VN Ren'Py Race of Life [Ep. 3.2 Extra Fix3] [Underground Studio]

[byaaahh]

You miss the Jas+Nat sauna scene variation if you are not in a romantic path with Jasmine (see posts above, you need not to see the sex scene with Jasmine after the race in the end of version 3.1). The following two scenes are Veronica scene with 2 variations, one if you are faithful to her in the scene before getting a romantic scene with V(if you didn't went to the sauna and got the scene with Jas+Nat or if you stay in the bar for more drinks leading to the scene with Vanessa that works in the hotel, that is actually the scene in the gallery after the solo one with Jasmine), and if you cheated on V you get a more fired up sex scene with V. The last two I didn't reach it yet so someone else can help you, but I guess one of them is with Maggie(?) for what I read before in the thread.

Last 2, one is Vanessa, the other is Allie shower peep

 

[Krytax123]

So are we just excusing the MC then for getting blowjobs from Nat, hitting on students, and so on with others, while his daughter is in a coma.

Veronica is not evil or bad, or selfish, I would argue the MC is worst, his own daughter is in the coma, but he is fine to fuck around, but Veronica wanting realtionship is bad, especially when she didn't the know the full story for a good while.

Uhm how does Veronica behaving shitty correlates to you taking choices to the MC behaving "shitty"? I dont really get your line of thought. But maybe it helps him to decompress or something when you play him like that, i dunno.

Are you arguing: the mc is/can be an asshole so his LI should be an asshole too?

Veronica knows about what happened about 40h afterwards, really soon.

That's be beauty of having to surmise. We don't know what her motivations are as we don't get to see her thoughts. And I'm glad I don't have that power in this game. I'm not a huge fan of games where the MC has some magical ESP and can "hear" exactly what other characters are thinking of. It leaves room for me to interpret what I read.

For me, I have my past experiences, personality, emotions, life events, and reactions to the world. Everyone else looks at the same scenario and sees something slightly or completely different. Especially as it's not clearly stated what's going on so we go with what we know. It's a very common perception thing, and why written word is so very often misunderstood.



Wow, talk about putting everyone into the same basic perception/understanding you have. Please read my above post. You're taking this way too personally for her motive which is NOT stated in black and white.

She asked for clarification long before the accident, and several other times. It's not the lynchpin catalyst you are making it out to be. I've decline her at that time, and she doesn't storm off and leave. For whatever reason, that we are not made privy to, she feels that's a good time to bring it up. She doesn't officially put things on "take a break" and leave town until you decline going on the hike with her.

But like I said in the above quote, you are reading between the lines and interpreting it one way, and I'm doing the same and coming to a slightly different conclusion. Every other person playing will get something slightly different out of it as well.

She gives no indication that she has malicious motives in what she said, and assuming motives often leads to more false assumptions than correct. That's why the written word is so often badly misinterpreted and arguments ensue.

Come on, i was obviously exaggerating a bit and its obviously very unlikely that she acted out of malice, she was emotional and hurt and thats why she acted like that.

The thing is, it doesnt really matter, she still did it.

She should be empathetic enough to be aware that her feelings and cravings come second in this situation, unconditional help is required and not pushy expectations in a situation like that. No matter the reason for these expectations, it can wait a few weeks in a time like that. They had a fuckbuddy relationship for 6 months already, a few weeks more or less doesnt matter.

Shes a mature fucking college professor, she should have the brains to be able to realise that, shes not a over-emotional girl being the first time in love unable to think straight.

 

[MagicMan753]

Uhm how does Veronica behaving shitty correlates to you taking choices to the MC behaving "shitty"? I dont really get your line of thought. But maybe it helps him to decompress or something when you play him like that, i dunno.

Are you arguing: the mc is/can be an asshole so his LI should be an asshole too?

Veronica knows about what happened about 40h afterwards, really soon.

Look you guys can think whatever you want. Veronica is great and not shitty, but people don't like her or make her into something she is not. Its ok to not like a character, but to make assumptions and make her out to be what she isn't.

Also by that logic, the only love interest should be Allison. Can get with Nat, can't get eirh Jasmine your student, shouldn't date your neighbor, so on for side girls, cause its selfish with daughte in a coma. So if we are going that route MC getting with others girls shouldn't happen.

Now look I am doen trying to prove a point when ignorant people like you and others already have bad ideas of her and try ot make her out to be something she is not. So have a good one, cause you guys aren't worth it.

 

[Dessolos]

Look you guys can think whatever you want. Veronica is great and not shitty, but people don't like her or make her into something she is not. Its ok to not like a character, but to make assumptions and make her out to be what she isn't.

