VN Ren'Py Race of Life [Act 1 v1.03] [Underground Studio]

[Krytax123]

Clearly, you are conflating the character that is the MC with you, the player. Yes, as the player, you can dislike her character and think she is "harassing" you by continuing to try for a deeper relationship when you, the player, clearly don't want anything to do with her.

Haha youre very obviously doing exactly what you described. Its Jake's very own POV that shows him not interested in any kind of deeper relationship, its the player who is able to change this.

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This is where media literacy comes into play. Take a step back and actually think about what's happening. She is not some random woman that is stalking MC and "forcing" him to do some shit she wants. They are something in between a fwb and a casual couple. How close to either side of that spectrum depends on the choices you make for MC. When she says that he never wants to introduce his family or let their relationship be known in public, MC doesn't deny that they have a relationship. To MC, it's a casual thing. A casual relationship is still something more than fwb. Relationships are a two way street and requires compromise and understanding.

But in a relationship where the two parties want different things, it's bound to veer off course, and that's what happens. No one is to blame, other than maybe both of them not ironing out the details of their relationship clearly, and sooner.

When you pick choices to blow her off or be inattentive to her needs, and just act callous in general, you, the player, is signalling that you want nothing to do with her. But MC, the character, is not at that mindset. He isn't trying to remove a stalker. He isn't trying to stop "harassment." He is just going through some shit, and is kind of an asshole if you let him be, and he is just not letting her in. Their complicated relationship is still a thing. So when this relationship that was rocky from the start and would be doomed in basically any route that isn't focusing on V, does end up not working out, it is what it is. She isn't some raging bitch that you conjured up in your head.

You call it being "inattentive to her needs" or even "callous" when i would call it being direct and not creating false hope. The MC is very much in that mindset until you change it as the player.

Which is of course fine but implying its only on the player when its Jake's very core mindset is kinda gaga. Its okay to like her without trying to convince other people of her greatness and to endure other people disliking her lmao

 

[desmosome]

Haha youre very obviously doing exactly what you described. Its Jake's very own POV that shows him not interested in any kind of deeper relationship, its the player who is able to change this.

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You call it being "inattentive to her needs" or even "callous" when i would call it being direct and not creating false hope. The MC is very much in that mindset until you change it as the player.

Which is of course fine but implying its only on the player when its Jake's very core mindset is kinda gaga. Its okay to like her without trying to convince other people of her greatness and to endure other people disliking her lmao

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Lol I tried to get on the bugged 'cheating on Veronica with Jas' route and mostly picked middle choices for V throughout the game. I just don't have a terribly MC-centric view of the story like most of you arguing about LIs seem to have. Not just for this game, but it's a common theme across any game that leans towards drama.

I still remember the people shitting on that ugly gf from Three Rules of Life because she didn't drop everything in her life (including a career defining concert, AFAIK) and rush to console the MC when his mother walked out on him. Typical takes on F95zone.

 

[Krytax123]

Lol I tried to get on the bugged 'cheating on Veronica with Jas' route and mostly picked middle choices for V throughout the game. I just don't have a terribly MC-centric view of the story like most of you arguing about LIs seem to have. Not just for this game, but it's a common theme across any game that leans towards drama.

I still remember the people shitting on that ugly gf from Three Rules of Life because she didn't drop everything in her life (including a career defining concert, AFAIK) and rush to console the MC when his mother walked out on him. Typical takes on F95zone.

Both things i posted were in the very beginning on the game before any kind of cheating.

I dont think you have to have a mc-centric view to dislike a LI i would even argue its the opposite. Most people who seem to strongly dislike Veronica seem to like Allison (who badmouths and attacks the MC way more than Veronica) and furthermore seem to consider the MC to be at least somewhat of an asshole for what he did in the past and still does.

Its just different preferences for different personalitys and looks, simple as that. And flaws are part of these personalitys and create better characters and the LI's better than generic wish-fullfiment cardboads, of course everyone weights these flaws differently.

And this is completly fine, nobody is meant or supposed to like every single LI presented in a story and even less in non-harem storys, thats why the player has the choice.

Whats so bad about banter over LI's, its not like we have to discuss thiiiiiiiiiis much here otherwise and usually its quite fun(ny).

