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Yeah, the MC just learns about the meditaion thing, and how dangerous it can be to drink so much. Then he drinks three times in 24 hours just to get his dick hard. Or how Sharon tells MC he needs to find a blood doll, and then tells him the dangers of being sloppy in prepairing one, after one has already arrived at their door.
Sorry for double posting. Just saw this.

Sharon is teaching moderation in order to preserve humanity per her discussion. However, drinking blood happens all the time from the bottles that Sharon has. There is a key to this. Her mantra is to drink yes, you need sustenance, but you choose when and how to drink consciously. That is the mantra. She takes it to the extreme going 2 weeks without a drink per her statement.

The concept that in order to copulate that the male vamps have to fill up is simply a construct of the story, though it makes sense. In VtM vampires drank blood pretty much nightly and it cost them no humanity unless they killed someone, and then it was a possibility. Sharon is careful to caution the MC to not go too long, because if you starve you will frenzy. During frenzy you will more than likely kill, and thus have a chance to loose humanity. In any case, Blood Dolls are a part of the VtM culture as well as Rebirth, as those willing to share their blood for the kiss (sucking blood of the human cause vampire and human a blissful high) and in fact, humans can become addicted to this in addition to addicted to vampire blood if thralled.

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Again you are mischaracterizing the enthrallment of Laurie. That act was the only way Laurie got to live after blabbing to Astrid what the MC blabbed to her.
This is actually EXTREMELY reasonable . The concept of absolute secrecy with regard to vampire existence is hard wired based on what Ptolemy and LikesBlondes are using as their inspiration which is Vampire the Masquerade.
We have already danced this dance, meaning you and I, and I thought this was pretty well expressed to you already.

Anyhow
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We have already danced this dance, meaning you and I, and I thought this was pretty well expressed to you already.
Tbh, you just repeating to me how the story goes doesn't really show me how it's supposed to be more compelling than I think it is, because I've played the game myself. Especially since my point is that some things aren't fleshed out well enough, which you're kinda proving by filling in the gaps using the lore of other games that did it better.
 
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I haven't posted in a while but a quick summary of this episode


Overall a good episode i don't think the Mom of MC would have changed anything. But we have done everything without her knowing something like this seems more like a desperate attempt to keep the viewer/reader engaged with the story.
The Ivy interaction should have played out in to the morning/evening to just see how she would react to wake up in a strange environment.
The frank encounter could use some violence (Just to see Mc beat up some old blood Nos) I honestly think he could wreck some face
I would love to see Laurie interact with Astrid (just to see if MC's blood is strong enough to counter Astrid charms )
the interaction with Marcius was dissapointing i honestly thought MC Would be more combative due to earlier interactions. Maybe even some revenge (Since Marcius called himself a god ) And would love to see MC lineage play a role and honestly say fuck you to Marcius

Overal rating for this episode 3.5/5
 
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Alright. Started downloading this a while back, but never played it because of other games I've been playing. Started it the other day so I'm only on Episode 1. They just moved to the new town to find out who's disappearing people. Liking it so far. But, what I really like is the background music for it. I don't know the name of it, or if you can get it on iTunes, Spotify, or anything, but I dig it.
 

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Tbh, you just repeating to me how the story goes doesn't really show me how it's supposed to be more compelling than I think it is, because I've played the game myself. Especially since my point is that some things aren't fleshed out well enough, which you're kinda proving by filling in the gaps using the lore of other games that did it better.
The authors have agreed that they are using VtM as an inspiration and are adding their own mythology to separate themselves from that intellectual property for copyright reasons. It remains that they themselves admit the referenced materials.

Additionally if you read in the first chapter, you will see that Marcius' intent is to punish Sharon punitively for this transgression. I am truly not sure if you are just missing this? Sharon states it loud and clear. MC understands it and initially assumes that Sharon will enthrall Laurie to meet the conditions of her being allowed to survive. Then Laurie herself acknowledges this. Where in all of that is this point not made? She MUST be enthralled. Sharon suggests the that the regnant be the MC. Laurie was either going to become Sharon or the MC's thrall. Or Laurie would be dead. This is extremely clear in the scenes progressing through the summons to Marcius' court and the aftermath.