I don't you or someone against her are wrong in their assumption it's just a case of different point of views.

 

[MAGO-DAG]

I'm sure I'm the only person in existance who cannot stand Coop at all...

Sure...a good friend...still annoying as hell.

Well... I won't say that Cooper is downright annoying, but he is awkward... to tell the truth, each of us has a friend who loves to make shitty jokes and annoys us with his awkward situations that pulls us out of a dull life...

in many avn you can rarely meet a funny guy who even cheers up the players with his stupid jokes

I'm just tired that in every avn our friend is gay or he just disappears from the game after a couple of updates, or out of envy he will become against Mc

 

[pitao]

Shes a mature fucking college professor, she should have the brains to be able to realise that, shes not a over-emotional girl being the first time in love unable to think straight.

Hehe I can't argue much with your logic but well V is still human and a latina hahaha blood boils easily and even after the fired up sex scene with her in the conference hotel while she talks with the MC she explains that Chilean women are very jealous and that her sister is even worse than her lol (I know because I'm a latin guy from Portugal with near 50 yo and I still sometimes lose it , and I'm usually a very calm and cool person overall). Not excusing her, just stating the fact that humans aren't perfect and emotions like jealousy sometimes win over our regular personality.

 

[MagicMan753]

I don't you or someone against her are wrong in their assumption it's just a case of different point of views.

Its fine to have different points, I just feel like people are trying to state facts instead of opinions, I might be a little guilty in that aspect too.

 

[cooldevo]

Uhm how does Veronica behaving shitty correlates to you taking choices to the MC behaving "shitty"? I dont really get your line of thought. But maybe it helps him to decompress or something when you play him like that, i dunno.

Are you arguing: the mc is/can be an asshole so his LI should be an asshole too?

Veronica knows about what happened about 40h afterwards, really soon.



Come on, i was obviously exaggerating a bit and its obviously very unlikely that she acted out of malice, she was emotional and hurt and thats why she acted like that.

The thing is, it doesnt really matter, she still did it.

She should be empathetic enough to be aware that her feelings and cravings come second in this situation, unconditional help is required and not pushy expectations in a situation like that. No matter the reason for these expectations, it can wait a few weeks in a time like that. They had a fuckbuddy relationship for 6 months already, a few weeks more or less doesnt matter.

Shes a mature fucking college professor, she should have the brains to be able to realize that, shes not a over-emotional girl being the first time in love unable to think straight.

I don't disagree it was handled poorly. But have you seen the way some people in love act, even those that seem well put together or smart? Completely irrational at times. I know over the many years I've been alive I've done (and heard of) some really stupid/crazy things for infatuation/love. Looking back on it, some of it I do regret, some things I laugh like crazy, and others are just embarrassing. None of it was maliciously intended, and I don't get the impression V is doing it maliciously. Sure some people have done some really vindictive or malicious things, but you can usually see it as it's hard to hide when it's that malicious.

In V's mind it makes sense at the time. I can't defend it, just saying I don't think it was maliciously intended. I personally think she has some really cool story to her, if you can overlook the one lapse. It's not like she slept with someone else to try and make MC jealous.

 

[byaaahh]

Now look I am doen trying to prove a point when ignorant people like you and others already have bad ideas of her and try ot make her out to be something she is not. So have a good one, cause you guys aren't worth it.

 

[Darkdevil66]

Excuse me but where's the graphic violence tag ? This is straight murder at this point

 

[Krytax123]

Look you guys can think whatever you want. Veronica is great and not shitty, but people don't like her or make her into something she is not. Its ok to not like a character, but to make assumptions and make her out to be what she isn't.

Also by that logic, the only love interest should be Allison. Can get with Nat, can't get eirh Jasmine your student, shouldn't date your neighbor, so on for side girls, cause its selfish with daughte in a coma. So if we are going that route MC getting with others girls shouldn't happen.

Now look I am doen trying to prove a point when ignorant people like you and others already have bad ideas of her and try ot make her out to be something she is not. So have a good one, cause you guys aren't worth it.

I mean at least we bring some arguments while youre all "Veronica is great, nanananana lalalalala im not listening lalalala" lmao

And i dont consider distraction in a stressfull time like that as really shitty behavior (if he is single), he cant worry for lily 24/7, it would only make his condition worse. You seem to not get the point and even less proving anything.

You just keep saying how ignorant we are because you dont like what were saying without contributing anything relating to the discussion but trying to derail it with unrelated stuff like jake being able to be an asshole.

And you seem to be very pissed and defensive about it, maybe you need to relax and calm down, i dunno.

If you dont enjoy heated discussions, dont participate, nobody is forcing you.