I think its way stranger when people seem to be allergic or defensive about other posters making fun of LI's or disliking them, whats the big deal? I really like allison and the relationship development between the two for example as its so unique but i really couldnt give less of a fuck about other players disliking her ( i heard "nagging bitch" quite a lot )

Thats why the avn gives the player the choice to chose a desperate fatty over allison for example if it fits their (weird) tastes better

 

[noctarima]

Clearly, you are conflating the character that is the MC with you, the player. Yes, as the player, you can dislike her character and think she is "harassing" you by continuing to try for a deeper relationship when you, the player, clearly don't want anything to do with her.

This is where media literacy comes into play. Take a step back and actually think about what's happening. She is not some random woman that is stalking MC and "forcing" him to do some shit she wants. They are something in between a fwb and a casual couple. How close to either side of that spectrum depends on the choices you make for MC. When she says that he never wants to introduce his family or let their relationship be known in public, MC doesn't deny that they have a relationship. To MC, it's a casual thing. A casual relationship is still something more than fwb. Relationships are a two way street and requires compromise and understanding.

But in a relationship where the two parties want different things, it's bound to veer off course, and that's what happens. No one is to blame, other than maybe both of them not ironing out the details of their relationship clearly, and sooner.

When you pick choices to blow her off or be inattentive to her needs, and just act callous in general, you, the player, is signalling that you want nothing to do with her. But MC, the character, is not at that mindset. He isn't trying to remove a stalker. He isn't trying to stop "harassment." He is just going through some shit, and is kind of an asshole if you let him be, and he is just not letting her in. Their complicated relationship is still a thing. So when this relationship that was rocky from the start and would be doomed in basically any route that isn't focusing on V, does end up not working out, it is what it is. She isn't some raging bitch that you conjured up in your head.

According to Cambridge dicitonary,



And I'm sure as shit that forcing (if you're bothered by the word "forcing" too, think "trying to convince" instead, same sh*t) someone into a relationship countless times when he explicitly said on numerous occasion that he does not want anything more is a "behaviour that annoys or upsets someone". No matter the current standing of their dynamic (dynamic, not a real relationship)

Just because she's nice if you play it her way, doesn't make her any less stingy in other ways. There may be some paths that you can do what V wants and everythings okay but there isn't a path where you can just make her fuck off without a drama.

 

[xXwankerXx]

So... you're saying you hate this woman?

Yep... things might change in the future tho. Never denied she was physically attractive.... if only her personality matched the looks, is all I'm saying.

Allie was wronged by the MC, so her treatment towards him is reasonable. She softens up after she sees his efforts after Lily's accident.

Again and again you peeps only prove my point, which is lack of objectivity toward basic facts presented, specifically stated and even her own admission in the story, but y'all keep arguing for the sake of having something to argue about. This is called simping 101, not critical thinking.

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The opposite is true of V. She starts off soft, then after the accident, she presses the MC on commitment while complaining they don't spend enough time together. Not like he has more pressing issues, like earning money for his comatose daughter's treatment or anything.

One doesn't cancel out the other, if we think about it. And she's actively involved in his potentially game-changing battery project doing all she can on her romance path to help her man succeed and become a millionaire $$$... pull another lie out of your hat for me, cuz this one isn't working.

I admit I was a V fan, not anymore tho. Will only play her romance path for the new content. This update and the devs constantly making a clingy, needy bipolar fool of herself killed every single romantic interest I had in her and am now on the Jasmine-Maggie-Natalya best wifey bandwagon waiting to see how they screw up Maggie's and Natalya's characters too so Jasmine can win the competition.

I think he's saying he wants to fuck her. I agree!
I know that's not what he actually meant though...

Well... this isn't what I meant, but it'd be impolite to refuse a request like this coming from a lady in need for a helping hand and something more, so sure, why not. But only cuz I see it as a chore, nothing more than that.

 

[byaaahh]

Again and again you peeps only prove my point, which is lack of objectivity toward basic facts presented, specifically stated and even her own admission in the story, but y'all keep arguing for the sake of having something to argue about. This is called simping 101, not critical thinking.

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One doesn't cancel out the other, if we think about it. And she's actively involved in his potentially game-changing battery project doing all she can on her romance path to help her man succeed and become a millionaire $$$... pull another lie out of your hat for me, cuz this one isn't working.

