VN Ren'Py Completed Rebirth [Ep.1-5 All in One] [LikesBlondes]

[Verbalvonitcomet]

Ok, restarted... and

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Five years after, 5 chapters after, and I haven't realised yet who this girl is. Am I dumb?

Is she the First vampire? is she the one who "created" Calisto? is she the elder in the cave?

ideas?

Ok, restarted... and

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Five years after, 5 chapters after, and I haven't realised yet who this girl is. Am I dumb?

Is she the First vampire? is she the one who "created" Calisto? is she the elder in the cave?

ideas?

The VN is loosely based on these Two goddesses Erishkigal and Artemus. sorry if I butcher up these names.

Erishkigal was the goddess of the underworld and sister to Artemus who was herself known as the Goddess of the hunt.

Erishkigal killed and imprisoned Artimus in the underworld.

Artimus had a High priestess who's name is Callisto according to myth.

Callisto who once served Artimus now only serves herself as Artimus has been missing for Eons.

If you are familiar with this mythical story then Callisto had a son who turned and tried to destroy her... His name was Virgil.

You can see Vision girl as we have come to call Artimus linked to you through the blood of Callisto.

Artimus created Callisto to serve her needs and to preserve the Temple.

 

[Verbalvonitcomet]

Not sure if that is something new or not. It has been a while since I did my playthrough and replay, I had whispers and invisibility. Yet it was still game over in chap 4. When I searched around on this forum the only other option anyone had mentioned was the dagger to prevent the game over. Maybe my stats weren't high enough for that option or maybe it was a change. The walkthrough I found showed pretty much all the choices and what boosts you get. It only showed the required minimum stats to get abilities the first time they were available. Honestly I wouldn't call it a walkthrough as much as just a list of the choices and the stats they boost.

On a different note about abilities, there was one I never managed to get "ride the senses". Not sure how to get that one, I know where it comes in but didn't manage to get it. After chapter 1 I think there is only one choice to pick between stats which is either stealth or prowess the rest are static boosts. My replay was a balanced choice of stats to get all 3 abilities when first available and all were the top boosts. The last choice I went with stealth over prowess since it was the last chance to raise stealth as a choice and prowess was all the remaining static boosts. Maybe when it's all finished I'll make pick up from a save before that choice and pick prowess to see if it unlocks ride the senses for me. Unless there are more hidden stat boost/check scenes that weren't in the walkthrough I used, that can be the only choice to unlock ride the senses.

Now don't get me wrong it is still a very good game/avn or I wouldn't have replayed it. I just think that the random factor and hidden stat boost scenes were poorly thought out and implemented. Anytime random is used you have to think about the worst case scenario and also plan for that.

When Miri started to question your authority while Sharon was doing her mind fuck on Officer Davis you should push your thoughts into Miri's head.

 

[MoBy28]

When Miri started to question your authority while Sharon was doing her mind fuck on Officer Davis you should push your thoughts into Miri's head.

That is when whispers becomes available for the first time I believe. Ride the senses comes much later after the failed cave exploration when you go back under the city to visit the new Nos Boss if I'm not mistaken. Again I haven't "developed" that ability it wasn't available to me at that point. I can't honestly tell you the requirements for unlocking any of the abilities other than the basic 3 when first made available (10 points in whichever stat is required for the ability). The only thing I can change stat wise is -5 points stealth for +5 prowess after getting all 3 basics unlocked. Not sure if that is what is required or not. Maybe when it's finished I will go back and change that choice in another replay and see if it unlocks for me, but seeing as how so far the abilities only offer more information or bonus scenes not sure if it really will be worth the trouble yet.

 

[evileeyore]

Well if you keep Astrid you need to understand that she will ultimately escape. Taking with her Gregor as well as Mrs. Olivia, Carmen will be on her trail cause she will be after Gregor never to see them again. Bad day all around cuz you pleased Sharon, Mr. PW. Or you could give her to Callisto be rewarded, keep Carmen and at your convenience after eating Marcius you visit mommy and you both end the day with an aperitif. All the while Cindy is so Pissed she can't see straight.

So... no reason (so far*) not to make a different choice when I replay from a chapter or so back. Good to know...


