VN Others Completed Re;Lord 3 ~The demon lord of Groessen and the final witch~ [Final] [Escu:de]

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Yeah, I was hoping there was a change for the better because of the signposting in the first game. It seems like it would be boring to just go ahead. Like you have a future flashforward of 'omg he becomes a monster in this dark timeline!'

And then he... Just becomes a monster in the main game too. Seems a bit of a waste. Normally when you do flashforwards, you recontextualize or twist them later.
It's pretty well stated in the first episode. of the general direction of the story, I think, especially after his first fight after Erika. Wilfried himself alludes to the fact that the witches would be executed if he succeeds (which is sometimes Erika or Fine never bring up). It's also pretty well signposted early on who the witches's master is, as well.
 
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Some gameplay videos :

 

Kili Krieger

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One of the few games I played the original JP version. While part of me want to replay it, especially because it's one of, if not my favorite VN series of all time, I... just don't want to go through that again. Even the first game, knowing where everything ends up, is hard to pick up.
 
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I really need to play the first two again, mainly to see how it all ties in with the last episode, and make a note of all the dates

I was hoping to do so before 3 came out, but it was far earlier than I expected, so never got the chance. However, once I have free time again, I will do it - it's been a while since I played it.

I suppose I'm one of the few that actually play this for the story, rather than the sex scenes. Whilst Wilfried attacking Fine and Erika in 1 was pretty shocking, and in 2 was pretty bad, I found those part in 3 to be laughable really (and went on for far too long. Alicia's reaction to everything was pretty groan-worthy). I wonder if the witches had been male, Wilfried would have done the same thing, especially as he did state that the Hindenburg seduction technique works on males and females.

It would have been nice to have some sort of follow-up to this, but it's nearly 10 years old now,, so no chance
 
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KumfeyKowch

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Seriously. The first game was really good. Just a light hearted comedy. I've actually never played a VN that actually made me laugh out loud

But what the hell was this?
I feel like it shouldn't warrant a spoiler tag because its such BS but I'll do it anyway

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Oh yes, what Wilfried does is incredibly nasty - using Erika to enhance his own reputation. It just shows how far he's fallen and just become another Demon tyrant. Her demise is sad. What's worse is that Erika was in love with Wilfried (although the idiot didn't see it). Whether or not her love was genuine (considering what he did to her) or some sort of Stockholm Syndrome, I don't know).

It is a shame the Saint saved him, really.

But hopefully, Ria does fix the past, even if it is fragile. The problem is she re-arrives a day after the witches (assuming it's the same timeline though, and not another parallel universe).
 
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Just started 1 again. One thing I have just noticed is that Fine, right at the start, wanted Erika and Wilfried to have a relationship.

It was also a good job that Wilfried never killed Fine at the start (as per Ria's suggestion), as it would probably have made Erika abandon her pacifist tendencies, although it would have been for the best if she had killed him there and then.
 
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KumfeyKowch

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Just started 1 again. One thing I have just noticed is that Fine, right at the start, wanted Erika and Wilfried to have a relationship.

It was also a good job that Wilfried never killed Fine at the start (as per Ria's suggestion), as it would probably have made Erika abandon her pacifist tendencies, although it would have been for the best if she had killed him there and then.
I'd like to think that the best solution would be for Ria to get Wil's father to get Wil to back down. Guide him on the right path. Recruit the witches to help with that stupid angel prince douche bag. in the inevitable siege. If his father can be convinced that should really solve everything since Wil is so stupid to follow every thing his father says blindly. Only problem is that Wil seems to create his own delusions as to what the governors guidance truly was. Wish I was rich I'd commission someone to make a little manga side doujin with something like that.
The ending just leaves too many questions.
 
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Good idea really. Wilfried's father complex could only really be controlled by Darius (although no-one else really tries).

The Angel Realm would have attacked if Julius had visited, so the best way would have been to make sure the military and so on staged their coup before he could have visited.

Yes, the ending is ambiguous, especially with the extra section - wonder what happened to Wilfried after he killed Julius. Would he try and interfere with the timeline or not?
 
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Low key I was more invested in the plot of the game itself than anything else. I basically fast forwarded through any porn scenes because I was so wrapped up in everything. Kind of a shame it has the porn scenes in some ways, or I'd totally share this one with some of my friends.

The ending is quite the cliffhanger and even makes it seem like there are (or at least were at the time of release) intentions to continue the story. Alas, here we are seven years later with nary a sequel in sight.

