VN Ren'Py Completed Rebirth [Ep.1-5 All in One] [LikesBlondes]

[Ayhsel]

So basically in the undead nature female vampires are stuck with a body that doesn't change/ovulate have a menstrual cycle anymore. How about male vampires, the MC in this case does he shoot blanks? Or could he get a female human pregnant
Not sure how I'd feel if the women wouldn't be swallowing gametes.
And what exactly do you differentiate with disease and undead ? Isn't that lore the same?
I get the demonic part though.

By disease I mean that it is essentially a sickness, almost always is a virus, but I remember seeing situation in which an actual disease end up being considered the birth of the vampire myth, as having extreme iron deficiency or some crap like that.

Undead is hard to defined as it is a contradiction: an undead is a dead person that actually moves, act and live. But it is not alive. Totally no sense haha. Essentially, the clear example of an undead is a zombie. Zombies and vampires are not the same, but they are both usually considered undead.

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The term seems to come from the idea that you can be not dead without being alive.

Which brings me to another question in vampire reproduction. How was MC turned? Just by a bite or was he also fed/drank her blood or was saliva enough.. And how does that play into undead/ disease lore... This is all so confusing..

It is not shown whether it was just a bite or it was required for MC to drink her blood. In the more likely Rebirth setting, to turn a human into a vampire you draim her and in those very short seconds between dying you make her drink your blood. Just drinking blood without draining her would make her a ghoul or thrall, as Laurie. And just drinking will simply kill her.

 

[DA22]

Well I am not trying to get you into trouble and would argue this is on topic for Rebirth as well, understanding the lore/biology of Vampirism..

So basically in the undead nature female vampires are stuck with a body that doesn't change/ovulate have a menstrual cycle anymore. How about male vampires, the MC in this case does he shoot blanks? Or could he get a female human pregnant
Not sure how I'd feel if the women wouldn't be swallowing gametes.
And what exactly do you differentiate with disease and undead ? Isn't that lore the same?
I get the demonic part though.

Which brings me to another question in vampire reproduction. How was MC turned? Just by a bite or was he also fed/drank her blood or was saliva enough.. And how does that play into undead/ disease lore... This is all so confusing..

It became confusing cause people needed to make vampires sympathetic and/or intelligent so they would make great romance interests or worthy enemies (Dracula). In older folklore they are just terrifying soulless undead (soulless is actually the defining thing if remember right) and very hungry creatures, but hell those make only generic opponents and lousy love interests. Though there was always the Lilith legend to support the more demonic base for vampirism of course. (For some reason she is my bet for the Blood Queen).

Like for Rebirth if MC only thirsted for blood there would not be much of a story or the more romantic relation with Sharon. So lore is very dependent on the setting and how they wanted to modernize vampires for the goal they want to use them for. So I would not be surprised for the goals of this game MC can shoot real sperm and would be able to impregnate a real female if that is where dev wants to go. Also if my guess of Lilith as the Blood Queen is true then we are talking the more demonic origin of vampires as the one for the setting.

Modern vampires are wonderfully pliable.

 

[c3p0]

So basically in the undead nature female vampires are stuck with a body that doesn't change/ovulate have a menstrual cycle anymore. How about male vampires, the MC in this case does he shoot blanks? Or could he get a female human pregnant

Getting hard, as official answer from the game is, if you have enough blood it is possible. To produce sperm you need a body that has more "life" in it than rather a big bag of blood.
And as I understand Rebirth and also VTM is around this explanation.

Not sure how I'd feel if the women wouldn't be swallowing gametes.
And what exactly do you differentiate with disease and undead ? Isn't that lore the same?

Undead is no "normal" body function, for a doc you would appear to be dead. See also what happend with the blond vampire (my mind and names).
Disease on the other hand, you could be to 99% human only with the plus and cons of a vampire disease on top of it. What this means for the human depends on the setting. It would also be possible to have a cure for this disease so a vampire could be turned back.
We're a undead vampire in most case couldn't be turned back.

Also for Ayhsel and all others here: Here is my safe haven

 

[Ayhsel]

Modern vampires are wonderfully pliable.

I remember reading somewhere in a extreme simplfication: Modern vampires are essentially super stylish zombies. hehe

 

[Ragnar]

First sexy time

I hope we can choose with who.
My MC treats Laurie and Carmen well and is focused on Sharon mostly, It's too soon to bang Carmen and Laurie has the blood thing, she isn't sure about her feelings anymore, so Sharon ftw.

 

[andrew david irving]

Wow so much lore ... if you check the 127 sources on wiki regarding folklore and vampire traits in particular reproduction - 53 say a qualified yes, 42 say no and the rest do not consider the subject ... I am happy for the dev to tell their own story.....

 

[tombeir]

By disease I mean that it is essentially a sickness, almost always is a virus, but I remember seeing situation in which an actual disease end up being considered the birth of the vampire myth, as having extreme iron deficiency or some crap like that.

