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It all comes from lore reveals in Act5.
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Also, Issa cares about minimizing devastation and harm to humans. And practically begs the dragon to not produce any more kobolds (event somewhere in act 3 or 4, I don't remember). He clearly disdains kobolds, and wants his own kind to die.
 
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You can't really trust a whole chunk of your captives. Not just Issa.

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Now maybe you're getting all this from the new update? Haven't gotten around to playing it myself. So what I say could be completely off so feel free to correct me. But I have to somewhat disagree with some of these.

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Then again who knows. The greatest betrayals are from those you least expect. Have my doubts but eh.
 

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It all comes from lore reveals in Act5.
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Also, Issa cares about minimizing devastation and harm to humans. And practically begs the dragon to not produce any more kobolds (event somewhere in act 3 or 4, I don't remember). He clearly disdains kobolds, and wants his own kind to die.
Man I haven't played this game in a long while, I remember liking most things but now things seem tad unhinged and I'm not sure if I should play if I'll just get angry about it but on the other hand I also want to see it for myself even if its not a healthy thing to do. There's lots I could rant on about but I think I'll stop here since I doubt anyone cares.
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Now maybe you're getting all this from the new update? Haven't gotten around to playing it myself. So what I say could be completely off so feel free to correct me. But I have to somewhat disagree with some of these.

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Then again who knows. The greatest betrayals are from those you least expect. Have my doubts but eh.
Agreed with most of this, the cat girls are kind of insane if you think about it too. You get abducted by a dragon, what do you do, you lube up your sister??? This game has a weird theme where a lot of the captives end up liking being in their position despite the rapey circumstances around it, and not in some sort of weird stockholm syndrome sort of thing but actually wanting to participate in this deviancy because its fun. I mean, maybe I would do the same if a nice dragon captured me, but the frequency in which this happens with the various captives is too funny when you notice it.
 
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Now maybe you're getting all this from the new update? Haven't gotten around to playing it myself. So what I say could be completely off so feel free to correct me. But I have to somewhat disagree with some of these.
I'm going purely off of what I've seen in the game. I might have interpreted some dialogues in a different way than intended, but I'm only human.

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Then again who knows. The greatest betrayals are from those you least expect. Have my doubts but eh.
I may as well be paranoid, but I've played enough VNs to see the signs of betrayal from a mile away.
I unironically trust Valzira way more than I trust anyone else among the captives.
 

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I'm going purely off of what I've seen in the game. I might have interpreted some dialogues in a different way than intended, but I'm only human.

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I may as well be paranoid, but I've played enough VNs to see the signs of betrayal from a mile away.
I unironically trust Valzira way more than I trust anyone else among the captives.
I don't think its too wise to take everything Valzira says as literally true. She first and foremost hates you, so she will say anything to hurt you, it doesn't matter if there's any truth in it or not. There might be betrayal somewhere, but when you look for it everywhere it seems like the point of her is to deny you any kind of sense of safety and security, that nobody loves you, you're ugly, etc etc. It doesn't seem like a good way for the story to go where half your waifus betray you but who knows.
 

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Been near half a decade since I last looked at this game. Just wondering, are we nearing a final release? Or are we still patching up, expanding character arcs and finishing Act 5?
There seems to be a lot of Act 5 still to go, so I think that we are probably at least a year away from the final release.
 
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I don't think its too wise to take everything Valzira says as literally true. She first and foremost hates you, so she will say anything to hurt you, it doesn't matter if there's any truth in it or not. There might be betrayal somewhere, but when you look for it everywhere it seems like the point of her is to deny you any kind of sense of safety and security, that nobody loves you, you're ugly, etc etc. It doesn't seem like a good way for the story to go where half your waifus betray you but who knows.
Oh, believe me, I don't trust everything Valzira says. But usually her commentary rings painfully close to the truth.

