Orgitas
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Not your right to tell a person how to spend their money. But it sure is your right to say they are idiots for doing it. After all, a fool and their money are easily parted.
Yeah and yet this is not what it's about. You have been told a thousand times it's not about you spending your money, how you have any given how you think is a miracle in the first place, yet you keep bringing it up, using the same strawman over and over and over. This is about the developer not delivering anything at all, while pretending he's sick, and not even taking the pain to hide that he is not and he's just playing his subscribers for chumps, like posting about how he is playing Final Fantasy twice on Twitter. And you know damn well he is ripping people off, and, you even admitted it. So you are just a troll. You're so obviously trolling, that I think you just like to rile people off (i've encountered people who do that in real life).I might not care for some of the $ choices made by others, but I respect their right to decide how to spend their $ - they earned it, not me, and I have no Need to control others Or their spending habits.
Dude you are denser than a concrete slab holy fuck. Is this an attempt to test the limits of stupidity? Because your post is so dumb it's forcing me to defend fucking PaxHadrian, Alorth and SirD. God knows how much I don't want to do that.Yeah and yet this is not what it's about. You have been told a thousand times it's not about you spending your money, how you have any given how you think is a miracle in the first place, yet you keep bringing it up, using the same strawman over and over and over. This is about the developer not delivering anything at all, while pretending he's sick, and not even taking the pain to hide that he is not and he's just playing his subscribers for chumps, like posting about how he is playing Final Fantasy twice on Twitter. And you know damn well he is ripping people off, and, you even admitted it. So you are just a troll. You're so obviously trolling, that I think you just like to rile people off (i've encountered people who do that in real life).
You're so pathetic you almost don't deserve the time of a response, but here it goes.Dude you are denser than a concrete slab holy fuck. Is this an attempt to test the limits of stupidity? Because your post is so dumb it's forcing me to defend fucking PaxHadrian, Alorth and SirD.
ClearlyGod knows how much I don't want to do that.
Freedom of speech and action -I really like your answer, it is trully valid and all. I have no right to tell others how to spend their money, but i actually have. It is freedom of speech and action. I dont care what others think, or do. If because of such actions, like from my idea, games will die, then so be it. Market hates void and people will handle it. I just want dev to be punished somehow. That maybe wakes him up (and maybe not). I dont care if this game, or his supporters, will get bit on the way (of course I'd prefer them not to, but...it is what it is).Also, u mentioned that there are many other authors...there are not for me. I have pretty specific taste in games like this, so it is in my best interest, to prevent other devs (especially from such genre) to milk people too.
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Ah yes. The Patreon system. Which greatly incendivises milking. Instead of a monthly game update, a supporter may receive :Dude you are denser than a concrete slab holy fuck. Is this an attempt to test the limits of stupidity? Because your post is so dumb it's forcing me to defend fucking PaxHadrian, Alorth and SirD. God knows how much I don't want to do that.
Yet here we are. You should really take a look at how websites like Patreon and Subscribestar work. Because when you find out that they are different from places like GoFundMe it's really gonna blow your mind. No Patreon creator is forced to deliver content. Period. It's a subscription based model that operates under the assumption that you are donating funds to your favorite creators in hopes they can deliver their product. You are literally donating money NOT trading it for a product or service. THEY DON'T OWE YOU SHIT in exchange for the money you give them. You can argue with Patreon and ask for a refund if the content breaks any rules or if they aren't delivering on a specific tier reward. Outside from that you don't get shit. If you do not have the brain processing power to understand this basic notion I highly suggest you refrain from passing judgement or suggest someone is "trolling".
In short, no they aren't deceiving their patrons. No they don't owe you any content at all. And fucking good on them for consistently taking advantage of dumb people who don't turn off their subscriptions or make them earn the money.
Look we are on the same side here. The only difference is I've been doing this song and dance for years. I'm no longer mad. The devs milk because there are people who are careless, lazy or dumb enough to let themselves get milked.Ah yes. The Patreon system. Which greatly incendivises milking. Instead of a monthly game update, a supporter may receive :
a game progress report ; non-canon wallpapers ; access to Discord. Whoever supporter accepts this as a fair trade-off to an actual game update--good luck to them.