* At this point I'm kinda firmly suspecting that giving in to the Blood Dream Chick will be a bad ending... but we'll see.

These episode transfer bugs have been fixed by the devs, and are freely available

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This is a recurring issue in this thread. It's a mystery why f95 refuse to update the episode 1-4 download links to the fixed versions on Patreon. They have been reported in the past but rejected.

I just dl'ed them from here ("just" as in two weeks ago) and replayed the game as I'd missed the Whispers power completely on my first playthrough (likely bad luck on every Presence attempt as my 1st playthrough never got any plusses to that stat - I actually thought it was a "hard locked out" due to initial choices).

This playthrough Charisma and Prowess are 41 and Stealth only hit 29. I didn't get "Ride the Senses" so I'm geussing it's a Stealth power? I might have to go back a chapter or so if I can figure out where* I missed a Stealth upgrade (if that was it and not something else greying out the choice).

* I know where I missed one, it's a Prowess or Stealth choice.

I did see someone mentioned a choice that gives a dagger from "mommy" to be able to win the fight, however I think that should be implemented as a "failsafe" if you don't have claws and not be a choice based thing.

It's a choice and one you may or may not want to make. I understand leaving it a choice, but then I'd argue the dev needs to make sure all paths lead to victory in Chapter 4 somehow. Or at least not to death.

Like a better game would allow you to lose, have a mudhole stomped into your ass, the person you're championing killed as a consequence, and you unceremoniously tossed out as "a lesson to not challenge me again" (and of course Sharon losing faith/getting upset you went rogue and made things worse)

Also a Stealth victory should be possible.

Also if the MC has secret whispers, he can have someone else do (and win) the fight for him. So there is another no-game-over option for the fight. But yeah, stealth won't cut it.

I had Secret Whispers, but also had Claws and Prowess through the roof so maybe it doesn't give the opportunity in that case?

Five years after, 5 chapters after, and I haven't realised yet who this girl is. Am I dumb?

I had some suspiscions, but as has been revealed in thread, I was so very wrong.

I did suspect it was Callisto's mommy though. And that Cave Troll was an enemy of Bloody Dream Chick.

That is when whispers becomes available for the first time I believe.

You have to have Charisma greater than 10 though. So if you have the luck I had on my first playthrough, you will not get the opportunity here.

 

[-CookieMonster666-]

I had Secret Whispers, but also had Claws and Prowess through the roof so maybe it doesn't give the opportunity in that case?

I'm not sure of all of the specifics. I just know that I had both Claws and Secret Whispers available for the fight, and both let the MC win it. It's very possible it only works if certain other stats are with specific ranges, or if there's some other variable set earlier. I'm definitely not an expert on this game, so I can't really say for sure.

 

[Ottoeight]

The VN is loosely based on these Two goddesses Erishkigal and Artemus. sorry if I butcher up these names.

Erishkigal was the goddess of the underworld and sister to Artemus who was herself known as the Goddess of the hunt.

Erishkigal killed and imprisoned Artimus in the underworld.

Artimus had a High priestess who's name is Callisto according to myth.

Callisto who once served Artimus now only serves herself as Artimus has been missing for Eons.

If you are familiar with this mythical story then Callisto had a son who turned and tried to destroy her... His name was Virgil.

You can see Vision girl as we have come to call Artimus linked to you through the blood of Callisto.

Artimus created Callisto to serve her needs and to preserve the Temple.

Well, the myths I'm familiar with are greek and latin myths, of course. No idea why you guys thought about that obscure sumerian stuff.

The goddesses are Persephone/Proserpina and Artemis/Diana. Callisto was a nymph (or king Lycaon's daughter) and Artemis' follower. Callisto's son is Arcas.

Virgil is the latin poet who wrote the Aeneid, of course. And NO, he never was quaestor.

 

[Meushi]

Well, the myths I'm familiar with are greek and latin myths, of course. No idea why you guys thought about that obscure sumerian stuff.

The goddesses are Persephone/Proserpina and Artemis/Diana. Callisto was a nymph (or king Lycaon's daughter) and Artemis' follower. Callisto's son is Arcas.

Virgil is the latin poet who wrote the Aeneid, of course. And NO, he never was quaestor.

