VN Ren'Py Rebirth [Ep.5 Update 13] [LikesBlondes]

[Arigon]

when i read "you are cruel woman, you kicking me out" in almost every second update i think my nails in real life start to shift into razor blades... fuck that cruel woman and drain her dry... or get fucking own room... running around her like a dog.

At this point the MC is 2/3 of the way to being enthralled with Sharon. He will be particularly susceptible to her charms until this fades significantly. Add to this her normal charms, and good looks, and the MC is smitten with her. Laurie is particularly disheartened by this, as she has had a thing for the MC probably for many years. Carmen is also a bit miffed by it in her comments to Laurie.

However, in this chapter, Sharon has said that the only thing keeping the MC from unleashing his schlong on her is his current lack of a blood doll. So it is likely that he will get his guaranteed session with her. Any other sex we get is gratis as there is only one guaranteed sex scene remaining in the VN. We may well have other opportunities, and they will likely depend on triggers we have made earlier such as was the case with Carmen.

Peace

 

[FunFuntomes]

Any other sex we get is gratis as there is only one guaranteed sex

I don't think Sharon is the guaranteed sex scene since we have plenty of choices that upset her, like shoving andrew, touching her when she sleeps and the whole Miri fiasco.

 

[Garvelt]

I don't think Sharon is the guaranteed sex scene since we have plenty of choices that upset her, like shoving andrew, touching her when she sleeps and the whole Miri fiasco.

If it's not Sharon, then it's probably Calisto. It would totally make sense story-wise (and was already teased) and since we are still not certain whether she is an LI or not, it wouldn't upset players, because the sex scene would probably happen way before we found out.

 

[Babalon]

sex scene with sharon for now is "maybe" i think she have feelings for astrid even now, but she dont want to admit and astrid come into play now in story to take back sharon, what plot is there we dont know... and blood doll is now used for exploring caves not for draining and fucking... so we will see when we come to have sex with her maybe will be to late phahaha Calisto will fuck her dry once we taste Cal blood in some pool sex scene i think link betwen sharon and MC will fade, Cal blood is more potent and ancient.

 

[AJHH]

pardon the intrusion but can I get a MAC version of episode 2? on mega if possible. id greatly appreciate it thanks

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[Hildegardt]

I'm doing my first full playthrough and I gotta say I'm more than a little creeped out by how easily the MC and Laurie arranged themselves with the whole enthrallment thing. Supposedly their relationship was oh so important that he just couldn't cut her out of his life to protect her, but there wasn't much ink wasted explaining how this relationship and Laurie's personality are going to change dramatically. It went pretty quickly from the enthrallment being necessary to protect Laurie, to the MC giving her orders and she calling him Master.
In some places it's very explicit how lucky the MC is supposed to be that he got a vamp teacher that practices self-control and hates the other vampires for giving into their animalistic nature. The game even gives positive feedback for acting morally in Sharon's presence, which according to the walkthrough mod actually has the positive effect of giving relationship points. In other places though things just are what they are without any judgement.
Like hey, let's just order Laurie around and suppress her personality, because that's how thralls are supposed to be treated, even though she's your childhood friend that means so much to you that you risk your own life to protect her from powerful vampires. Or hey, let's just lock a naked woman in a cage, because she's a dirty vampire hunter, even though you established right away that she's just an amateur that never even had a chance to do anything to you.

On one hand this game has so few sex scenes that it can barely be considered porn. But on the other hand it contains some pretty hardcore kinks of the kind that people rather keep to themselves. Like slave play and giving childhood friends orgasms by feeding them your blood.

