VN Ren'Py Ravenous [Arc 2 Ep. 8] [Lament Entertainment]

[Verbalvonitcomet]

I have my own list of likes and dislikes about this game and I quite like it on the whole, though there are some things that I would like to be shown diferently. But I can say the same about almost any game and Ravenous is certainly much better than an average game here if you sum everything up.
But what I found reading this thread that the Dev is actively involved in the discussion here and that he cannot stand any criticism, taking it personally. He often verbally charges those who dare to criticise the game.
Moreover there are a few fanboys here who become very aggressive at even slightest attempts of constructive criticism, often going personal against those who criticise. I don't think such attitude benefits the game, the Dev or the local community

A gratuitous statement is just what I have read in your missive here, in addition to Vilifying the Dev. and others on this thread you have yet to clarify anything of substance. You speak in Vague generalities. Never getting to the point. Your Vapid Vitriol and condescension towards others is noticed by all.

 

[Beduin123]

I actually welcome CONSTRUCTIVE critisizm. Its very difficult to see a lot of what is said as that, when its masked as insults.
A lot of what annoys me is having to repeat the same things over and over because people choose not to read about a game before they dive in.
Do I expect everyone to like the story/game? no.
Does it piss me off when people just want to talk shit because they feel as if they should have a game tailor-made for them, especially on a pirate site? Fuck yes.


If you have some constructive criticism, by all means, spill it. I'll consider what you are saying.
But please, make sure it comes across as constructive, and not just as a whiny, self entitled, player, that is mad that shit doesn't go the way you want.

I know for a fact that I have made a few mistakes, as this is my 1st project.
I try to improve constantly.

Making a game, isn't fast or easy, and when complaints aren't legit, it very frustrating.
Especially when those complaints are based on choices that I make, and have nothing to do with anything other than what the poster of said complaint, personally likes, or dislikes.

THOSE are the times that I say "Its my game, I'll do what I want."
If you have some legit advice, I'm all ears.
If you just want to whine, or try to look clever/cool on the forum with your insult, then you can fuck right off.
If you dont like the game, fine. don't play.
If you just want to stick around in a thread after voicing your distaste for my game/story to keep replying with negativity,
all you're doing is looking like a fucking idiot, because nobody is holding you here.

I wrote my opinion before. Your gave your usual answer TLDR "If you don't like the game, you don't have to play". I never said that I didn't like the game. I'm completely OK with the set of tags that this game has, I like the models, characters and renders. I just want it bo be a bit more feasible or integral in terms of the world and the story, that's it. I never asked you to introduce some particular kinks or do something that you may call whiny.
Anyway, keep up the good work.

 

[Beduin123]

A gratuitous statement is just what I have read in your missive here, in addition to Vilifying the Dev. and others on this thread you have yet to clarify anything of substance. You speak in Vague generalities. Never getting to the point. Your Vapid Vitriol and condescension towards others is noticed by all.

Firstly, please do not talk for "all". You aren't all. Also, I didn't find any traces of your activity in this thread, not that much on this site in general. Please study this thread at least, before you contunue trying to argue with me

 

[LamentEntertainment]

I wrote my opinion before. Your gave your usual answer TLDR "If you don't like the game, you don't have to play". I never said that I didn't like the game. I'm completely OK with the set of tags that this game has, I like the models, characters and renders. I just want it bo be a bit more feasible or integral in terms of the world and the story, that's it. I never asked you to introduce some particular kinks or do something that you may call whiny.
Anyway, keep up the good work.

Just to be clear, the statement I'm making in this post about the whiney, etc, was in no way aimed at you. I'm speaking in general terms.


Here is a PRIME example of just shit talking. no constructive criticism offered, and mad because the story didn't go the way they want it to.
People expect every MC to be as smart as a whip. To have wisdom and experience. ( most teenagers aren't, and in this case the MC has been sheltered most of his life.) You knew what the mc was as soon as you started the game. Your "dumb mc" claims have no legs to stand on in this regard.

This player would know that its KINETIC by looking at the tags ahead of time. (in a kinetic novel, u take the chance of going where you don't want to. Pretty sure that's common knowledge)

Many, many, many, people like the story, but if you don't like it, of course that's understandable. That's the way opinion works.
Of course this is an opinion. but is stated as fact.