The lore Verbalvonitcomet is talking about is based on Vampire: The Masquerade (VtM) from which this game draws inspiration.

I believe there was dev confirmation that dream girl & cave girl are ancient vampires, and Frode briefly discusses such legendary beings, but no names are used iirc.

There's been a lot of speculation about how Rebirth characters relate to VtM lore, but nothing truly concrete. Searching the thread for posts by Arigon will dredge up a lot of the VtM theory crafting.

 

[DA22]

The lore Verbalvonitcomet is talking about is based on Vampire: The Masquerade (VtM) from which this game draws inspiration.

I believe there was dev confirmation that dream girl & cave girl are ancient vampires, and Frode briefly discusses such legendary beings, but no names are used iirc.

There's been a lot of speculation about how Rebirth characters relate to VtM lore, but nothing truly concrete. Searching the thread for posts by Arigon will dredge up a lot of the VtM theory crafting.

Yeah and Arigon later also became a proofreader for Devs, I have not seen him around here for a long while. Hope he is doing well.

According to him devs (Ptolemy) did let him know some of his theories were correct if not fully in personal chats. The name Inanna was affirmed according to Arigon and mentioned in game as well, also that Callisto was not directly related to dream girl which differed from what Arigon expected. Erishkigal is the sister of Inanna in Sumerian myth and Inanna has had a major influence on the Egyptian goddess Isis, who ofc again is also seen back as different goddesses or parts of them in Greek /Roman myths.

Still if I remember right even if they have the name of those goddesses as with the lending of VtM lore devs did, they lent from mythology but used it and changed it where they wanted. So they are not those goddesses as we know them from myth per se or have same past in full. Within game lore it is likely more that those two vampires and also Callisto in her own right were the inspiration for those myths, the myths are not not per se their (hi)story.

 

[Ottoeight]

Yeah and Arigon later also became a proofreader for Devs, I have not seen him around here for a long while. Hope he is doing well.

According to him devs (Ptolemy) did let him know some of his theories were correct if not fully in personal chats. The name Inanna was affirmed according to Arigon and mentioned in game as well, also that Callisto was not directly related to dream girl which differed from what Arigon expected. Erishkigal is the sister of Inanna in Sumerian myth and Inanna has had a major influence on the Egyptian goddess Isis, who ofc again is also seen back as different goddesses or parts of them in Greek /Roman myths.

Still if I remember right even if they have the name of those goddesses as with the lending of VtM lore devs did, they lent from mythology but used it and changed it where they wanted. So they are not those goddesses as we know them from myth per se or have same past in full. Within game lore it is likely more that those two vampires and also Callisto in her own right were the inspiration for those myths, the myths are not not per se their (hi)story.

Quotin' BaDIK, it's not history but herstory .

Well, these guys who fancy that old discredited theory which claims that "everything" comes from old mesopotamians cultures never cease to make me loudly laugh.

 

[DA22]

Quotin' BaDIK, it's not history but herstory .

Well, these guys who fancy that old discredited theory which claims that "everything" comes from old mesopotamians cultures never cease to make me loudly laugh.

Yeah, def not everything, but later cultures did loan quite a bit from their predecessors, while giving it their own twists in line with their own culture. Less is new as we often think when come to history and considering limited travel available, ideas still travelled quite far though over centuries and millennia.

 

[Ottoeight]

Yeah, def not everything, but later cultures did loan quite a bit from their predecessors, while giving it their own twists in line with their own culture. Less is new as we often think when come to history and considering limited travel available, ideas still travelled quite far though over centuries and millennia.

As a guy who got a Master in History, made a few archive researches reading and collecting historical documents, and read thousands and thousands of scholarly books and academic journals, I'll tell you that amateurs should stop believing that weird theories are facts.

FACTS are facts, and speculations are speculations. As a historian, I always stick with facts ( = documents) and I think that most anthropological theories like the trans-cultural diffusion theory are just a busload of really questionable ideological theories.

 

[Raziel_8]

I'm not sure of all of the specifics. I just know that I had both Claws and Secret Whispers available for the fight, and both let the MC win it. It's very possible it only works if certain other stats are with specific ranges, or if there's some other variable set earlier. I'm definitely not an expert on this game, so I can't really say for sure.