I admit I was a V fan, not anymore tho. Will only play her romance path for the new content. This update and the devs constantly making a clingy, needy bipolar fool of herself killed every single romantic interest I had in her and am now on the Jasmine-Maggie-Natalya best wifey bandwagon waiting to see how they screw up Maggie's and Natalya's characters too so Jasmine can win the competition.

HE cheated. If he was unhappy in his marriage, he could have separated. Instead he chose to remain married, cheat with someone they both worked with. Not only that, he then tried to conceal it and lied to his friends who believed him, which when it turned to be true, fractured Allie's friendship with Coop and Cammie.
His actions led to her losing friends and her being pitied by her colleagues, so yeah, she had every right to be pissed.

As for V, her involvement in the project boils down to formatting the documentation.

I'd imagine the last thing someone needs when their child has an accident and is in a coma, is for a casual fling to start applying pressure about committing, compounding the already stressful situation over something that could wait a few months.

 

[adanu]

HE cheated. If he was unhappy in his marriage, he could have separated. Instead he chose to remain married, cheat with someone they both worked with. Not only that, he then tried to conceal it and lied to his friends who believed him, which when it turned to be true, fractured Allie's friendship with Coop and Cammie.
His actions led to her losing friends and her being pitied by her colleagues, so yeah, she had every right to be pissed.

As for V, her involvement in the project boils down to formatting the documentation.

I'd imagine the last thing someone needs when their child has an accident and is in a coma, is for a casual fling to start applying pressure about committing, compounding the already stressful situation over something that could wait a few months.

When you feel trapped and don't know how to get out, you find outlets and ways to deal with your frustration. People are not perfect, they never will be, but saying he 'chose' to remain married in his mental state is asinine.

 

[Miranha157]

How do I unlock this scene? I've already done Alisson's route, Jamine solo, Verônica, shooting everywhere and I didn't get this scene.

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[pitao]

How do I unlock this scene? I've already done Alisson's route, Jamine solo, Verônica, shooting everywhere and I didn't get this scene.

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A question made a "million times" already . Sauna scene have 2 variations, in both Natalya has to go to the conference. In one of the variations you are in a romantic route with Jasmine by doing the celebration sex scene with Jas in the end of the version 3.1 after the race. The other variation is if you don't enter the romantic route with Jas by not doing that same scene, don't take the "titty champagne" sip or simply don't go celebrate with her.

Edit: I actually got your missing scene on my main playthrough because in that one my "route" is in favor of Natalya, where practically the MC is a manwhore who gets into every sex scene he can including the side girls except if the scene warns me I'm locking in some other character romantic route, and since I use the multi mod and when available and updated the MrBubu pdf WT, and in the mod it warns that getting that scene after the race I enter Jasmine route , Jasmine solo is my 2nd playthrough so did that scene on that one. Yep I'm one of those weird players that his favorite LI is Natalya (I'm free as a bird until Nat decides that wants a relationship if she will ever hahaha), followed by Jasmine ofc and then the sweet Maggie leaving for last Veronica and Allison for the reasons I explained more than once before on this same thread . The other girls for now I consider them side girls.

If you need translation I'm from Portugal and speak Portuguese so I can DM you anything you don't understand, since I noticed you play with the game translated.

 

[byaaahh]

When you feel trapped and don't know how to get out, you find outlets and ways to deal with your frustration. People are not perfect, they never will be, but saying he 'chose' to remain married in his mental state is asinine.

Except he wasn't trapped. If his wife wasn't giving him what he wanted and refused to communicate or compromise, just walk away. He had a good job, could have left his wife anytime he wanted, got his own place and sorted out co-parenting.

Instead, he chose the nuclear option of having an affair with someone that worked with him and his wife, resulting in him losing his job, his marriage and damaging his wife's friendship with Cammie because he lied to Coop.

I'm kinda worried about society, when you betray someone and a lot of voices are like "but he/she wasn't happy, so it's not solely his/her fault".

 

[ModiThorrson]

Except he wasn't trapped. If his wife wasn't giving him what he wanted and refused to communicate or compromise, just walk away. He had a good job, could have left his wife anytime he wanted, got his own place and sorted out co-parenting.

Instead, he chose the nuclear option of having an affair with someone that worked with him and his wife, resulting in him losing his job, his marriage and damaging his wife's friendship with Cammie because he lied to Coop.

