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i had already theorised that its because Calisto has not made a childe in almost 2.000 years!
its like saving it up for 5 years... once you come inside the bitch she will be glued to the ceiling!

so his blood is like ultra fertilized so all the powers presented on his blood are available to be explored!
his powers will also be more refined and ready to evolve in an ultra fast way!

Combined with Calisto being a 4th or 5th generations and therefore very little blood dilution,
means her childe would always be a glass cannon, fragile due to its age, but an extremly powerfull weapon!
give the MC 100 years and he will probably be almost as powerfull in potencial as Calisto that as stoped evolving!
if he could get the proper schooling in terms of powers and he wouldn´t miss any oportunity
that Calisto might have lost when she was growing up !
One of them is probably invisibility Calisto never took that power,
she probably failed a few others due to fear or lack of schooling!

At the same time she learned a few techniques like the perpetual hard on
or the stomach cramps power that are probably learned and not acquired by bood!

Going invisible to take out Marcus sounds like a fine idea for a stealth based MC, to complement the prowess & charisma options available.
yeah and the next day the MC would be served ice cold on a spit with toothpicks once he shows that he has nos powers...
remember the fight was public all the archons are probably already salivating considering taking him out and absorbing his claw powers
now imagine what they would do if they discovered they could milk the MC for more then just 1 power, or diablarise as aragon called it
 
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the powers part kinda bugs me too at times. These days I just play the new updates, but a long while ago I started a new game and didn't get the invis ability. I think there is some randomness in it.
It's a terrible mechanic for such a long game. Not to mention infuriating. At least have alternate paths to get to the end of the game. I certainly don't want to restart and spend another 2 days figuring out how to avoid a game ending scene by selecting obscure choices. Especially when they give you no hint at all that I'd need a bunch of different powers. I just though it would be cool to play a stealthy vampire so, I focussed on stealth when possible. Apparently it's useless. My charactrer could turn completely invisible. Fighting an invisible enemy would be more than a little difficult, but we didn't even get an option.
 

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I can't believe I spent 2 days playing just to get a game over in chapter 4. That is the most annoying, trollish thing they could do in a visual novel. Will definitely never play another game from this dev again. (n)
There's a game over possibility in chapter 4? Is it the fight with
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I can see that going poorly if you don't have the claws and/or enough "prowess" for the upgrade to them.

Would be good if there were three ways to get through that scene; fight, hide, or mind-control. Or even bonus combinations if you have two or more powers...


also that shield arc was pretty fucking weird, and closed off without any sort of conclusion
I don't that arc is closed just yet.
 
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There are "charscreen.rpy" and "powerscreens.rpy" that has existed since episode 1, these were suppose to show the current powers acquired in the character screen, but to date, the developer has not implemented it.
powerscreens.rpy has been implemented since the start. That's the pop-up when you're offered a new power to accept or not.

You're right about charscreen.rpy though, the code to display powers info on this screen hasn't been implemented.
It's a terrible mechanic for such a long game. Not to mention infuriating. At least have alternate paths to get to the end of the game. I certainly don't want to restart and spend another 2 days figuring out how to avoid a game ending scene by selecting obscure choices.
It's not a mechanic issue. Frankly the occasional acquisition and use of the powers are one of the few times anything interesting happens.

The problem isn't the mechanic, it's buggy code to transfer stats between episodes. Players stats get nuked when moving between episodes, which means they subsequently don't have good enough stats to get later powers.

The game over is intended for people who chose to reject powers when offered. With the save transfer bugs it catches unintended victims.

These episode transfer bugs have been fixed by the devs, and are freely available .

So the solution to your problem is to download episodes 1-4 from Patreon and play through them again. To avoid taking 2 days again, just hit the Tab key. Since you've already played, it will skip through everything until it hits a choice, dialogue you haven't seen before, or an episode end. Doing this you can play episodes 1-4 in minutes, because there are barely any choices in this game.

This is a recurring issue in this thread. It's a mystery why f95 refuse to update the episode 1-4 download links to the fixed versions on Patreon. They have been reported in the past but rejected.
 

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This is a recurring issue in this thread. It's a mystery why f95 refuse to update the episode 1-4 download links to the fixed versions on Patreon. They have been reported in the past but rejected.
I see. I definitely didn't refuse any powers. I'll just wait until they've completed the game, make a single donation on Patreon and play through it.
 
