reason a big game such as League of Legends releases new champions despite them being broken. Why do they have to keep revising old champions if the issues is with the new ones? Riot is a huge company, you would think they would get it right, but games are not as black and white as you put them. That's not reality, you're just delusional. They have x1000 the income and staff of Eromancer. Yet you expect him to get it right the first time or delay it, which people already complain about. You argue about a bug you don't even actually care about, you don't. I have a hard time believing that's what ruined the game for you. It's just your own personal feud with Ero, and now with me :3
 
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5. No i am not. I'm a part of the forum, but not you. I'm not entitled, I do not act as if i have a right to receive anything from a creator. I am not constantly begging for new content anywhere. I take only what's given, like picking a pennies off the ground. I also do give back to creators i enjoy such as Ero.
Okay, so, somehow I'm part of the "F95 Dweller" but not you. Tell me which part makes me one of them, please.

You say "scam" but have no actual legal proof of such claim, other than personal opinion.
I was saying "scam"? Yes, I did, but in the last post, I say in the form of a question "What do we even do here? Exposing his scams?" Meaning, I was asking whether or not there are scams to expose.
Here's my review of the game:
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Do you think I'm not sick of calling this a scam and keep parroting what people said again and again? I thought you were better than that. Hell, I was even questioning why is it a scam in the first place lately and why was it considered a scam since everyone's view about a scam is different. I dunno about you, but you seem to miss my point.

You wasted more time on this thread alone which Ero isn't even a part of, so you can not blame him for wasting your time when you already spend it so freely here. Ironically his Patreon as went up, and it's 3,365 as of now for future record.
Buddy, I would be very ecstatic to see your name on the notification had I spared my time just trying to sound fucking smart and wise when you're around... to be honest with you, seeing your name and previous comments, doesn't strike me as someone who really wanted to see both sides of the extremes and I really wonder why would you dedicate yourself to this forum thread than any other... despite watching the thread, I did not receive any notifications to it, so... I don't know who's the "Dweller" here. "Eugh, this guy again? How many times he appears on the show already?" is what probably what you and I had in mind when we see each other's name.

I'm gonna say this once: No, I don't think Eromancer owes me anything or is obliged to fulfill my demands. All I'm saying is, there are lots of people that don't have as much patience as I or a few of us here.

Oh, yeah, you left out the "planning" part of my previous comment, I wonder why. Care to tell me about that if Eromancer has such plans that can be accessed by most? Thanks.

If you can convince me about the planning part, consider it done for me. You seem to know a lot of things from Eromancer's side, so, it would be nice to be enlightened.
 

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4. You say "scam" but have no actual legal proof of such claim, other than personal opinion.
Scamomancer couldn't even complete a RPGmaker game and spent many years scamming people on Patron, before finally Abandoning it and going to his next SCAM PROJECT. That game was known as Malise and the Machine, maybe you are new or something but many users on here have been following him during that project and many people caught onto his SCAM TACTICS.

He has spent 4+ years on this game working on animations when RPGMAKER doesn't require as much effort at all. Though in those 4+ years he only can produce a game with a few stages along with a few enemy variations.

I find it FASCINATING that you DEFEND AND EXPECT HIM TO FINISH A LIVE ACTION COMBAT GAME when he COULDN'T EVEN GET DONE WITH AN RPGMAKER GAME which HE HAS SPENT EQUAL OR MORE TIME ON.

Really blows my fucking mind.

When there are other devs on here with games with much more content and some even in half the time and I am not talking about RPGmaker projects. I mean Unreal games like Carnal Desire(2018?) and then you have Wild Life which was maybe 2015 or so.

Also note that Unreal Engine games are more complex than Unity so don't even bother coming up with some excuse with 'but that's Unreal Engine and this is Unity.'

The others would be the Hounds of the - series. Though the dev does have a track record of abandoning his projects, funnily enough that person still produces far more content in some of his projects that Scamomancer, but I digress.