I'm kinda worried about society, when you betray someone and a lot of voices are like "but he/she wasn't happy, so it's not solely his/her fault".

Agreed, I have no sympathy for cheaters irl. There are plenty of mature options to take, even if you aren't happy you can at least treat your spouse like a human being and leave rather than betray.

 

[Krytax123]

Except he wasn't trapped. If his wife wasn't giving him what he wanted and refused to communicate or compromise, just walk away. He had a good job, could have left his wife anytime he wanted, got his own place and sorted out co-parenting.

Instead, he chose the nuclear option of having an affair with someone that worked with him and his wife, resulting in him losing his job, his marriage and damaging his wife's friendship with Cammie because he lied to Coop.

I'm kinda worried about society, when you betray someone and a lot of voices are like "but he/she wasn't happy, so it's not solely his/her fault".

Its useless to argue with them about it, they prefer to close their eyes about it.

They would 1000% agree with you if the situation would be the other way around (a LI having cheated on the MC in the past) but they cant stand being the one to blame in this avn. its hilarious

All these guys excusing the cheating would go nuclear on a LI who would have cheated on the MC no matter the circumstances.

They behave like the possibility of breaking up didnt exist lol. And getting a divorce because youre caught cheating wont help you with the judge lol

 

[Miranha157]

A question made a "million times" already . Sauna scene have 2 variations, in both Natalya has to go to the conference. In one of the variations you are in a romantic route with Jasmine by doing the celebration sex scene with Jas in the end of the version 3.1 after the race. The other variation is if you don't enter the romantic route with Jas by not doing that same scene, don't take the "titty champagne" sip or simply don't go celebrate with her.

Edit: I actually got your missing scene on my main playthrough because in that one my "route" is in favor of Natalya, where practically the MC is a manwhore who gets into every sex scene he can including the side girls except if the scene warns me I'm locking in some other character romantic route, and since I use the multi mod and when available and updated the MrBubu pdf WT, and in the mod it warns that getting that scene after the race I enter Jasmine route , Jasmine solo is my 2nd playthrough so did that scene on that one. Yep I'm one of those weird players that his favorite LI is Natalya (I'm free as a bird until Nat decides that wants a relationship if she will ever hahaha), followed by Jasmine ofc and then the sweet Maggie leaving for last Veronica and Allison for the reasons I explained more than once before on this same thread . The other girls for now I consider them side girls.

If you need translation I'm from Portugal and speak Portuguese so I can DM you anything you don't understand, since I noticed you play with the game translated.

Interesting, I'm thinking about making a save with Nat's route and another with Maggie too, thanks friend, if you can later make your pdf with the routes available I'd appreciate it because I rarely play with mods.

 

[pitao]

Interesting, I'm thinking about making a save with Nat's route and another with Maggie too, thanks friend, if you can later make your pdf with the routes available I'd appreciate it because I rarely play with mods.

There is a great PDF Walkthrough in the OP from MrBubu, it is in a diagram style, for me is easier to read and understand and even backtrack on some variable using the search you can use on pdf's, of course if you play always in Portuguese it can be a problem, personally I always play this games in English. Some may have to get used to the style of it but once you get how they work you won't want to use any other style . The link is in the Opening Post by "PDF Walkthrough" but I'll put here a fast link for you https://f95zone.to/threads/race-of-life-ep-3-2-extra-fix3-underground-studio.130096/post-11824061

 

[adanu]

Except he wasn't trapped. If his wife wasn't giving him what he wanted and refused to communicate or compromise, just walk away. He had a good job, could have left his wife anytime he wanted, got his own place and sorted out co-parenting.

Instead, he chose the nuclear option of having an affair with someone that worked with him and his wife, resulting in him losing his job, his marriage and damaging his wife's friendship with Cammie because he lied to Coop.

I'm kinda worried about society, when you betray someone and a lot of voices are like "but he/she wasn't happy, so it's not solely his/her fault".

If you honestly think this, you don't understand the male mentality when it comes to dealing with women in the modern age.

I'm worried about society too, when people like you expect people to confront all their fears at once, like a goddamn robot.

 

[Ilhares]

I'm worried about society too, when people like you expect people to confront all their fears at once, like a goddamn robot.

I can see both sides. I can also forgive a lot, but if you betray me, you're done. There's no 2nd chances, it's over and you're gone.