And, well, there's the other half of waifus that learn to unconditionally love the dragon, and never even think of bertaying him. :KEK:
Enid best wife. ;)
 

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Oh, believe me, I don't trust everything Valzira says. But usually her commentary rings painfully close to the truth.

And, well, there's the other half of waifus that learn to unconditionally love the dragon, and never even think of betraying him.
Enid best wife. :KEK:
I think Valzira is way too disconnected from the truth, she's just boiling with rage, perception too clouded by arrogance. Almost everyone else tries to find some way to improve their conditions, genuine or not it makes sense to be nice to the big dragon, but she is almost taunting you to just kill her, I think most of her words are just a poison pill because she cannot harm you physically but can fuck with you mentally. If she was really clear headed she would play the same manipulative game she accuses Heloise of, but she doesn't so she just comes across as a lunatic.

As for rest of the waifus, thats exactly why they also could be perfect candidates for a traitor, they would never be suspected. Dragons are evil so pretty much all of them have a good reason to do it, but I think it boils down to the fact they simply don't want to, dragons are cool and you have hot kinky sex and nothing else matters because this game bends logic to its needs whenever it wants anyways, all of them should be dead from that schlong aside from the elves maybe.
 
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Lemme add a few nickels.

Valzira may be too full of rage and hate to care about deception. Yes, it also clouds her judgement, but I suspect she's beyond lies now. Granted, whatever she says is warped - but not by an attempt to deceive you. IIRC, even during the stupidest gameover of granting her freedom after conquest she tells you she will fuck you up before you release her.

Malice is an interesting - and VERY cute cookie. INSERTING MALICE PIC NOW!
Malice - rowdy teen.jpg
Ahem. So, I think that in terms of thinking she is somewhere between eldritch and fae - classical fae that is: unpredictable and capricious, less malicious and more on their own wave (which still makes them incredibly dangerous). Eldritch part comes in form of her plans and motives potentially being so far out there there is practically no way of predicting or, perhaps, even understanding them. She is insanely powerful capricious otherworldly entity who break reality just by being around. She may even have no plans or that her plans are so eldritch there is no point explaining, or that she's just messing with her dad by not telling.
No real way to tell anything for sure, really.

Regarding cat sisters - no, their fights are no play. Its very clear once you see their Sunken Temple scene. There is conflict between them, it's just buried very deep.


And final nickel would be Issa.

No, he's probably not saying "we" in regal sense - otherwise, why he always self-correct when he does that? Maybe there is some very specific reason of him not wanting to show his higher status, but there is no hints and no threads to pull. At the moment, this is empty supposition.

The other reason to speak that way, the possession, does not have direct proofs either. His body smells of heat - granted, its a hint at demonic, the only faction associated with heat - and petrichor - or, speaking plainly, that specific smell of dirt after the rain. The first smell hints at demons, the other... No idea, really. His blood emits no smell, but seems acrid - what that suppose to hint at, I also have no idea. Blurring over his corpse may hint at something incorporeal leaving it - or just a shimmer of heated air.

In combination, it may hint either at demon leaving his form or some kind of magi-chemical release. Given that Malagar is Valzira's pupil and knowing both what he's up to and that Valzira made Issa the way he is, its not hard to imagine such release being some kind of after-effect of the procedures done on Issa.

However, I think it's demon possession. Why? The whole scene is built to highlight those details, to hint at something. There is no narrative reason to hint at magical influence over Issa's form, since we know it already in most direct way possible - we were told he was modified by magic. If devs tried to hint at something, it must be something we did not know already, hence there would be no reason to hint. So, we can reasonably discount it being magical effect. Possession, on the other hand, would explain bot the effects and strange plural when referring to self.

But that raises a question. FUCKHUEG one at that! Why demon?

IIRC, they are our natural allies - sun creatures, same as Dragon. I think, in very technical sense, Dragon kinda is a powerful demonic entity himself - or at least someone related.

Why would a demon plot against Dragon? Or did he?..