The Last Barbarian even has more content and it came out in a similar year. Also Unity project. Though lacking in some areas, but who is to say this isn't either heavily lacking in many fields as well. But it is again whatever.
 
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oh just in case someone bring up "it's legal so it's all good". dont you think it's way worse than actual illegal scamming? since they cannot be caught by law? just saying...
 

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Okay, so, somehow I'm part of the "F95 Dweller" but not you. Tell me which part makes me one of them, please.


I was saying "scam"? Yes, I did, but in the last post, I say in the form of a question "What do we even do here? Exposing his scams?" Meaning, I was asking whether or not there are scams to expose.
Here's my review of the game:
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Do you think I'm not sick of calling this a scam and keep parroting what people said again and again? I thought you were better than that. Hell, I was even questioning why is it a scam in the first place lately and why was it considered a scam since everyone's view about a scam is different. I dunno about you, but you seem to miss my point.


Buddy, I would be very ecstatic to see your name on the notification had I spared my time just trying to sound fucking smart and wise when you're around... to be honest with you, seeing your name and previous comments, doesn't strike me as someone who really wanted to see both sides of the extremes and I really wonder why would you dedicate yourself to this forum thread than any other... despite watching the thread, I did not receive any notifications to it, so... I don't know who's the "Dweller" here. "Eugh, this guy again? How many times he appears on the show already?" is what probably what you and I had in mind when we see each other's name.

I'm gonna say this once: No, I don't think Eromancer owes me anything or is obliged to fulfill my demands. All I'm saying is, there are lots of people that don't have as much patience as I or a few of us here.

Oh, yeah, you left out the "planning" part of my previous comment, I wonder why. Care to tell me about that if Eromancer has such plans that can be accessed by most? Thanks.

If you can convince me about the planning part, consider it done for me. You seem to know a lot of things from Eromancer's side, so, it would be nice to be enlightened.
No I do you think you're sick of calling this a scam, it's in your nature to be pessimistic. If you actually were you would drop it and get over it. He is a simple man trying to make his game work while ignoring the hateful comments, he has addressed this himself and even advised other new devs to keep away from such comments as it is not a healthy environment to be around while working. When a person feels that away its is no longer criticism but harassment. A scam is a fraud, and a fraud is a wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain. He is not deceiving me because he and his team let everyone on discord known what is currently going on. He said he would add 3x Vioreaper scene, he did. He said turn animations as well, he did. New Malice and Neo bodies were said to be in the work, they just finished them, now they can do "orthographic sketches of gear" whatever that means. So far he's been doing everything he said to me. I don't know where the scam is, unless you want to call "time" one, but he never promised a time frame. A real scam would be gacha games, you are literally gambling your money for a "chance" to earn something, and they deceive you into doing so. As someone once said "its called gacha because it's literally taking advantage on you, got ya!" yet people happily play Azue Lane, Epic Seven, i.e and waste a whole lot more money. Even Overwatch was the same with it's loot boxes, but because it was a "full complete game" with flashy animations no one noticed what was happening, finished games can still scam you.

If you're point is that you don't have patient then why do you keep lurking this thread? If I were fed up with something I would leave it and look for an alternative, but you remain here arguing so yes you do have lots of patients.
I know so much because I support him and I'm part of his discord.

Oh and yes I did forget to mention the planning thing he doesn't use something like Trello because he finds it easier to link stuff on discord. So instead he has a whole server for "TODO/BugFixes" with channels for each segment (programming , sound, ect.) and he checks stuff off things as he finishes them and has icon legends to show what each check/color means for us.