 

[Arigon]

I'm doing my first full playthrough and I gotta say I'm more than a little creeped out by how easily the MC and Laurie arranged themselves with the whole enthrallment thing. Supposedly their relationship was oh so important that he just couldn't cut her out of his life to protect her, but there wasn't much ink wasted explaining how this relationship and Laurie's personality are going to change dramatically. It went pretty quickly from the enthrallment being necessary to protect Laurie, to the MC giving her orders and she calling him Master.
In some places it's very explicit how lucky the MC is supposed to be that he got a vamp teacher that practices self-control and hates the other vampires for giving into their animalistic nature. The game even gives positive feedback for acting morally in Sharon's presence, which according to the walkthrough mod actually has the positive effect of giving relationship points. In other places though things just are what they are without any judgement.
Like hey, let's just order Laurie around and suppress her personality, because that's how thralls are supposed to be treated, even though she's your childhood friend that means so much to you that you risk your own life to protect her from powerful vampires. Or hey, let's just lock a naked woman in a cage, because she's a dirty vampire hunter, even though you established right away that she's just an amateur that never even had a chance to do anything to you.

On one hand this game has so few sex scenes that it can barely be considered porn. But on the other hand it contains some pretty hardcore kinks of the kind that people rather keep to themselves. Like slave play and giving childhood friends orgasms by feeding them your blood.

Hildegardt I am curious if you have any previous experience with Vampire the Masquerade? (this game pulls a fair amount of inspiration from that body of work published by White Wolf, and now owned by another group)

From your post I am guessing you have not read much of this particular forum, but this particular Adult Visual Novel is not porn. The sex scenes actually are all optional up to this point, except for an implied start of a sex scene with your creator.

As for Laurie, yes I get that it might seem odd to you that the Main Character is adapting to life as a vampire, and that one of those ways is that there was a crime committed by the MC, and Laurie exposed it to Astrid who promptly got the three of them (Sharon, Laurie and the Main Character (MC)) into a shitload of trouble. The only solution was to blood bond Laurie and do the Scottstown cleanup that Marcius ordered.

Sharon is being far more civil than she could be entitled to be to Laurie given the circumstances. This is of course due to her humanity being very high, and she is 2/3 of the way bonded to the MC, who is also 2/3 of the way bonded to her.

In Vampire society Andrew and Laurie have no status whatsoever. Normal humans have less. His childhood friend is too spunky for her own good and shot off her mouth at Astrid, which is how we got where we are. The non-vampires of this story are important to the story, but relationships forming with Laurie, Sharon, Carmen, and Ivy (plus one other, most likely Calisto but possibly Inanna aka the Vision Girl or even Malia/Kassandra) all have different dynamics as you can see if you used the walkthrough. Vampire relationships with humans are generally very one sided, with the vampire being the dom and the human being a submissive. You have that option at several points to make Laurie your sub or just normal loving feelings.

Laurie is integral to the story of course, but she is definitely a thrall at the moment, in no way equal to the MC or Sharon or even Astrid as far as vampires are concerned. To enjoy this game and not get frustrated I would like to offer some advice;

1- It is not a porn novel. Expecting there to be a lot of lewd scenes will only frustrate you. It is possible to get to the end of current content without a single sex scene if you make the correct choices.

2- Vampires in this game are more or less similar to the Vampire the Masquerade vamps. They definitely have complex emotions, but they are driven creatures, and tragic. That said, there is probably going to be a path to some sort of a happy ending for this novel, but I doubt that it will be without loss. It is a vampire tale, and not the porny Japanese type vampires, more like Bram Stoker's vampire. (if possible looking at the wiki for Vampire the Masquerade might help quite a bit)

3- Humans are basically food for the vampires. Some are worthy of becoming trusted servants. Some are destined to become blood dolls (food kept close for those occasions when hunting is inconvenient.) Mostly, humans are just an inconvenience.

If you can adopt those outlooks, I do not think you will be frustrated as you seem to be in your post.
Peace

 

[Hildegardt]

Hildegardt I am curious if you have any previous experience with Vampire the Masquerade? (this game pulls a fair amount of inspiration from that body of work published by White Wolf, and now owned by another group)

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If you can adopt those outlooks, I do not think you will be frustrated as you seem to be in your post.
Peace

I feel like I understood the story and my critique is not so much about what is happening, but rather how it's happening. If you want to call it frustration, then I'm frustrated with how anything concerning empathy, inner conflict and drama between characters is kept very short in some places. E.g. Sharon seems to be more traumatized anytime Astrid's name gets mentioned, than the MC is by the fact that he changed his childhood friend's personality dramatically and turned her into a slave.
Turning into a corpse everytime the sun rises isn't the only downside of being a vampire. The MC got turned into a monster that enslaves and feasts on humans, but he doesn't really seem to feel anything about that, even if it involves the people closest to him. This is a missed opportunity, because it's a conflict that could have been used to really affect the readers.