No, not 'Secret Whispers', but 'Ride the Senses' if you want the nos fight Marcius.
And for the fight i think you also need 'Vicious Power', 'Claws' alone are not enough iirc.

This playthrough Charisma and Prowess are 41 and Stealth only hit 29. I didn't get "Ride the Senses" so I'm geussing it's a Stealth power? I might have to go back a chapter or so if I can figure out where* I missed a Stealth upgrade (if that was it and not something else greying out the choice).

I just checked an old save and the problem i had was, that i was not able to get 'Ride the Senses' at all, no matter the points...i get the dialogue that he feels the power but no choice/icon to get it...loaded a save shortly after getting the power and scowled back to get this:

I'm sorry, but an uncaught exception occurred.

While running game code:
File "game/ep4part6.rpy", line 880, in script
menu:
Exception: Required parameter ephemVis has no value.

 

[-CookieMonster666-]

No, not 'Secret Whispers', but 'Ride the Senses' if you want the nos fight Marcius.
And for the fight i think you also need 'Vicious Power', 'Claws' alone are not enough iirc.

Fine, whatever-the-hell the power is called. You use each power like twice, so I never remember the names.

 

[Raziel_8]

Fine, whatever-the-hell the power is called. You use each power like twice, so I never remember the names.

Yeah, a real weak point of the game, you got lot's of different powers but they are never used...kinda pointless.

 

[DA22]

As a guy who got a Master in History, made a few archive researches reading and collecting historical documents, and read thousands and thousands of scholarly books and academic journals, I'll tell you that amateurs should stop believing that weird theories are facts.

FACTS are facts, and speculations are speculations. As a historian, I always stick with facts ( = documents) and I think that most anthropological theories like the trans-cultural diffusion theory are just a busload of really questionable ideological theories.

Not going to discuss this with an expert since I am not one. Still many of those myths do have common themes and stories but also sometimes big changes in which god exactly partakes in them and their gender from cultures that we do know have had contact, sometimes by trade or war/conquest and where if we go early Mesopotamian times or earlier documents tend to be extremely rare. It would rather be weird if there had not been cross influences as opposed to the American continent, where for any contact we would have to go back way further in history for there to be a land bridge. In which case cultural contamination would mean those myths go back way earlier as assumed and it is way more likely similarities come from having come to same answers to dealing with a certain lifestyle.

Isis is for sure not a copy of Inanna, hell one might even say there are major changes in Inanna herself already in history of Mesopotamia and pretty conflicting myths. Considering some of the myths though in Egyptian culture, it is unlikely that those myths surrounding Inanna did not influence theirs. Whether that was directly or by a shared even earlier origin of those myths or a third party with similar myths that influenced the Egyptians, who knows. It is not like we know that much yet of very early Egyptian culture or pre-Egypt either and are still learning partly due to there not being documents and even if some are there they tend to be declarations of very powerful rich people with their own political motives and better be careful to take them at face value.

 

[Ottoeight]

Not going to discuss this with an expert since I am not one. Still many of those myths do have common themes and stories but also sometimes big changes in which god exactly partakes in them and their gender from cultures that we do know have had contact, sometimes by trade or war/conquest and where if we go early Mesopotamian times or earlier documents tend to be extremely rare. It would rather be weird if there had not been cross influences as opposed to the American continent, where for any contact we would have to go back way further in history for there to be a land bridge. In which case cultural contamination would mean those myths go back way earlier as assumed and it is way more likely similarities come from having come to same answers to dealing with a certain lifestyle.

Isis is for sure not a copy of Inanna, hell one might even say there are major changes in Inanna herself already in history of Mesopotamia and pretty conflicting myths. Considering some of the myths though in Egyptian culture, it is unlikely that those myths surrounding Inanna did not influence theirs. Whether that was directly or by a shared even earlier origin of those myths or a third party with similar myths that influenced the Egyptians, who knows. It is not like we know that much yet of very early Egyptian culture or pre-Egypt either and are still learning partly due to there not being documents and even if some are there they tend to be declarations of very powerful rich people with their own political motives and better be careful to take them at face value.