It's also annoying when assumptions are made about what I intend, however, in this case, the player is kind of correct.

Arc 2 is meant to be the arc with more relationship/sex in it, and arc 1 was more so for the story/plot. (also stated a billion times)

Do you see how reviews and feedback on this forum are just outright insulting?
"Mc is a dumbass, story is garbage"
"Slowburns, excuses...blah blah..."

I don't know if people are reading the story or not, but seriously, There is a way to communicate without belittling a Devs work?

If you are reading the actual story, and paying attention, then you can see how there is little time to choose sex over what's happening in the plot, or who would be in the mood for it when you are overwhelmed by a lot of new and super unusual circumstances. (as a once sheltered teenager)
"I'm a dude, I'll fuck anything , at any time..."

No, you won't. And you're a liar if you disagree,

If you want to immerse yourself, and play/ read "Vicariously" through the mc in a Kinetic novel, you also take the chance of having to "be" somebody that you disagree with.

I cant help but be astounded when people play a kinetic/visual NOVEL with absolutely no reading comprehension, or grasp of circumstance.

Say what you will.

I'm just going to keep working.

 

[Jafo]

I actually welcome CONSTRUCTIVE critisizm. Its very difficult to see a lot of what is said as that, when its masked as insults.
A lot of what annoys me is having to repeat the same things over and over because people choose not to read about a game before they dive in.
Do I expect everyone to like the story/game? no.
Does it piss me off when people just want to talk shit because they feel as if they should have a game tailor-made for them, especially on a pirate site? Fuck yes.


If you have some constructive criticism, by all means, spill it. I'll consider what you are saying.
But please, make sure it comes across as constructive, and not just as a whiny, self entitled, player, that is mad that shit doesn't go the way you want.

I know for a fact that I have made a few mistakes, as this is my 1st project.
I try to improve constantly.

Making a game, isn't fast or easy, and when complaints aren't legit, it very frustrating.
Especially when those complaints are based on choices that I make, and have nothing to do with anything other than what the poster of said complaint, personally likes, or dislikes.

THOSE are the times that I say "Its my game, I'll do what I want."
If you have some legit advice, I'm all ears.
If you just want to whine, or try to look clever/cool on the forum with your insult, then you can fuck right off.
If you dont like the game, fine. don't play.
If you just want to stick around in a thread after voicing your distaste for my game/story to keep replying with negativity,
all you're doing is looking like a fucking idiot, because nobody is holding you here.

I want to make life more comfortable for you. I love the game as is. I never try to make a dev changing his game and I am comfortable with not playing a game I don't like. I let it pass and ignore it without starting to shout in the thread. Just don't let the annoying people get under your skin. And try not get involved in discussions with the people trying to piss you off. Leave it! It is better for your blood pressure for sure.

Just go your way with the game. People will always start nagging around wanting this or that. But always keep in mind that it is and always will be YOUR game. Just keep on going and ignore all the shit some people are throwing to you.

Hope all the annoying shit will vanish!

 

[ThorinKing]

Firstly, please do not talk for "all". You aren't all. Also, I didn't find any traces of your activity in this thread, not that much on this site in general. Please study this thread at least, before you contunue trying to argue with me

You should follow you're own advice - if you're going to slap back at the Dev for his reaction to certain whiny little bitches, you should read what he's responding to, first. Otherwise, you're exactly what you're accusing others of being, and the exact type of person Dev was reacting negatively to.

 

[Beduin123]

you should read what he's responding to, first

I have done it. So, what's the special hidden message there that I've missed, enlighten me

Otherwise, you're exactly what you're accusing others of being

Do I look to you like an aggressive fanboy? Of what, exactly?

 

[joblo9394]

I want to make life more comfortable for you. I love the game as is. I never try to make a dev changing his game and I am comfortable with not playing a game I don't like. I let it pass and ignore it without starting to shout in the thread. Just don't let the annoying people get under your skin. And try not get involved in discussions with the people trying to piss you off. Leave it! It is better for your blood pressure for sure.