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powerscreens.rpy has been implemented since the start. That's the pop-up when you're offered a new power to accept or not.

You're right about charscreen.rpy though, the code to display powers info on this screen hasn't been implemented.

It's not a mechanic issue. Frankly the occasional acquisition and use of the powers are one of the few times anything interesting happens.

The problem isn't the mechanic, it's buggy code to transfer stats between episodes. Players stats get nuked when moving between episodes, which means they subsequently don't have good enough stats to get later powers.

The game over is intended for people who chose to reject powers when offered. With the save transfer bugs it catches unintended victims.

These episode transfer bugs have been fixed by the devs, and are freely available .

So the solution to your problem is to download episodes 1-4 from Patreon and play through them again. To avoid taking 2 days again, just hit the Tab key. Since you've already played, it will skip through everything until it hits a choice, dialogue you haven't seen before, or an episode end. Doing this you can play episodes 1-4 in minutes, because there are barely any choices in this game.

This is a recurring issue in this thread. It's a mystery why f95 refuse to update the episode 1-4 download links to the fixed versions on Patreon. They have been reported in the past but rejected.
So the Dev has changed the random aspects of each training and the certain hidden stat-boost scenes? Or has something else been implemented as a failsafe? I had to find and check the walkthrough to even know "claws" ability was available after my game over in Chap 4. Based on what I saw with the walkthrough if you don't make the "correct" choices and get the best results in the first few choices you will either miss out on abilities or be SoL (game over in Chap 4). Also if you have bad luck and make the correct choices you can still fail due to the random stat boosts from training. IMO that makes the randomness a poor mechanic unless a failsafe was added. After I examined the walkthrough I found only 1 set of choices to get the 3 basic abilities when offered and even then I think only 1 of the prowess training could be the lower boost and still get claws on time. I was never offered any of the 3 basic abilities after the discovery points in the walkthrough.

My first playthrough I chose to be stealthy over prowess, I was never given the option to get claws so was game over at Chap 4. I did see someone mentioned a choice that gives a dagger from "mommy" to be able to win the fight, however I think that should be implemented as a "failsafe" if you don't have claws and not be a choice based thing.

That being said, only claws seems to prevent the game over option. The other abilities give extra scenes/info. Other than claws preventing the "premature" ending in chap 4, abilities are pretty much useless unless something in current development requires them.
 

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So the Dev has changed the random aspects of each training and the certain hidden stat-boost scenes? Or has something else been implemented as a failsafe? I had to find and check the walkthrough to even know "claws" ability was available after my game over in Chap 4. Based on what I saw with the walkthrough if you don't make the "correct" choices and get the best results in the first few choices you will either miss out on abilities or be SoL (game over in Chap 4). Also if you have bad luck and make the correct choices you can still fail due to the random stat boosts from training. IMO that makes the randomness a poor mechanic unless a failsafe was added. After I examined the walkthrough I found only 1 set of choices to get the 3 basic abilities when offered and even then I think only 1 of the prowess training could be the lower boost and still get claws on time. I was never offered any of the 3 basic abilities after the discovery points in the walkthrough.

My first playthrough I chose to be stealthy over prowess, I was never given the option to get claws so was game over at Chap 4. I did see someone mentioned a choice that gives a dagger from "mommy" to be able to win the fight, however I think that should be implemented as a "failsafe" if you don't have claws and not be a choice based thing.

That being said, only claws seems to prevent the game over option. The other abilities give extra scenes/info. Other than claws preventing the "premature" ending in chap 4, abilities are pretty much useless unless something in current development requires them.
Also if the MC has secret whispers, he can have someone else do (and win) the fight for him. So there is another no-game-over option for the fight. But yeah, stealth won't cut it.
 

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So the Dev has changed the random aspects of each training and the certain hidden stat-boost scenes? Or has something else been implemented as a failsafe?
They have not removed the random checks in ep 1. I agree that's a mistake, it's unnecessarily obtuse.

If you chose all the prowess options in ep1, including picking Alley when Sharon takes you feeding, then no you don't need to get the best outcomes from the random checks. You can scrape through and still get claws.

Getting better prowess randoms early makes it easier to redirect points into stealth, so can get invis too later in the episode.

If you only chose stealth options, obviously you won't get claws, but that would be expected. An exclusively stealth focused play-through being a dead end is arguably also a mistake, given there's no in game indication that may be a problem later.