Valzira tells us he's about to do something catastrophically bad. Valzira is, amongst other thing, moon being, the opposite side of this divine conflict. "Something catastrophically bad" in her eyes may mean a lot of things - and not necessarily: "he's plotting against you!". It may as well be: "he's going to open hellgates!" or something.

Or even if he is plotting against you, what would his motives be? He seems possessive, which begs into suspicion a possibility of unrequited affection. What if some kind of demon got all drooly about his scaled cousin and went yandere-mode?

Honestly, I am at a loss of suggestions.
 

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sweethearts are... Well, they are sweet, for starters. Just imagine those big powerful arms hugging you, while she pushed her horsedick up your Sorry, force of habit.
I don't judge... heck, some of the more... manageable... ones could probably convince me to bottom on occasion with a little sweet talk....
 
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are there any new options for a queen after you take the castle or is it still daja,adeline,or malice you can marry?
 

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Lemme add a few nickels.

Valzira may be too full of rage and hate to care about deception. Yes, it also clouds her judgement, but I suspect she's beyond lies now. Granted, whatever she says is warped - but not by an attempt to deceive you. IIRC, even during the stupidest gameover of granting her freedom after conquest she tells you she will fuck you up before you release her.

I don't think that's entirely true, she can lie all she wants, the problem is she doesn't do it rationally. She makes no effort to hide her hatred for you because its so great she is unable to, but there is no reason why she wouldn't lie about anything else. Suppose that nothing were to happen to the dragon, would she stay silent? No, she hates your guts so she imagines all the ways you are going to get screwed over, if she ever predicts the future its only going to be just from the fact if you keep throwing darts at the board you're bound to eventually hit. I don't think she's trustworthy at all.

Regarding cat sisters - no, their fights are no play. Its very clear once you see their Sunken Temple scene. There is conflict between them, it's just buried very deep.
Man, sisters do not solve (or exacerbate) their sibling issues by making each other fuck a dragon. Most siblings have some sort of conflict, probably why Malice doesn't want one, but the way their dynamic works is really not something you can apply reason to, its just porn logic.
No, he's probably not saying "we" in regal sense - otherwise, why he always self-correct when he does that?
He stumbles over words all the time, like he is not sure how to present himself, it's not just "we". There is a weird duality to him, he acts proper and dignified but also kind of slutty. He's a kobold but yet with none of the behaviors or looks of one. Sure it might be a sign of possession but its not a very strong one.

However, I think it's demon possession. Why? The whole scene is built to highlight those details, to hint at something. There is no narrative reason to hint at magical influence over Issa's form, since we know it already in most direct way possible - we were told he was modified by magic. If devs tried to hint at something, it must be something we did not know already, hence there would be no reason to hint. So, we can reasonably discount it being magical effect. Possession, on the other hand, would explain bot the effects and strange plural when referring to self.
Problem with demon possession is he does not act like a demon, why would demons care about human lives and what happens with people? As with the hinting, the problem stems from how do you actually envision the world and setting, does it revolve all around us - the player, not the dragon - or is it it's own inner consistent world where we are only just observing? It's valid to say, why would the dev bother with these descriptions if we already know of Issa's magic transformation, but I would argue back that someone who had those things done to them *should* have such a description for world consistency and lore.

Or even if he is plotting against you, what would his motives be? He seems possessive, which begs into suspicion a possibility of unrequited affection. What if some kind of demon got all drooly about his scaled cousin and went yandere-mode?
This I find more plausible, note that unlike other captives he can't get pregnant so he can't deliver you any kobolds. When describing his appearance, his transformation specifically, he talks about being an "inferior immitation" or something like that. I think he might just have a hidden inferiority complex and is scared of losing access to the dragon, which might explain his other behaviors.