But yeah i agree that allison should be the real canon route

 

[crabsinthekitchen]

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Excuse me but where's the graphic violence tag ? This is straight murder at this point

 

[Krytax123]

I don't disagree it was handled poorly. But have you seen the way some people in love act, even those that seem well put together or smart? Completely irrational at times. I know over the many years I've been alive I've done (and heard of) some really stupid/crazy things for infatuation/love. Looking back on it, some of it I do regret, some things I laugh like crazy, and others are just embarrassing. None of it was maliciously intended, and I don't get the impression V is doing it maliciously. Sure some people have done some really vindictive or malicious things, but you can usually see it as it's hard to hide when it's that malicious.

In V's mind it makes sense at the time. I can't defend it, just saying I don't think it was maliciously intended. I personally think she has some really cool story to her, if you can overlook the one lapse. It's not like she slept with someone else to try and make MC jealous.

Well i said her behavior in this aspect was shitty, not unrealistic. In fact it makes her even more realistic just unfortunealy in a very unlikeable way

She puts herself and her desires first which is very common between humans, its just that i would never want to enter a serious relationship with a woman like that if she cant handle her emotions enough to show unconditonal support to her partner in the biggest tragic crisis of his life.

 

[byaaahh]

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Holy shit, is this on the Veronica route?

If so, it sums up why people aren't feeling V.

 

[Krytax123]

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At some points i felt like the devs looked at our discussions here and used our arguments and trashtalking of LI's as inspiration for the whole sauna dialogues from Natalya and Jasmine

 

[Dessolos]

Honestly im thinking playing V's path when it's on steam just to see any arguments between her and Jas in the convention. Still hate V tho

 

[pitao]

This is why I usually don't enter into, how does people on this site call it? "Waifu wars" on what LI is better and that X or Y is bad etc etc because yeah I also have favorite ones but I usually try to understand and put myself into the shoes of the ones I don't like so much as my favorites. Unless they do very very despicable and inexcusable things, most the things people point out in this "wars" are irrelevant for me and they are just things humans do often without malice like cooldevo pointed out.
This also makes me enjoy much more all the paths and content this games make available hehe. But yeah this discussions are usually what make this threads alive I guess, just try to not get it personal, that is way less fun.

 

[byaaahh]

At some points i felt like the devs looked at our discussions here and used our arguments and trashtalking of LI's as inspiration for the whole sauna dialogues from Natalya and Jasmine

I think Natalya is just being ignorant

 

[cooldevo]

Well i said her behavior in this aspect was shitty, not unrealistic. In fact it makes her even more realistic just unfortunealy in a very unlikeable way

She puts herself and her desires first which is very common between humans, its just that i would never want to enter a serious relationship with a woman like that if she cant handle her emotions enough to show unconditonal support to her partner in the biggest tragic crisis of his life.

I concur. The only thing we don't know is "why" it comes up again at that moment. We can just guess. And it's hard to judge anyone in the story, as we are looking on as casual observers with no vested emotions for Lily. Had it been my own daughter? I'd be reacting very different than the MC. Very different. But that's me and how I react to traumatic events. Having been in the military and seen people/friends die, I'd probably handle it very differently than someone who wasn't.

Does she see it as the best way to support the guy she wants to get serious with? Possibly. Is she trying to use the event to manipulate a relationship? Entirely possible. Once you start down her path, she really shows no manipulative tendencies though, so it'd be quite out of character.

She does have a possessive streak in her on her solo path, but she is also extremely devoted to the MC. She is very willing to experiment and play, like when going to Yoga. I can live with a little possessiveness if she's going to give me a remote control for a vibrator, any day of the week.

 

[Krytax123]

Hehe I can't argue much with your logic but well V is still human and a latina hahaha blood boils easily and even after the fired up sex scene with her in the conference hotel while she talks with the MC she explains that Chilean women are very jealous and that her sister is even worse than her lol (I know because I'm a latin guy from Portugal with near 50 yo and I still sometimes lose it , and I'm usually a very calm and cool person overall). Not excusing her, just stating the fact that humans aren't perfect and emotions like jealousy sometimes win over our regular personality.

Lmao not gonna lie i usually even have a thing for slightly(!) irrational/over-emotional latina's, theres so much passion in these bags of crazy

And i even think jealousy can be attractive/sexy its just specifically V who isnt working for me. And i could forgive/accept her behavior if the MC's crisis would a little bit smaller or literally anything else than his little girl being in a coma. He's a father of a little girl whos badly hurt, she should be able to understand and even support him only focusing 100% on Lily, it should make him more attractive to her (like it does to Kalani for example).