Neither is a failing of the powers mechanic, but of their game design/logic. There have been many such over the years of varying severity.

Going invisible to take out Marcus sounds like a fine idea for a stealth based MC, to complement the prowess & charisma options available.
 

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I see. I definitely didn't refuse any powers. I'll just wait until they've completed the game, make a single donation on Patreon and play through it.
Chapters 1-4 are PUBLIC FREE versions. They've always been. Once a chapter is complete it goes public.
 

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Hi

Things are going well. We're deep in the cave :p
I don't know what to say, really. Things look good for next weekend.
I'll see you then, I guess.


Best regards
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You know what, I'm gonna replay the whole game from the very beginning of chapter 1, while waiting for the update.

Just because :D
 
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Ok, restarted... and

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Five years after, 5 chapters after, and I haven't realised yet who this girl is. Am I dumb? :unsure:

Is she the First vampire? is she the one who "created" Calisto? is she the elder in the cave?

ideas?
 

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Also if the MC has secret whispers, he can have someone else do (and win) the fight for him. So there is another no-game-over option for the fight. But yeah, stealth won't cut it.
Not sure if that is something new or not. It has been a while since I did my playthrough and replay, I had whispers and invisibility. Yet it was still game over in chap 4. When I searched around on this forum the only other option anyone had mentioned was the dagger to prevent the game over. Maybe my stats weren't high enough for that option or maybe it was a change. The walkthrough I found showed pretty much all the choices and what boosts you get. It only showed the required minimum stats to get abilities the first time they were available. Honestly I wouldn't call it a walkthrough as much as just a list of the choices and the stats they boost.

On a different note about abilities, there was one I never managed to get "ride the senses". Not sure how to get that one, I know where it comes in but didn't manage to get it. After chapter 1 I think there is only one choice to pick between stats which is either stealth or prowess the rest are static boosts. My replay was a balanced choice of stats to get all 3 abilities when first available and all were the top boosts. The last choice I went with stealth over prowess since it was the last chance to raise stealth as a choice and prowess was all the remaining static boosts. Maybe when it's all finished I'll make pick up from a save before that choice and pick prowess to see if it unlocks ride the senses for me. Unless there are more hidden stat boost/check scenes that weren't in the walkthrough I used, that can be the only choice to unlock ride the senses.

Now don't get me wrong it is still a very good game/avn or I wouldn't have replayed it. I just think that the random factor and hidden stat boost scenes were poorly thought out and implemented. Anytime random is used you have to think about the worst case scenario and also plan for that.
 
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Ok, restarted... and

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Five years after, 5 chapters after, and I haven't realised yet who this girl is. Am I dumb? :unsure:

Is she the First vampire? is she the one who "created" Calisto? is she the elder in the cave?

ideas?
Ok, restarted... and

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Five years after, 5 chapters after, and I haven't realised yet who this girl is. Am I dumb? :unsure:

Is she the First vampire? is she the one who "created" Calisto? is she the elder in the cave?

ideas?
The VN is loosely based on these Two goddesses Erishkigal and Artemus. sorry if I butcher up these names.

Erishkigal was the goddess of the underworld and sister to Artemus who was herself known as the Goddess of the hunt.

Erishkigal killed and imprisoned Artimus in the underworld.

Artimus had a High priestess who's name is Callisto according to myth.

Callisto who once served Artimus now only serves herself as Artimus has been missing for Eons.

If you are familiar with this mythical story then Callisto had a son who turned and tried to destroy her... His name was Virgil.

You can see Vision girl as we have come to call Artimus linked to you through the blood of Callisto.

Artimus created Callisto to serve her needs and to preserve the Temple.
 
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Not sure if that is something new or not. It has been a while since I did my playthrough and replay, I had whispers and invisibility. Yet it was still game over in chap 4. When I searched around on this forum the only other option anyone had mentioned was the dagger to prevent the game over. Maybe my stats weren't high enough for that option or maybe it was a change. The walkthrough I found showed pretty much all the choices and what boosts you get. It only showed the required minimum stats to get abilities the first time they were available. Honestly I wouldn't call it a walkthrough as much as just a list of the choices and the stats they boost.