Personally if I were continuing the series I'd probably do something with the three new witches they sent back in the end. Start over again with Wilfried and Ria dealing with Erika in the first game, only for three more NEW witches to show up and steal some of the three previous witches power, and then one of them assaults the demon world, one assaults the human world, and one assaults the angel world. As a result Wilfried and Ria would end up teaming up with Erika and Finne much earlier on, and slowly get the other original witches and maybe even Adler on his side as the series progressed.

Along the course of the game we'd see subtle interferences from White-Hair Ria and Demon Lord Wilfried in the background, with a similar 'ending' happening with Wilfried getting stabbed, only with him genuinely breaking the chains of fate this time. Final boss could be Julius or Demon Lord Wilfried. There was an implication in some of the Codex entries on Julius that he might secretly be a cross-dressing woman, so maybe do something with that as a reveal later on. Finally lead into either an ending with Wilfried and Ria marrying and becoming the Demon King and Queen of the Demon World, or a Harem ending with him marrying all of the witches and conquering all three worlds.
 
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Interesting ideas there. Yes, it's certainly possible that Julius was female, and was only declared male to keep the royal household in power. And finding out who the backup witches were, would have been interesting.

Could also find out who Wilfried's mother was

I never felt Escu:de wanted to continue with the series, and the ambiguous ending was on purpose. I did actually tweet to them many years ago, about it, but never had a reply/

All subsequent visual novels have never been trilogies, so presumably, they aren't fond of them.
 
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So what happened to Julius in the end?
Plz tell me he dead!
So there's a secret scene that gives some information about what happened to him, that you can unlock on the main menu after beating the game. Click on the television. I was only able to get it to work RIGHT after beating the game, it stopped working when I started doing new game+.

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Yes, Julius knew his time would soon be up, as soon as the Saint appeared.

It's abigious what happened next - presumably the military and/or anti-royals so on would take over the country. I suspect it would have created a civil war of some sort. It's also possible they would have launched another attack on the Demon realm, either to deflect attention or due to some aggrivation from the demons themselves.

Of course, the latter could have used the instability to launch a revenge attack, although I suspect there would hardly anything left with which to do so.

Either way, it would spell the end of the Rosweil empire - and no doubt Alicia too (which would tally with her codex entry, although of course she could be dead long before Julius dies), and as stated in-game, the Demon Realm was reverting back to a previous time, so no doubt both worlds would be politically and socially unstable for a very long time.

As for Wilfried, he obviously now has the power to travel through time, so there isn't any reason why he couldn't stop himself. However, I don't think that would be his aim (especially as he wrote the forbidden book) - like Ria's obession with Wilfried, to the debrement of everyone else, all he cares about is meeting her again.

Whether Ria would accept him now, is unknown - as is whether they would actually meet, especially as both are now time travelling.

Hopefully, Ria going back would manage to stop Wilfried and the mess he creates - the witches being the main beneficiaries if she does.
 
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So what happened to Julius in the end?
Plz tell me he dead!
This is it :

From Julius's dialogue it does sound that both Wilfried and Ria failed (again) and everything is in an infinite loop.

I always thought after playing the first episode, that the story being played out wasn't the first time it was done.
 
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I think it's pretty safe to say that all the witches (bar Alicia) were Demons (after all both Iris and Erika lived there, along with their parents). They probably had innate talent to use magic on a basic level, which Ria helped develop further for them.

I think this sums up poor old Erika very well.

I don't think it was mention why Ria ended up with black wings, beyond the fact that Erika transformed her.

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One thing I did find odd with the siloquies after the Re;Lord 3 end credits, is that Kaya states that she failed to protect. But that is incorrect, as she protected Iris and Kurt and died doing so.
It's possible she was actually referring to Iris giving up her life to aid Ria. Which would mean there would be some sort of afterlife in the Demon World as she would be looking on.
 

Kili Krieger

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Interesting ideas there. Yes, it's certainly possible that Julius was female,
Julius was a woman. It's revealed in the extras by Alicia's VA I think. Her full name was Julius Lily Roseweill.

I never felt Escu:de wanted to continue with the series, and the ambiguous ending was on purpose. I did actually tweet to them many years ago, about it, but never had a reply/
Me too! It was the only time I took the time to compose a tweet in Japanese, just to ask them if they will ever continue. They never did reply though. I still check their website hoping for a sequel time to time.

What's worse is that Erika was in love with Wilfried (although the idiot didn't see it)
He knew. It's what makes it so much more grim. In an event before the last battle he says "I may be somewhat socially inept, but I'm not an idiot" (paraphrasing) when Erica meets him at night and goes away without saying anything.

I honestly wish they made a non-H anime out of this. The gameplay, while fun, I don't really care for. But I would love to be able to recommend it to people. I actually have, but making people read VN is a near impossible task.
 
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