In all of that you still think that it was arbitrary on the part of the MC to make Laurie his thrall? If you are faced with the inevitability that Laurie must become someone's thrall, and the choice is you as her best friend (who would watch out for her better than a stranger would) or the new vampire acquaintance who has been assigned as your mentor?

The issue here is that you seem to think that this is not made abundantly clear in the story as a condition of Laurie's survival, and that it is just a kink. It is a direct result of the research which was performed by the authors in prepping to write a novel which is deriving it's inspiration from White Wolf's Vampire the Masquerade.

My frustration is you seem to be purposely ignoring any attempt to correct your flawed perception, and it is flawed.
Anyhow
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Double Post Time!!!!
Warning that I am working on a table top session tonight, that is for some Sabbat characters, so I am in a {mood}

I haven't posted in a while but a quick summary of this episode


Overall a good episode i don't think the Mom of MC would have changed anything. But we have done everything without her knowing something like this seems more like a desperate attempt to keep the viewer/reader engaged with the story.
The Ivy interaction should have played out in to the morning/evening to just see how she would react to wake up in a strange environment.
The frank encounter could use some violence (Just to see Mc beat up some old blood Nos) I honestly think he could wreck some face
I would love to see Laurie interact with Astrid (just to see if MC's blood is strong enough to counter Astrid charms )
the interaction with Marcius was dissapointing i honestly thought MC Would be more combative due to earlier interactions. Maybe even some revenge (Since Marcius called himself a god ) And would love to see MC lineage play a role and honestly say fuck you to Marcius

Overal rating for this episode 3.5/5
I like where your head is at on this post.... if I may offer my own twisted vision.........

So if I were writing this novel, which of course I am not, I would not have included the mom scene at all, and certainly would not have had Ms. Olivia allow the MC's mom into the apartment, given how she has been portrayed in the past as being a buffer to the MC and those wishing to see him. To have allowed mom in the apartment is a violation of Olivia's character. She could invite mom into her apartment... I could see that... but mine? No.

However if I were to include that scene let me be frank *not the Nos* If I were the main character and that was my mother stating she was in my apartment blah blah blah, I would have told her to get the fuck out of said apartment and for her to shut the fuck up.(bad vampires know where it is but of course I can not say that to mom, but I can be enough of an asshole to cause her to leave).

Additionally, since it is obvious that the MC wants nothing to do with his mother, and Sharon had already advised us to cut our connections to spare those we care for, I would make it clear to mother that she is a twat and I do not ever want to speak to her again. This is all if I actually love my mom and want her to stay out of this unlife......

On the other hand, if I am really that pissed at my mom for some reason, I would Whisper her to get my information to address why I was pissed, feed her my blood, and then thrall the cunt. The only possible way there would be anything more than her scrubbing floors would be if she had useful skills. If she did, she becomes another income source.

Also I might offer her as meat for the Mayor to fuck if he wanted.... and anyone else who I thought might be won over using her as bait. Once she was no longer useful, I would find a Nos, a really big, bad, ugly one, and offer her as his personal love toy. He could just take over her feedings and eventually she would bond to him.... yesssssssssss......... That would be truly sadistic vampire shit....... and the added bonus would be to provide income in the form of prostitution of her milf ass, and the selling her once she is used up to the Nos...... yesssss

The very next thing would be to call Ms. Olivia and leave a message to specifically eject my mother from my apartment and do not allow her or anyone else without my expressed permission into my apartment. I would follow this up with a visit to Ms. Olivia and Whisper her into compliance. Upon finding out that she is thralled to anyone else, she would become my snack. If she is not thralled, then she would become my new thrall and her rental income becomes my rental income, her fairly good looking milf ass would likewise be providing my pimp ass some income.

I agree that the time would have been better spent on Ivy and how she reacts to waking up in Sharon's bed the next morning or middle of the night or whatever.