So, I think that in terms of thinking she is somewhere between eldritch and fae - classical fae that is: unpredictable and capricious, less malicious and more on their own wave (which still makes them incredibly dangerous). Eldritch part comes in form of her plans and motives potentially being so far out there there is practically no way of predicting or, perhaps, even understanding them. She is insanely powerful capricious otherworldly entity who break reality just by being around. She may even have no plans or that her plans are so eldritch there is no point explaining, or that she's just messing with her dad by not telling.
I don't think its all so eldritch, if you talk about what caused the last naga to disappear its said that it just happened on its own. There was no conquest, no coup, no betrayal, its almost like they just committed suicide of some sort. So I don't think it's about having some sort of a grand plan, but more that they are really depraved impulsive creatures that don't think ahead very far, they just do what they want, act what they feel like, otherwise why orchestrate your own downfall? Malice just does what she feels like, I don't think she's that different from the dragon, its just she has reality breaking powers while you do not. Though going back to how the naga just disappeared, reality breakage might be more of a side effect of them just existing rather than something they have mastery over, their eldritch nature isn't so much about them personally but more about the fact of their existence that disrupts natural laws, which can lead to them being affected by it as much as they affect others. I might be wrong about this though since I'm out of the loop on the lore.

Greater question to me is, what's the point of all of this? When people talk about the weird deer thing that happens to Anne for example, people go "ah fuck consequences of my actions" but is this really to punish the player for no reason? Is this to indulge in some sort of even crazier fetishes? Why does it have to be apocalyptic, instead of just being a new world order? Why put Malice (best girl) behind some kind of bad ending state? Is it really meant to be bad? Is it an excuse for the writer to go off his meds? So many questions.
 

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To be honest.. While I just reached act 4 (yes I have malice coming).. But this talk of the apocalypses I hope is just not some bad ending.. That would be really shit on the devs behalf. Since how easy it is to achieve and would show he did turn it into a shitty story.. I really hope its just an end game scenario to make the world darker place... I want to think of it as like the manga Berserk. Where the astral plane (with all the demons) starts merging with the mortal plane because of Grifith. Things are going to get "dark" and messed up real soon. Which could be a means to give us plenty of dark fetishes and storylines or such. But that should be it. I hope thats the intent.

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Well Since I took the Abandoned mine. I was going to give her to the Infernos. So I went after Valria first (and lucky since later I found saw in the guide you need traps ready for the cats) which I didnt have.. So Valria ended up getting the first turns... I then later changed my mind not to give Heloise to the infernos and keep her. All it seems the demons give you is an army, and im not interested in demons chicks with dicks at all to hand over a white haired elf . . But looking at the gallery and some interesting scenes she has with Malice, she did look like a better mother. Varlria really hates Malice doesnt she. But I cant really change that now unless I reload my Act 2 start save and do everything again.
 
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To be honest.. While I just reached act 4 (yes I have malice coming).. But this talk of the apocalypses I hope is just not some bad ending.. That would be really shit on the devs behalf. Since how easy it is to achieve and would show he did turn it into a shitty story.. I really hope its just an end game scenario to make the world darker place... I want to think of it as like the manga Berserk. Where the astral plane (with all the demons) starts merging with the mortal plane because of Grifith. Things are going to get "dark" and messed up real soon. Which could be a means to give us plenty of dark fetishes and storylines or such. But that should be it. I hope thats the intent.


Well Since I took the Abandoned mine. I was going to give her to the Infernos. So I went after Valria first (and lucky since later I found saw in the guide you need traps ready for the cats) which I didnt have.. So Valria ended up getting the first turns... I then later changed my mind not to give Heloise to the infernos and keep her.. But looking at the gallery and some interesting scenes she has with Malice, she did look like a better mother. Varlria really hates Malice doesnt she. But I cant really change that now unless I reload my Act 2 start save and do everything again.
My hope is that you will have some control over it instead of it just being "haha consequences of le actions" because the whole game is about it all being just a fantasy over realism, imposing fetishes onto people that just want Malice content and messing up everything else is really not nice, no matter how philosophical you get behind it.
 
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