Undead is hard to defined as it is a contradiction: an undead is a dead person that actually moves, act and live. But it is not alive. Totally no sense haha. Essentially, the clear example of an undead is a zombie. Zombies and vampires are not the same, but they are both usually considered undead.

here is more detail of undead

You must be registered to see the links

The term seems to come from the idea that you can be not dead without being alive.


It is not shown whether it was just a bite or it was required for MC to drink her blood. In the more likely Rebirth setting, to turn a human into a vampire you draim her and in those very short seconds between dying you make her drink your blood. Just drinking blood without draining her would make her a ghoul or thrall, as Laurie. And just drinking will simply kill her.

Bro MC drank from Carmen too right? So would it make her a thrall as well?

 

[Ayhsel]

Wow so much lore ... if you check the 127 sources on wiki regarding folklore and vampire traits in particular reproduction - 53 say a qualified yes, 42 say no and the rest do not consider the subject ... I am happy for the dev to tell their own story.....

53 yes vs 42 no is way more than I would expect. Nice job! Do you know if it changes according to undead or not undead lore? Did you check reproduction itself of pregnancy?

 

[Ayhsel]

Bro MC drank from Carmen too right? So would it make her a thrall as well?

Em I am not sure I follow the question. Subject (human or vampire under some conditions) A drinking on vampire subject B makes subject A a thrall of B. MC drunk on Carmen, which is human. No enthrallment there.

 

[tombeir]

I hope we can choose with who.
My MC treats Laurie and Carmen well and is focused on Sharon mostly, It's too soon to bang Carmen and Laurie has the blood thing, she isn't sure about her feelings anymore, so Sharon ftw.

I think it gonna be Sharon too. The Dev has been building up to it right? And we just met Carmen.

 

[andrew david irving]

Hi Ayhsel, the number 52 yes that I quoted only covers the sexual fertility of vampires and does not include reproduction by bile, scratches or blood for example. In essence there are many more yes'es if these paths are included ...

 

[Ragnar]

Bro MC drank from Carmen too right? So would it make her a thrall as well?

That's not how blood bonds work in VTM lore, a vampire can't be thralled by a human, vampires can be thralled by other vampires if they drink blood from them three times.
An interesting thing is how Sharon drank MC's blood due to her injuries, that put her in the path of being MC's thrall, but later she mades the MC drink her blood without telling him about how blood blonds work among vampires.
Usually when two vampires are lovers they bond each other with a blood bond.

 

[Raptus Puellae]

Prepare for a harem bath time with Merrick and Andrew!

I hope we can choose with who.
My MC treats Laurie and Carmen well and is focused on Sharon mostly, It's too soon to bang Carmen and Laurie has the blood thing, she isn't sure about her feelings anymore, so Sharon ftw.

it's too soon for Sharon due to her worldview and self restraining, but... Miri was really into the MC...

 

[Ragnar]

it's too soon for Sharon due to her worldview and self restraining, but... Miri was really into the MC...

Who's Miri? The cop chick?

 

[crabsinthekitchen]

That's not how blood bonds work in VTM lore, a vampire can't be thralled by a human, vampires can be thralled by other vampires if they drink blood from them three times.
An interesting thing is how Sharon drank MC's blood due to her injuries, that put her in the path of being MC's thrall, but later she mades the MC drink her blood without telling him about how blood blonds work among vampires.
Usually when two vampires are lovers they bond each other with a blood bond.

I remember Sharon talking about blood bonds and how she and Astrid almost thralled each other, was it before or after that scene?

 

[Ragnar]

I remember Sharon talking about blood bonds and how she and Astrid almost thralled each other, was it before or after that scene?

Could be, I don't remember that conversation exactly.

 

[crabsinthekitchen]

Could be, I don't remember that conversation exactly.

I remembered it wrong since she doesn't mention Astrid, she just mentions she came close to it once and it's kinda obvious who it was with, it's at the end of Episode 1. And archon wanted Sharon to become his thrall so MC knew vamps can become thralls even before he gave Sharon his blood

 

[tombeir]

That's not how blood bonds work in VTM lore, a vampire can't be thralled by a human, vampires can be thralled by other vampires if they drink blood from them three times.
An interesting thing is how Sharon drank MC's blood due to her injuries, that put her in the path of being MC's thrall, but later she mades the MC drink her blood without telling him about how blood blonds work among vampires.
Usually when two vampires are lovers they bond each other with a blood bond.

so what happens when vampires thrall each other?

 

[tombeir]

Ayhsel , that game in your signature, house in fate morgana, is it good? i saw some good reviews for it

 

[Ragnar]

so what happens when vampires thrall each other?

They share a strong bond of love and can't betray each other in theory, with time blood bonds weaken so they have to drink their partner blood from time to time to strenght it.
Some Clans and vampires use enthralments to keep younger vampires in line.

So it works like this:
> Human drink vampire blood 3 times and becomes a thrall, he is a slave to said vampire.
> Vampire drink other vampire blood 3 times, the same as above.
> 2 vampires share each other blood 3 times, they form a blood bond like lovers/allies.