Astrid could most likely charm Laurie, but she could not induce her to act in a way that would harm her regnant. It would be a fun interaction though. I would have already instructed Laurie that if the cunt tries anything, to pull out the gun and shoot her in her tits, twat and face. No it wouldn't kill her, but man would that be satisfying.

With Frank making snarky comments that point to him believing he is superior and taking an attitude with me as the MC, I certainly would have taken some action. Since Merrick told us that he has visions, I would have had no issue using Whispers on him to have him tell me everything, and then forget that we had that interaction.

Assuming I showed restraint to a point, once I saw him touch the ground and comment, I would Instantly Whisper at that point and press him on his touching the ground in the SAME FUCKING WAY WE JUST DID AT THE HOSPITAL and would have asked him what he saw. Then finish that Whisper session as referenced above.

Sharon has commented we are becoming more powerful by the day. We clearly are. I would not necessarily use violence on Frank prior to his gripping the shovel, in fact, he never would have gotten that far due to my Whispering above, but if for some reason he retained free will, and when I saw him threaten Sharon I would have gotten in his face at that moment, with claws out and said for him to drop the god damned shovel NOW. *without Whispers so If he reacts poorly I could beat him down manstyle*

So assuming that provoked him, I would slap the shit out of him, as I will not allow Sharon to be further disrespected more by the Nos than she already has been by having Markus come to me instead of her. If the situation required killing Frank, then I would have, but not until I Whispered everything out of his bleeding shit fucked body, and then as gross as it would be, I would drain that fucker down.

Marcius' summons- I would have asked Zephir to hang around with us and ditch that bald fuck. If she resisted my natural charms and provided further insistence that I go to Marcius, would have resulted in me Whispering to Zephir to seduce her away, and then I would go to Marcius. The second he says I was answering his "summons" I would tell Marcius that I do not answer to him in any way and he can suck my flaccid cock. Based on his reaction, I would Whisper him to get the information I thought was important, and if there was nothing interesting to me, I would slash his guts onto the floor and drink him dry. Anyone interfering would be subject to further wrath on my part.

Does what I wrote above conform to the spirit of the novel? Yes and no. Then again, there are things I would have written differently, earlier on, which would have made things flow a bit more this way.

However, all of that said, this is my favorite AVN and I am going with the flow.... Should I ever be in a position to write a story of my own, I can assure you, gentle readers, that there would be a lot more opportunity to choose vampiric maneuvering by using powers to get more information, and protection of assets and those who are dear to the MC. Were my MC in possession of the powers that this MC has, the Skalds would have been bowing and scraping and divulging what I want to know.. Then forgetting they ever saw me... Marcius would be dead. Astrid would be dead, and no one would know.... because I would be invisible and or using Whispers to cover my murderous intent............

Vampires can be social manipulators, or sneaks, or fighters, or lovers, or all of the above... If the MC were my character in a table top game, we would have 1000% more action and use of disciplines. Whispers gives the MC so much power that it would be impossible to not use it to get all the information I required. None of this morose wringing of hands and puzzled impotence. I would have used Whispers many times in non stressful situations first to determine limits, then I would step it up as needed. Would restraint be needed? Yes. But for fucks like Marcius? He would be last night's snack.

yesssssss my evil vision is receding now... but there you have it!

Peace or something like it!!!!
 
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About 20-30 minutes like Arigon said. Personally I wouldn't mind if the chapters were longer, but I suspect if they were , we wouldn't have monthly updates.
I honestly prefer shorter monthly updates over longer updates that come every 3-6 months, or more. Some games take so long to get an update, I usually feel as if I need to start over every update just to remember the story. If it's monthly, even though it's shorter updates, it's all at least still fresh in my mind. It just rolls along smoother, imho.
 
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The authors have agreed that they are using VtM as an inspiration and are adding their own mythology to separate themselves from that intellectual property for copyright reasons. It remains that they themselves admit the referenced materials.
They can consider themselves lucky that they found you as their biggest fan and staunch defender of their fanfic, but it's not at all the norm that readers would need to pick and choose for themselves, which parts of the source are applicable and which aren't. Maybe certain plot points shouldn't be so rushed, so it's actually possible to figure out the lore through the story itself, since it's not possible to tell, which parts are VtM and which are the author's own creation.
I honestly can't see how someone could be OK with putting in the effort to come up with their own head canon for a VN with rushed sub plots full of spelling mistakes. It's not like the authors track record of creating one of the most generic porn VNs is instilling faith that it will be worth it in the end.