HildegardtThe non-vampires of this story are important to the story, but relationships forming with Laurie, Sharon, Carmen, and Ivy (plus one other, most likely Calisto but possibly Inanna aka the Vision Girl or even Malia/Kassandra) all have different dynamics as you can see if you used the walkthrough. Vampire relationships with humans are generally very one sided, with the vampire being the dom and the human being a submissive. You have that option at several points to make Laurie your sub or just normal loving feelings.

The thing is that the MC and Laurie aren't forming a relationship, they already had one since childhood. In fact the MC is closer to Laurie than he is to his own mother and it's described how they complement each other and are worse at their job, when they are apart. This is a setup to make Laurie's fate appear more tragic.
But in the end it wasn't tragic at all. There was no conflict about it and the characters didn't even try to explore any other options. Like, why wasn't Laurie turned into a vampire, too, or locked in a cage like Carmen? With the way the story is going now, how is Carmen's fate not preferable to Laurie's and how could the MC let that happen, if Laurie supposedly meant so much to him? The MC and Laurie just rolled with the enthrallment and in the end it turned out to be kinky rather than tragic and it even made for some funny moments at the cost of Laurie's personality.
The way it plays out quite a few people would consider enthrallment to be a fate worse than death, but the MC and Laurie don't seem to care much at all, which throws the whole setup of their relationship over board. The MC got turned into a monster against his will, but he gets more opportunities to enjoy his new self than to be in conflict with it.

HildegardtLaurie is integral to the story of course, but she is definitely a thrall at the moment, in no way equal to the MC or Sharon or even Astrid as far as vampires are concerned. To enjoy this game and not get frustrated I would like to offer some advice;

1- It is not a porn novel. Expecting there to be a lot of lewd scenes will only frustrate you. It is possible to get to the end of current content without a single sex scene if you make the correct choices.

This is where I have to be a little harsh with my critique, because it's where the game creeps me out a little. Really anything could have happened to Laurie and the plot would've moved on the same. This can be said for most things that happened for now, other than Sharon becoming archon, because the main plot involving the templers hasn't really moved much for now.
Anything that happened to the MC for now was just to put him in a certain living arrangement, to put him into Sharon's bed with Laurie as his thrall right by his side and Carmen in her cage in their basement. The only reason why the story went the way that it did is, because the author is into the things that happened and the readers are supposed to be into them aswell.
I said it's barely porn and you don't want to call it porn at all. But then it comes as a surprise how much of the story for now was exploration of some pretty hardcore kinks. There's probably people fapping to Carmen being crammed into her cage right now, even though it doesn't involve any sex. Same with the sexy childhood friend that was the MC's equal and bantering with him their whole life, being totally submitted and made addicted to him.

 

[Arigon]

I feel like I understood the story and my critique is not so much about what is happening, but rather how it's happening. If you want to call it frustration, then I'm frustrated with how anything concerning empathy, inner conflict and drama between characters is kept very short in some places. E.g. Sharon seems to be more traumatized anytime Astrid's name gets mentioned, than the MC is by the fact that he changed his childhood friend's personality dramatically and turned her into a slave.
Turning into a corpse everytime the sun rises isn't the only downside of being a vampire. The MC got turned into a monster that enslaves and feasts on humans, but he doesn't really seem to feel anything about that, even if it involves the people closest to him. This is a missed opportunity, because it's a conflict that could have been used to really affect the readers.