Just go your way with the game. People will always start nagging around wanting this or that. But always keep in mind that it is and always will be YOUR game. Just keep on going and ignore all the shit some people are throwing to you.

Hope all the annoying shit will vanish!

From a development standpoint your sentiment is nice, but less then helpful. As LamentEntertainment said

I actually welcome CONSTRUCTIVE critisizm. Its very difficult to see a lot of what is said as that, when its masked as insults.
A lot of what annoys me is having to repeat the same things over and over because people choose not to read about a game before they dive in.

Most devs are on this site for feedback. Excessive positive or negative feedback cant help dev improve. "You are doing a good job" is nice to hear, but what can be improved, what was lacking, and what was done right. Those answers can and often are helpful.

If what is said has been said a million times one more will help nothing. If a point is brought up but it is part of the devs master plan. People need to sometimes learn patents and see how things pan out.

I have seen excellent premises that the end result was dirt poor just as I have seen premises that initially you could see no way for it to tern out good, but the end result was golden.

it is and always will be YOUR game.

That is true, and if said point is brought up it is ultimately up to the dev to decide what they want to do. At times the feedback will not even be implemented in the current game, but it can help the dev improve going forward with the next game.

Your comments are not without merit though as positive reinforcement especially in the midst of negativity is something people need.

All I am saying is if everyone just left a game when they saw an issue they deprive the dev of fixing something they my have been willing to in the first place. All of us are imperfect beings, and one perspective is narrow, and often flawed. We need others to help guide us at times.

It is not our game, and we need not forget that. Our comments should benefit either the player, the developer, or both, and harping benefits no one. There is also a difference between a disliked design choice and a flaw.

I see no reason to be overly polite to the devs, but at the same to we should not be rude. Can't honestly expect a positive response when most of or comment is insults and cusswords. Even if there is something valid included what do people expect.

 

[dmmt]

4th and 5th frames, 1st being when the Narrator 1st begins to 'speak'....repeat the exact same text.

 

[LamentEntertainment]

4th and 5th frames, 1st being when the Narrator 1st begins to 'speak'....repeat the exact same text.

Arc 1 is getting a final proofread, and hopefully all of the things like this will be addressed. when the Arc 1 Final. is released.
assuming we don't miss anything.
Thanks for the heads up.

 

[buff]

Sad news, dudes. The Arc 1 conclusion says that Arc 2 will have choices. Well, I enjoyed the releases moving along at a strong clip while we had it. We're going to enter branching "you need to keep track of multiple saves to see all the content you paid for and it will take forever for anything to happen" hell.

 

[Badjourasmix]

Sad news, dudes. The Arc 1 conclusion says that Arc 2 will have choices. Well, I enjoyed the releases moving along at a strong clip while we had it. We're going to enter branching "you need to keep track of multiple saves to see all the content you paid for and it will take forever for anything to happen" hell.

The funny thing about this comment is that the game not having choices was always one of the biggest criticisms it got. Also having choices doesn't mean you will need multiple saves, unless the dev has said that you will have branching paths. You have games with choices like grandma's house for example, where you can get all the content in just one save. The choices are just to decide what you don't want to see and which girls you want to reject.

 

[LamentEntertainment]

Sad news, dudes. The Arc 1 conclusion says that Arc 2 will have choices. Well, I enjoyed the releases moving along at a strong clip while we had it. We're going to enter branching "you need to keep track of multiple saves to see all the content you paid for and it will take forever for anything to happen" hell.

You are making some strong assumptions there.

 

[LamentEntertainment]

choices are mostly for skipping/rehjecting LI's content.
there may be scenes here and there that you choose an altenate scene for, but I will never put sex scenes within those alternate scenes.AT most, a bit of fan service.
I am doing this so people can spend more time with certain characters if they choose to, and less with others. depending on who they like.
However, it wont be that kind of thing often.
Also, as far as waiting for content, there are already 2 sexual scenes in Arc 2 episode 1.

leave if you want.
stop playing if you want.

but don't do it because you are assuming that things will be a certain way, before we have even reached that point.[/QUOTE]

 

[Verbalvonitcomet]

VAVOOM

 

[PhineasFlynn]

choices are mostly for skipping/rehjecting LI's content.
there may be scenes here and there that you choose an altenate scene for, but I will never put sex scenes within those alternate scenes.AT most, a bit of fan service.
I am doing this so people can spend more time with certain characters if they choose to, and less with others. depending on who they like.
However, it wont be that kind of thing often.
Also, as far as waiting for content, there are already 2 sexual scenes in Arc 2 episode 1.

leave if you want.
stop playing if you want.

but don't do it because you are assuming that things will be a certain way, before we have even reached that point.