To be clear, and I've said this before, I don't hate the game. But I see some missed opportunities and I think we can pull some additional enjoyment out of it, if we don't just overlook the lame parts.

In all of that you still think that it was arbitrary on the part of the MC to make Laurie his thrall?
Not at all and I've never said that. What I've actually said was that I don't critisize what happened, but how it happened, which is also why just repeating the story to me isn't really an argument.

The issue here is that you seem to think that this is not made abundantly clear in the story as a condition of Laurie's survival, and that it is just a kink.
I feel like "abundantly" is the wrong word, because it was pretty rushed. It is made clear that Laurie might die, but it wasn't made clear why the MC would take this threat seriously, since he also didn't take any previous threats seriously. It was rather made clear, through the whole intro and exposition, why enthralling his childhood friend with possible romantic feelings should be serious business, but this also wasn't taken seriously at all. Seriously, the story is written from first person perspective and doesn't have any inner monologue at all.
The MC is pretty bland and doesn't take anything seriously, because we're rushed through the plot to get to the fun parts. Yes, it's just a kink and with the author's previous VN being about hooking up with younger virgin girls, you can't really fault me for thinking that. Domination fetish is the theme of this game and even if it isn't supposed to be, the author doesn't really offer anything else, because of his rushed writing style. This couldn't ever be a romance novel, because of the author's inability to express feelings.
 

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They can consider themselves lucky that they found you as their biggest fan and staunch defender of their fanfic, but it's not at all the norm that readers would need to pick and choose for themselves, which parts of the source are applicable and which aren't. Maybe certain plot points shouldn't be so rushed, so it's actually possible to figure out the lore through the story itself, since it's not possible to tell, which parts are VtM and which are the author's own creation.
I honestly can't see how someone could be OK with putting in the effort to come up with their own head canon for a VN with rushed sub plots full of spelling mistakes. It's not like the authors track record of creating one of the most generic porn VNs is instilling faith that it will be worth it in the end.

To be clear, and I've said this before, I don't hate the game. But I see some missed opportunities and I think we can pull some additional enjoyment out of it, if we don't just overlook the lame parts.



Not at all and I've never said that. What I've actually said was that I don't critisize what happened, but how it happened, which is also why just repeating the story to me isn't really an argument.



I feel like "abundantly" is the wrong word, because it was pretty rushed. It is made clear that Laurie might die, but it wasn't made clear why the MC would take this threat seriously, since he also didn't take any previous threats seriously. It was rather made clear, through the whole intro and exposition, why enthralling his childhood friend with possible romantic feelings should be serious business, but this also wasn't taken seriously at all. Seriously, the story is written from first person perspective and doesn't have any inner monologue at all.
The MC is pretty bland and doesn't take anything seriously, because we're rushed through the plot to get to the fun parts. Yes, it's just a kink and with the author's previous VN being about hooking up with younger virgin girls, you can't really fault me for thinking that. Domination fetish is the theme of this game and even if it isn't supposed to be, the author doesn't really offer anything else, because of his rushed writing style. This couldn't ever be a romance novel, because of the author's inability to express feelings.
You just seem to give some very vague criticisms. That are ultimately a matter of opinion. It was rushed, you say. Compared to what? To other VNs here? To Levin's discovery of God in Anna Karenina?
If you don't like the game, just don't play it.
If you see missed oportunities as you say, do it better. I'm pretty sure this isn't covered by any trademark. Or write a story in the same setting.
I don't get what you're trying to achieve here.
 