It's bad enough to receive "cake batter" instead of an actual cake (in this case a completed VN). Sure, there are very good practical reasons for this state of things. But it's very much a scam, this Patreon system. With potential censorship added in!
Supporters are misguided and lazy, yes. But not necessarily very dumb.
Illicit?!?! Misinform?!?!Are you sure patreon works that way, or are you just assuming the illicit way these devs use it?
"The Patreon platform is a crowdfunding system in which, having a user profile, you can donate a specific amount of money per month to your favorite content creators to support them and allow them to continue DEVELOPING the content you love."
If what you've said is true, then these devs are even more reportable.
"As an artist, you deserve all the support you get from your patrons. And your community deserves all the dedication you've put into your Patreon page. They deserve you to honestly deliver all the work you promised them as a reward. Otherwise , they deserve an apology and that you explain to them with all the sincerity in the world why they did not receive the promised reward. Patreon is not responsible for offering a refund to patrons who are not satisfied, but you should know that they contact with us to INFORM US".
the latter was said by the patreon support team itself.
The dev has done the exact opposite of the latter, and if we add the last thing you said, he is using patreon fraudulently,What violates the patreon policy:creations or benefits that are misleading or deceptive.
Let's not misinform people.
PD:By the way, in the patreon rules it is not prohibited to upload 18+ content, so don't worry, because of his report, it will not affect other devs.
I support a game 1 update at a time via Buymeacoffee. So we very much agree there.Look we are on the same side here. The only difference is I've been doing this song and dance for years. I'm no longer mad. The devs milk because there are people who are careless, lazy or dumb enough to let themselves get milked.
I don't give Patreon a single cent but I do support creators on SS. My approach is simple. I sub for the month they drop the update in. Then I let the sub get cancelled because I only use single purchase cards.
If every Patron was like me I assure you, updates would be dropping every 2/3 months or the games would just disappear. No milking possible.
I'm past hating on devs and calling them scammers. If I could collect a paycheck every month for no work submitted, I wouldn't say no.
The real problem here is the entitlement and the ignorance. People do not seem to understand the nature of Patreon so they start to believe they are owed something. Which they just aren't. And the worst part? The overwhelming majority of the loudest complainers here has never given a cent to any dev, ever. That makes me angrier that any milking dev. So I will call them out on it.
So if it is fraudulent why don't You and your Milker Confab start a class action lawsuit and see how far you progress. It's easy to spew verbale vomit, but if what you say is true. If in fact you pay ANYTHING to have standing then by all means let the games begin. If not you have no voice as being nothing more that a hypocrite shill.Are you sure patreon works that way, or are you just assuming the illicit way these devs use it?
"The Patreon platform is a crowdfunding system in which, having a user profile, you can donate a specific amount of money per month to your favorite content creators to support them and allow them to continue DEVELOPING the content you love."
If what you've said is true, then these devs are even more reportable.
"As an artist, you deserve all the support you get from your patrons. And your community deserves all the dedication you've put into your Patreon page. They deserve you to honestly deliver all the work you promised them as a reward. Otherwise , they deserve an apology and that you explain to them with all the sincerity in the world why they did not receive the promised reward. Patreon is not responsible for offering a refund to patrons who are not satisfied, but you should know that they contact with us to INFORM US".
the latter was said by the patreon support team itself.
The dev has done the exact opposite of the latter, and if we add the last thing you said, he is using patreon fraudulently,What violates the patreon policy:creations or benefits that are misleading or deceptive.
Let's not misinform people.
PD:By the way, in the patreon rules it is not prohibited to upload 18+ content, so don't worry, because of his report, it will not affect other devs.
hope developer get the memo ♪I really like your answer, it is trully valid and all. I have no right to tell others how to spend their money, but i actually have. It is freedom of speech and action. I dont care what others think, or do. If because of such actions, like from my idea, games will die, then so be it. Market hates void and people will handle it. I just want dev to be punished somehow. That maybe wakes him up (and maybe not). I dont care if this game, or his supporters, will get bit on the way (of course I'd prefer them not to, but...it is what it is).Also, u mentioned that there are many other authors...there are not for me. I have pretty specific taste in games like this, so it is in my best interest, to prevent other devs (especially from such genre) to milk people too.
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