But I love them all. How should I choose?

 

[buff]

Heh, I ain't going anywhere Lament, you'll still get my money. I'm just venting because I have seen decisions like this go bad so many, many times.

I hate it when you can't see all the content on one playthrough, and have to go back to old saves and guess what the hell you need to do to unlock stuff. When there is no gallery and you can't even tell if you are missing content, that sucks twice as hard. This game will never appeal to the "but I want to make lots of choices that change everything" crowd, it's too late for that, so by adding branching now we get the worst of both worlds.

And focusing on specific girl-- in a harem game??!? I'm all for more content with the girls but let me see it all. I mean, there will always be a few hardcore self-insert guys that want to pledge devotion to one girl and just focus on that, but given this is an established product it's probably safe to assume the large majority of us want to see all the girls (with a few exceptions where people find specific characters offputting due to their physical appearance, age, etc). You'd be more true to the harem ethos if you add more multi-girl combinations (N-somes) rather than more singleton paths.

 

[LamentEntertainment]

Heh, I ain't going anywhere Lament, you'll still get my money. I'm just venting because I have seen decisions like this go bad so many, many times.

I hate it when you can't see all the content on one playthrough, and have to go back to old saves and guess what the hell you need to do to unlock stuff. When there is no gallery and you can't even tell if you are missing content, that sucks twice as hard. This game will never appeal to the "but I want to make lots of choices that change everything" crowd, it's too late for that, so by adding branching now we get the worst of both worlds.

And focusing on specific girl-- in a harem game??!? I'm all for more content with the girls but let me see it all. I mean, there will always be a few hardcore self-insert guys that want to pledge devotion to one girl and just focus on that, but given this is an established product it's probably safe to assume the large majority of us want to see all the girls (with a few exceptions where people find specific characters offputting due to their physical appearance, age, etc). You'd be more true to the harem ethos if you add more multi-girl combinations (N-somes) rather than more singleton paths.

Firstly, This will never be about the money for me.
Sure, it pays my bills, but that was a big surprise, and I'm never going to count on that and take it for granted.
Thanks, for saying so though.

Secondly, I don't plan on doing it too much in the way of making people miss wanted content.
There will be no paths.
There will be alternate scenes from time to time.
Let me explain further.

Example choice:
1. Go to the store with Alex.
2. Stay home and play video games.

1. Go to the store with Alex: slim chance there will be any fucking, or tit sucking.
There will however be a chance to have random conversation with her, in order to get to know her better.

2. Staying home to play video game: perhaps one of the girls brings you a sandwich or stops by to talk about random shit, or perhaps you even just play video games and think.

In a lot of cases, the choice will also just be there to skip that characters content because you aren't interested.

I am the only one writing and rendering for this game/story, and I don't want to have to write/render for a bunch of paths, and have to keep track of them.

Thirdly( Idk if that's a word), I have always wanted small choices in this game.
Before now, I didn't have the capability of writing the story with choices.
I thought the best place to introduce it , would be at the start of a new arc.

And just a heads-up ahead of time, Arc 3 will have multiple endings. I have wanted that from the beginning.

I hope that gives a better view of what I plan to do.

 

[Mojumbo64]

Yooo, when's Beta v0.96 cummin' out here?

 

[Beduin123]

Having or not having branching plot lines is the matter of personal preference. I do not like much branching beacause I don't normally have time to play them all, so I always play with walkthrough to get the best path. I still do not mind braching if the story is good. For me this game is completely fine in this department.
But I know that a lot of people like to have a lot of branching. This is one of the things that totally up to the Devs. After all, branching slows down the development of games.
Having choises (whether to pursue a particular LI or a certain kink), on the other hand, is always welcome. Because tastes differ.