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Good, cause I come here to spank to the wank bank and not catch feelings for an animated character. lmao
If I want romance, I'll go watch a chick flick lol.
whoa boy are you in for a disappointment!
This is not a wank spank kinda VN.
Just saying

They can consider themselves lucky that they found you as their biggest fan and staunch defender of their fanfic, but it's not at all the norm that readers would need to pick and choose for themselves, which parts of the source are applicable and which aren't. Maybe certain plot points shouldn't be so rushed, so it's actually possible to figure out the lore through the story itself, since it's not possible to tell, which parts are VtM and which are the author's own creation.
I honestly can't see how someone could be OK with putting in the effort to come up with their own head canon for a VN with rushed sub plots full of spelling mistakes. It's not like the authors track record of creating one of the most generic porn VNs is instilling faith that it will be worth it in the end.

To be clear, and I've said this before, I don't hate the game. But I see some missed opportunities and I think we can pull some additional enjoyment out of it, if we don't just overlook the lame parts.



Not at all and I've never said that. What I've actually said was that I don't critisize what happened, but how it happened, which is also why just repeating the story to me isn't really an argument.



I feel like "abundantly" is the wrong word, because it was pretty rushed. It is made clear that Laurie might die, but it wasn't made clear why the MC would take this threat seriously, since he also didn't take any previous threats seriously. It was rather made clear, through the whole intro and exposition, why enthralling his childhood friend with possible romantic feelings should be serious business, but this also wasn't taken seriously at all. Seriously, the story is written from first person perspective and doesn't have any inner monologue at all.
The MC is pretty bland and doesn't take anything seriously, because we're rushed through the plot to get to the fun parts. Yes, it's just a kink and with the author's previous VN being about hooking up with younger virgin girls, you can't really fault me for thinking that. Domination fetish is the theme of this game and even if it isn't supposed to be, the author doesn't really offer anything else, because of his rushed writing style. This couldn't ever be a romance novel, because of the author's inability to express feelings.
I realize I am never going to get through to you on this. That is ok. BTW for author references this is both LikesBlondes and Ptolemy. (in case you want to look at both author's works)

There is a pretty clear delineation of the folks who post here.
1- the people who get "it"
2- folks complaining about the lack of sex
3- the folks who do not get it, and try to fill that gap with other porn labels such as domination or other kink, not realizing that this is a story that is meant to be taken in a completely different context.
You are clearly in group number 3.

Education of groups 2 and 3 is frankly pretty exhausting. I am likely to just start face palming instead of trying to help people enjoy the novel for what it really is.
Peace
 
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whoa boy are you in for a disappointment!
This is not a wank spank kinda VN.
Just saying
There's enough in it to draw me in. I posted about my reason for being here in a previous comment. I'm a big fan of vampires. Once had a LARGE vampire film DVD collection. lol Anywho...the story is actually pretty cool to me. I enjoy it, even though some others may not. And as I've said before, I don't expect small time writers, much like many of the writers of these type games, to come up with writing as grand as the likes of Stephen King or George Lucas. But if it has some sorta element that draws me in, then so be it. It's unusual for me to enjoy a VN without a ton of porn, but as I said, there's enough in this to get me going. Even the insinuation of it at times can be enough lol...otherwise how could a person enjoy RPGM or text-based without any images at all haha
 

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So we are about 60% of the way through Chapter 3.....We are seeing some movement from out of Scottstown players that are impacting our intrepid cohort there in Sharon's fief/domain. I am predicting that there will be some gratuitously Tarentino style violence, (sadly no Samuel L. Jackson lines of absolute poetry of violence) but violence none the less.

It may well follow after a bit of maneuvering on the vampire chessboard, but I think when Calisto visits that is going to signal the beginning of some epic violence, and yeah some vampire voodoo slapping around various folks. Scottstown is clearly under scrutiny and therefore I do not think Calisto visiting will be entirely un-noticed. She will not travel alone I am betting. Fabian, Cindy, and maybe a couple other security types will probably come along. I mean she "could" come on her own, but I do not think that the Temple is going to just have their matriarch go anywhere without some reasonable backup within a few yards of her.

Once she visits, I think that anyone who becomes aware of it, and her interest in the MC is going to think that it will be an opportunity for a glorious boost in their power as they snack down what they assume is a low generation, relatively powerless snack. I could easily see everyone from the Princep on down looking eagerly for some free power juice in our veins.