That said, a hard dick has no conscience. Men are impacted by their hormones no less so than women, who have literally used their period to get away with murder. Why are men held to the higher standards of behavior?

 

[xXwankerXx]

HE cheated. If he was unhappy in his marriage, he could have separated. Instead he chose to remain married, cheat with someone they both worked with

he then tried to conceal it and lied to his friends who believed him, which when it turned to be true, fractured Allie's friendship with Coop and Cammie.

If his wife wasn't giving him what he wanted and refused to communicate or compromise, just walk away. He had a good job, could have left his wife anytime he wanted, got his own place and sorted out co-parenting.

even if you aren't happy you can at least treat your spouse like a human being and leave rather than betray

Again with the 'simply walk-away and throw everything out the window in the process' argument ?? Let me repeat myself here, good luck using this kinda bullshit in court and still hoping to win the case. At worst, even the judge will laugh his ass off hearing this nonsensical excuse and favor the wife, and if you unlucky enough to stand before a female judge, well, just keep hoping she ain't a feminist. Just a lil something to think about.

Understand this kids, MC and Allison's divorce is something that has happened and, sadly, still happens IRL a lot, and the same reason that led to Allison divorcing the MC here is invoked in most cases as a convenient excuse for a quick separation or a quick cash grab, depending on who the couple is and how much $$$ the two of them have.

I do agree that the MC should've divorced her first before hooking up with other women, since he ain't exactly the richest guy in his own damn neighborhood to make losing half of his shit that much of a problem for him, not being able to spend as much time as he wanted to with his daughter however, is a legit concern to why divorcing Allison wasn't a good idea.

Many real couples seem to forget this and just proceed with the divorce without second-guessing their decision and how it would impact their children's future, but in our story, the MC obviously only stayed for Lily. This is why that spiteful bitch did everything she could to keeping him away from her as much as possible and also threatened to take Lily away so he won't see her again. If you guys wanna call this rational behavior from an adult or something a true mother would do, I say we end this conversation here, cuz it's pointless to continue it.

As for V, her involvement in the project boils down to formatting the documentation.

Might wanna replay the game and focus on her path instead of ignoring it and throwing stones at the character for the lolz. I assure you she did way more than that, while Allison was forced to tolerate the MC for their daughter's sake. Don't pretend she'd give a flying fuck about Jake's mean lil battery on steroids side hustle if Lily wasn't in the delicate situation she's in.

His actions led to her losing friends and her being pitied by her colleagues, so yeah, she had every right to be pissed.

It's not worse than the bitch doing her best to prevent him to see his daughter, openly insulting him in front of her and threatening to take her away so he won't see her again. Unless you tell me that her precious "friends" and colleagues' opinion about her is more important than her daughter's future, mental health and wellbeing, I'd say it's a W for me here.

Also, no actual 'friend' on this planet would cut ties with someone, be they man or woman, who got cheated on. No, only an idiot or a very insensitive, narrow-minded fuck would do that. A real friend who deserves to be called that would offer their full emotional support and try to do everything they can to help this person, not gossip behind their back or stop talking to them. At least, that's how I see it and exactly what I'd do for someone I call a friend who went through this delicate problem.

I have no sympathy for cheaters irl.

Sure hope you're not a V hater, cuz you'd be contradicting and trolling yourself if you were. Just sayin'. You'll find in the story, on her path why I said this and why I think she gets way too much negativity than she really deserves.

Its useless to argue with them about it

All these guys excusing the cheating

They behave like the possibility of breaking up didnt exist

So, you ppl hate cheaters and cheating in general, even when the ppl you try to defend have a part of the blame in the cheating, defend a spiteful bitch like Allison, who, apparently, is always the victim, but go all nuclear on V for being cheated on and/or potentially used as recreational one-night stand or casual fling at least a few times before ?? Lol, make it make sense, cuz math ain't mathing here at all.

I understand not liking her body proportions and/or her sometimes immature jealous outbursts, clingy, desperate and unreasonably insecure personality cuz of tastes and preferences, but when claiming to hate cheaters soo much, you automatically imply you sympathize with the person who got cheated on and think they deserve all the love and support they can get, and funny enough you then proceed to bash, troll and humiliate a character that's exactly this, an actual victim of cheating and/or at least one abusive relationship. It don't make sense, bois. There's an obvious double standard in this logic of yours.