Currently he is now working on 2 new enemies, I won't say what they are but he asked for names and currently he likes one of mine! I prey he keeps it :3
None of this info was given to me, rather than sit and complain I instead searched for answers myself rather then dwell in the past. I gave him my support knowing and wiling to take a chance that I could get scammed and I got the answers I was looking for and I remain a supporter now. He's also mention today how he is understaffed, but strong talent is hard to come by as they can earn way more working at an AAA job. So there's no way of accelerating the workflow. People forget games are art, and art can NOT be rushed, as you're manifesting a creation from your imagination that doesn't exist into realty, which require a lot of thought and planning in itself. Plus you have a whole life to live outside of that, our bodies aren't design to sit around all day, slowly our physical and mental health will deteriorate, which is a reoccurring issue amongst devs/artist/animators and the reason some leave and don't return for awhile or at all.
 

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Scamomancer couldn't even complete a RPGmaker game and spent many years scamming people on Patron, before finally Abandoning it and going to his next SCAM PROJECT. That game was known as Malise and the Machine, maybe you are new or something but many users on here have been following him during that project and many people caught onto his SCAM TACTICS.

He has spent 4+ years on this game working on animations when RPGMAKER doesn't require as much effort at all. Though in those 4+ years he only can produce a game with a few stages along with a few enemy variations.

I find it FASCINATING that you DEFEND AND EXPECT HIM TO FINISH A LIVE ACTION COMBAT GAME when he COULDN'T EVEN GET DONE WITH AN RPGMAKER GAME which HE HAS SPENT EQUAL OR MORE TIME ON.

Really blows my fucking mind.

When there are other devs on here with games with much more content and some even in half the time and I am not talking about RPGmaker projects. I mean Unreal games like Carnal Desire(2018?) and then you have Wild Life which was maybe 2015 or so.

Also note that Unreal Engine games are more complex than Unity so don't even bother coming up with some excuse with 'but that's Unreal Engine and this is Unity.'

The others would be the Hounds of the - series. Though the dev does have a track record of abandoning his projects, funnily enough that person still produces far more content in some of his projects that Scamomancer, but I digress.

The Last Barbarian even has more content and it came out in a similar year. Also Unity project. Though lacking in some areas, but who is to say this isn't either heavily lacking in many fields as well. But it is again whatever.
The MATM no longer fit the expectation for what Ero wanted, RPGmaker simply wasn't enough anymore. So why bother continuing a project you will eventually have to reboot, might as well start on the new project. Which is what Pure Onyx is, its based on the same world of MATM, it serves as the foundation for it's relaunch. His team and funding was also far smaller back then.

Also since when did this become a race? What kind of childish thought process is that? If there are better games then why did you return to a "scam" game? Nobody called your name. As much of a "scam" as you think it is, you still feel the need to check up on it, ironic. There's also far better people than you, does that mean I can start shitting on you because I fine others better? Since we are comparing skillsets why haven't you gone to the moon? Chris Hadfield did it, he is also a musician and much older than you. Idk your age but I highly doubt you're older, which means your body should be healthier and your mind sharper. Yet he's made a bigger name for himself than you. See how stupid that sounds comparing people's qualities like products? They are humans you untamed animal, not everyone is going have the same knowledge or learn at the same rate. There are people in his team that have never made a game before and are learning as they go because he needs the help he can get.

But Mr. Daveoverhere comes with his little papers of stats and thinks its that simple because he read about it "UnReAl EnGiNe gAmEs aRe mOrE cOmPlEx tHaN UnItY" easy to say when you have done nothing yourself. Unity is not the only software they use, how do you think they make their 3D characters? New flash they use MAYA for that, meaning that's a whole new separate program you have to learn, Unity won't do that for you alone. You come in clueless not even knowing wtf is going on, but quick to make judgements because that's easy, you only do what's easy.

You compare it to Wild Life, yet you don't mention how they x6 income meaning they are able to hire a much larger team and have a whole game studio with co-founders meaning 2 people in charge, not 1. It's also much easier to have a more work done and faster to transfers files between one another when you have a whole game studio, but none of that is cheap. Meanwhile Ero and his team are scattered over the world some occasionally without power due to war, but sure lets kick someone when they're down.
You have all these stats and leave out the important ones to report your fake news, and paint Ero in a bad light.
 
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