Just a morning ramble, but I actually spend a little time each day reflecting on this story as I am scratching together my own story. I am not quite sure what I am going to end up with at the end, as my DAZ skills suck balls. I might just cobble together a text only story first, and then spend the time to actually really learn how to do proper animations/renders. I finally have a couple of machines up and running for that purpose but it takes me forever on that, which frustrates me in terms of writing the story. Well enough whining about that. The point is I reflect and ponder several sources, as I seek to create a story that folks can enjoy whether they know any of my inspirations or not. I certainly do not want to be a copy cat. Then again, I write enough crazy shit ball theories on here that you guys know I am kind of "out there" :D

Peace
 
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They can consider themselves lucky that they found you as their biggest fan and staunch defender of their fanfic, but it's not at all the norm that readers would need to pick and choose for themselves, which parts of the source are applicable and which aren't. Maybe certain plot points shouldn't be so rushed, so it's actually possible to figure out the lore through the story itself, since it's not possible to tell, which parts are VtM and which are the author's own creation.
I honestly can't see how someone could be OK with putting in the effort to come up with their own head canon for a VN with rushed sub plots full of spelling mistakes. It's not like the authors track record of creating one of the most generic porn VNs is instilling faith that it will be worth it in the end.

To be clear, and I've said this before, I don't hate the game. But I see some missed opportunities and I think we can pull some additional enjoyment out of it, if we don't just overlook the lame parts.



Not at all and I've never said that. What I've actually said was that I don't critisize what happened, but how it happened, which is also why just repeating the story to me isn't really an argument.



I feel like "abundantly" is the wrong word, because it was pretty rushed. It is made clear that Laurie might die, but it wasn't made clear why the MC would take this threat seriously, since he also didn't take any previous threats seriously. It was rather made clear, through the whole intro and exposition, why enthralling his childhood friend with possible romantic feelings should be serious business, but this also wasn't taken seriously at all. Seriously, the story is written from first person perspective and doesn't have any inner monologue at all.
The MC is pretty bland and doesn't take anything seriously, because we're rushed through the plot to get to the fun parts. Yes, it's just a kink and with the author's previous VN being about hooking up with younger virgin girls, you can't really fault me for thinking that. Domination fetish is the theme of this game and even if it isn't supposed to be, the author doesn't really offer anything else, because of his rushed writing style. This couldn't ever be a romance novel, because of the author's inability to express feelings.

I feel like "abundantly" is the wrong word, because it was pretty rushed. It is made clear that Laurie might die, but it wasn't made clear why the MC would take this threat seriously, since he also didn't take any previous threats seriously.

When you find yourself as one of the undead, it to me would be hard to not take it seriously. As for Laurie I for one saw the angst that he felt to put her in a dangerous situation... Maybe we are not reading the same VN.

Seriously, the story is written from first person perspective and doesn't have any inner monologue at all.

The issue of the writing being rushed along with the lack of an inner Dialogue I find is not founded in My eyes. I see the pace as well metered, as it stays fluid without a bunch of self exploration and cerebral BS that a lot of VN writers fall into. I am sure that my views are not liked by some, and will be embraced by others.
 
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Is each of these versions, stand alone games, or do I need to merge each update. I just discovered this game and want to play. But it's confusing . All these different versions
 

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Is each of these versions, stand alone games, or do I need to merge each update. I just discovered this game and want to play. But it's confusing . All these different versions
First you should play ep1. Then import save into ep2, play that and finally import that into ep3.
 

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Is each of these versions, stand alone games, or do I need to merge each update. I just discovered this game and want to play. But it's confusing . All these different versions
There are not to be merged. Ground rule one of any Ren'py games is you don't merge files. (We do also not speak about Ren'py, but that is another topic.)
If you would need to merge files then it would be explicit named.
As written above, download all three parts and play through it. Import your save from EP1 when asked in EP2 and the same for EP3.
Also, if a new version is release, simple download and extract it, but don't merge them. On Windows you can delete the old version, don't know how it is for the other systems.
 
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