 

[ModiThorrson]

Again with the 'simply walk-away and throw everything out the window in the process' argument ?? Let me repeat myself here, good luck using this kinda bullshit in court and still hoping to win the case. At worst, even the judge will laugh his ass off hearing this nonsensical excuse and favor the wife, and if you unlucky enough to stand before a female judge, well, just keep hoping she ain't a feminist. Just a lil something to think about.

Understand this kids, MC and Allison's divorce is something that has happened and, sadly, still happens IRL a lot, and the same reason that led to Allison divorcing the MC here is invoked in most cases as a convenient excuse for a quick separation or a quick cash grab, depending on who the couple is and how much $$$ the two of them have.

I do agree that the MC should've divorced her first before hooking up with other women, since he ain't exactly the richest guy in his own damn neighborhood to make losing half of his shit that much of a problem for him, not being able to spend as much time as he wanted to with his daughter however, is a legit concern to why divorcing Allison wasn't a good idea.

Many real couples seem to forget this and just proceed with the divorce without second-guessing their decision and how it would impact their children's future, but in our story, the MC obviously only stayed for Lily. This is why that spiteful bitch did everything she could to keeping him away from her as much as possible and also threatened to take Lily away so he won't see her again. If you guys wanna call this rational behavior from an adult or something a true mother would do, I say we end this conversation here, cuz it's pointless to continue it.



Might wanna replay the game and focus on her path instead of ignoring it and throwing stones at the character for the lolz. I assure you she did way more than that, while Allison was forced to tolerate the MC for their daughter's sake. Don't pretend she'd give a flying fuck about Jake's mean lil battery on steroids side hustle if Lily wasn't in the delicate situation she's in.



It's not worse than the bitch doing her best to prevent him to see his daughter, openly insulting him in front of her and threatening to take her away so he won't see her again. Unless you tell me that her precious "friends" and colleagues' opinion about her is more important than her daughter's future, mental health and wellbeing, I'd say it's a W for me here.

Also, no actual 'friend' on this planet would cut ties with someone, be they man or woman, who got cheated on. No, only an idiot or a very insensitive, narrow-minded fuck would do that. A real friend who deserves to be called that would offer their full emotional support and try to do everything they can to help this person, not gossip behind their back or stop talking to them. At least, that's how I see it and exactly what I'd do for someone I call a friend who went through this delicate problem.



Sure hope you're not a V hater, cuz you'd be contradicting and trolling yourself if you were. Just sayin'. You'll find in the story, on her path why I said this and why I think she gets way too much negativity than she really deserves.





So, you ppl hate cheaters and cheating in general, even when the ppl you try to defend have a part of the blame in the cheating, defend a spiteful bitch like Allison, who, apparently, is always the victim, but go all nuclear on V for being cheated on and/or potentially used as recreational one-night stand or casual fling at least a few times before ?? Lol, make it make sense, cuz math ain't mathing here at all.

I understand not liking her body proportions and/or her sometimes immature jealous outbursts, clingy, desperate and unreasonably insecure personality cuz of tastes and preferences, but when claiming to hate cheaters soo much, you automatically imply you sympathize with the person who got cheated on and think they deserve all the love and support they can get, and funny enough you then proceed to bash, troll and humiliate a character that's exactly this, an actual victim of cheating and/or at least one abusive relationship. It don't make sense, bois. There's an obvious double standard in this logic of yours.

this is adorable, just accept that people disagree with you and move on

 

[byaaahh]

this is adorable, just accept that people disagree with you and move on

His whole thing boils down to "If he divorced her, he'd lose half his shit". It's funny because the cheating led to divorce and his ex-wife despising him and using his actions to alienate his daughter.

I'm done here, it's pushing into "his wife is his property" territory. The man could do no wrong, it's his wife's fault, he had to go elsewhere for pussy.

 

[Dessolos]

this is adorable, just accept that people disagree with you and move on

and this is the reason I rarely like to talk about V vs Allie anymore in this thread at least when he shows up. I will usually state my opinion at times and rarely get involved beyond 1-3 replies. Instead of having a mild disagreement or discussion he always turns it into something more than it needs to be ( a Allie Vs V war) because of his hatred for Allie