On a different note about abilities, there was one I never managed to get "ride the senses". Not sure how to get that one, I know where it comes in but didn't manage to get it. After chapter 1 I think there is only one choice to pick between stats which is either stealth or prowess the rest are static boosts. My replay was a balanced choice of stats to get all 3 abilities when first available and all were the top boosts. The last choice I went with stealth over prowess since it was the last chance to raise stealth as a choice and prowess was all the remaining static boosts. Maybe when it's all finished I'll make pick up from a save before that choice and pick prowess to see if it unlocks ride the senses for me. Unless there are more hidden stat boost/check scenes that weren't in the walkthrough I used, that can be the only choice to unlock ride the senses.

Now don't get me wrong it is still a very good game/avn or I wouldn't have replayed it. I just think that the random factor and hidden stat boost scenes were poorly thought out and implemented. Anytime random is used you have to think about the worst case scenario and also plan for that.
When Miri started to question your authority while Sharon was doing her mind fuck on Officer Davis you should push your thoughts into Miri's head.
 

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When Miri started to question your authority while Sharon was doing her mind fuck on Officer Davis you should push your thoughts into Miri's head.
That is when whispers becomes available for the first time I believe. Ride the senses comes much later after the failed cave exploration when you go back under the city to visit the new Nos Boss if I'm not mistaken. Again I haven't "developed" that ability it wasn't available to me at that point. I can't honestly tell you the requirements for unlocking any of the abilities other than the basic 3 when first made available (10 points in whichever stat is required for the ability). The only thing I can change stat wise is -5 points stealth for +5 prowess after getting all 3 basics unlocked. Not sure if that is what is required or not. Maybe when it's finished I will go back and change that choice in another replay and see if it unlocks for me, but seeing as how so far the abilities only offer more information or bonus scenes not sure if it really will be worth the trouble yet.
 

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Well if you keep Astrid you need to understand that she will ultimately escape. Taking with her Gregor as well as Mrs. Olivia, Carmen will be on her trail cause she will be after Gregor never to see them again. Bad day all around cuz you pleased Sharon, Mr. PW. Or you could give her to Callisto be rewarded, keep Carmen and at your convenience after eating Marcius you visit mommy and you both end the day with an aperitif. All the while Cindy is so Pissed she can't see straight.
So... no reason (so far*) not to make a different choice when I replay from a chapter or so back. Good to know...


* At this point I'm kinda firmly suspecting that giving in to the Blood Dream Chick will be a bad ending... but we'll see.


These episode transfer bugs have been fixed by the devs, and are freely available .

This is a recurring issue in this thread. It's a mystery why f95 refuse to update the episode 1-4 download links to the fixed versions on Patreon. They have been reported in the past but rejected.
I just dl'ed them from here ("just" as in two weeks ago) and replayed the game as I'd missed the Whispers power completely on my first playthrough (likely bad luck on every Presence attempt as my 1st playthrough never got any plusses to that stat - I actually thought it was a "hard locked out" due to initial choices).

This playthrough Charisma and Prowess are 41 and Stealth only hit 29. I didn't get "Ride the Senses" so I'm geussing it's a Stealth power? I might have to go back a chapter or so if I can figure out where* I missed a Stealth upgrade (if that was it and not something else greying out the choice).

* I know where I missed one, it's a Prowess or Stealth choice.


I did see someone mentioned a choice that gives a dagger from "mommy" to be able to win the fight, however I think that should be implemented as a "failsafe" if you don't have claws and not be a choice based thing.
It's a choice and one you may or may not want to make. I understand leaving it a choice, but then I'd argue the dev needs to make sure all paths lead to victory in Chapter 4 somehow. Or at least not to death.

Like a better game would allow you to lose, have a mudhole stomped into your ass, the person you're championing killed as a consequence, and you unceremoniously tossed out as "a lesson to not challenge me again" (and of course Sharon losing faith/getting upset you went rogue and made things worse)

Also a Stealth victory should be possible.


Also if the MC has secret whispers, he can have someone else do (and win) the fight for him. So there is another no-game-over option for the fight. But yeah, stealth won't cut it.
I had Secret Whispers, but also had Claws and Prowess through the roof so maybe it doesn't give the opportunity in that case?



Five years after, 5 chapters after, and I haven't realised yet who this girl is. Am I dumb? :unsure:
I had some suspiscions, but as has been revealed in thread, I was so very wrong.

I did suspect it was Callisto's mommy though. And that Cave Troll was an enemy of Bloody Dream Chick.



That is when whispers becomes available for the first time I believe.
You have to have Charisma greater than 10 though. So if you have the luck I had on my first playthrough, you will not get the opportunity here.
 
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