You simply don't know anything. "It would be weird" is not a valid argument: it's just saying "I wanna believe in what I want to believe in".

In my own opinion silence and "we don't know" is the right answer. But I guess that this answer in this "every-fucking-damn-youtuber-with-100-subscribers-thinks-he-knows-how-to-solve-the-latest-middle-east-crisis" era isn't popular.

 

[DA22]

You simply don't know anything. "It would be weird" is not a valid argument: it's just saying "I wanna believe in what I want to believe in".

In my own opinion silence and "we don't know" is the right answer. But I guess that this answer in this "every-fucking-damn-youtuber-with-100-subscribers-thinks-he-knows-how-to-solve-the-latest-middle-east-crisis" era isn't popular.

It is not like I have not read a lot about archeology and history and also seen how quite a few of the so called scientific theories have been discredited either like the one about Minos or that a political correct world viewpoint has led to some interesting viewpoints. Acting as if there was no cultural assimilation or influencing in ancient times and only started with the Roman empire would be a pretty weird take either.

Science is also about making hypotheses known on based fact and then check those hypotheses. Just what are facts when comes to time you have not thousands of independent documents, is harder to establish. Saying there is no idea of how human civilizations work and that our ancestors were immune to that and operated in a void also does not really fit the facts we do know from every well documented more recent society, even the Japanese when it more or less closed itself off from the world.

These myths though quite often did survive, though we might not have them in their most ancient versions and 2000 years of a Christian viewpoint on them has changed them and even nature of how we look at those goddesses and gods now, which might not be same as the original worshippers who created those myths or incorporated them in their believe systems did view them.

 

[c3p0]

Also from what was shared her, by Arigon and more or less, according to him, was confirmed from the devs themself and what is already in the game:

• Calisto is an ancient vampire, so ancient that most of the vampire that live now, don't know anything about her or her background. For most of them she is a myth at best.
• Inanna is the same to Calisto, as Calisto is for the current day vampire.
• The name Inanna was used in the game in connection with Frode and the other strange vampire "historian"

So, as some vampire going back to 400 years or more (eg. Fabian) and are nothing in compare to Calisto, she needs to be (much) older. Assuming two or more millennia. That again would put Inanna, with the same age difference, to 4 or more millennia and thus into the Early Bronze Age. From that simple "common" fact, Inanna can't belong to the Romans and neither does she belongs to the Greeks, at least not Ancient Greece.

Additionaly, if we assume that Inanna was not a simple women, but one with great power and influence, then it makes sense that she was part of an advanced civilisation. And 2 000 years BC they aren't that much there to pick one. And if she was much older, then the available option (from human history) is even more limited.
Of course, you can always use the writers freedom and just make your own advanced civilisation that is pure fiction. I know from one (well know) author that he had moved cities around the map, so that it makes more sense for his story.

 

[cxx]

Yeah, a real weak point of the game, you got lot's of different powers but they are never used...kinda pointless.

and not all powers revealed yet (aka after marcus).

this isn't might and magic fantasy (and even on those mana is restriction so only some basic spells are used).

 

[-CookieMonster666-]

Of course, you can always use the writers freedom and just make your own advanced civilisation that is pure fiction. I know from one (well know) author that had moved cities around the map, so that it makes more sense for his story.

And I think honestly this really is the key here. People can complain that this thing or that thing is historically inaccurate, and they are very often probably right. But this story is fiction itself, so why should we assume that everything within that pretends to be historically based is fully accurate? Writers very often (unless they have specifically chosen not to) use a certain degree of liberty with historical facts, including places, event dates, biographies of people, and so on.

Take, for instance, the film Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter. Would anyone seriously spend energy trying to debate how this fact or that event isn't what really happened? The entire premise is fiction, so playing around with timelines and interactions should be a part of what viewers willingly suspend of their disbelief to watch the film in the first place. I fail to see why this AVN should be any different: vampires don't actually exist, there's no actual dangerous pool found in a cavern somewhere as portrayed in this game, and so on. Things will very likely not match up in this game. If you're so stubborn about things masquerading as history in fiction reflecting actual history, I'm not sure why you'd play this game.