The thing is that the MC and Laurie aren't forming a relationship, they already had one since childhood. In fact the MC is closer to Laurie than he is to his own mother and it's described how they complement each other and are worse at their job, when they are apart. This is a setup to make Laurie's fate appear more tragic.
But in the end it wasn't tragic at all. There was no conflict about it and the characters didn't even try to explore any other options. Like, why wasn't Laurie turned into a vampire, too, or locked in a cage like Carmen? With the way the story is going now, how is Carmen's fate not preferable to Laurie's and how could the MC let that happen, if Laurie supposedly meant so much to him? The MC and Laurie just rolled with the enthrallment and in the end it turned out to be kinky rather than tragic and it even made for some funny moments at the cost of Laurie's personality.
The way it plays out quite a few people would consider enthrallment to be a fate worse than death, but the MC and Laurie don't seem to care much at all, which throws the whole setup of their relationship over board. The MC got turned into a monster against his will, but he gets more opportunities to enjoy his new self than to be in conflict with it.



This is where I have to be a little harsh with my critique, because it's where the game creeps me out a little. Really anything could have happened to Laurie and the plot would've moved on the same. This can be said for most things that happened for now, other than Sharon becoming archon, because the main plot involving the templers hasn't really moved much for now.
Anything that happened to the MC for now was just to put him in a certain living arrangement, to put him into Sharon's bed with Laurie as his thrall right by his side and Carmen in her cage in their basement. The only reason why the story went the way that it did is, because the author is into the things that happened and the readers are supposed to be into them aswell.
I said it's barely porn and you don't want to call it porn at all. But then it comes as a surprise how much of the story for now was exploration of some pretty hardcore kinks. There's probably people fapping to Carmen being crammed into her cage right now, even though it doesn't involve any sex. Same with the sexy childhood friend that was the MC's equal and bantering with him their whole life, being totally submitted and made addicted to him.

I am not looking to argue with anything you have said. Everyone is entitled to their opinions.
Kinks though.....I suppose if your kink is to be into the Vampires that generally conform to the World of Darkness series of games and books, then I guess you could call that a kink. Laurie's condition was forced and is a condition of her continued ability to not take a permanent dirt nap. Previous to Sharon becoming Archon and the MC officially becoming her first vampire subject, the creation of another vampire by either the MC or Sharon could well have resulted in their destruction. While the issue was not pressed with the MC, it is the usual fate of non sanctioned creation of a vampire to destroy both that vampire and it's creator. So that really was not an option. There are a few reasons that it was not pursued by Marcius, namely they did not know the sire, and he wanted to break Sharon. What better way to break the equivalent of a vampire teenager, than to saddle her with the responsibility of training a new vampire. The result of Marcius' manipulative act was instantly successful but the end result he sought was squashed by his court. (Enthralling Sharon).

Again, all I can say is that you have to wear a certain pair of glasses to read this as it was intended to be read, and that is to suspend your humanist viewpoint and try to adapt to the alien outlook of a vampire. The MC does not have much of a choice when it comes to his actions with Laurie. She is blood bound to him, but not enslaved. For a glimpse into enslavement look at Gregor. Carmen was in a cage because she was a hunter. I suspect that now that Astrid occupies that cage now, the humiliation of a somewhat more important guest could be called a kink.

In any case, as long as you get enjoyment from the novel that is all that really matters. If you like it enough to support the authors you can go to the Patreon page and make comments there if you like.
In any case,
Peace

 

[Bsebanus]

Does anybody have problems in save tranfer from ep1 to ep2?

 

[cxx]

Does anybody have problems in save tranfer from ep1 to ep2?

didn't have. what's your problem?

 

[Hildegardt]

I am not looking to argue with anything you have said.

Why not? I think we're being pretty respectful, so it could be fun.

Kinks though.....I suppose if your kink is to be into the Vampires that generally conform to the World of Darkness series of games and books, then I guess you could call that a kink.

What I mean is that the author missed the mark, when it comes to fleshing out the conflict of the MC coming to terms with his new condition. This is where they could've made the readers feel things by describing what the characters feel. The characters just roll with it though, because presumably the situation just is what it is.
The current arrangement at the Scottstown house just seems like the setup to a porn game, because everything that happened and brought the characters there didn't have any significance to the plot. Like, hunting the renegade nos was supposed to be Sharon's punishment, but it made her the archon of Scottstown, because they incidentally met Fabian through Merrik. That could have happened any other way.
The plot didn't need the MC to get into Sharon's bed, to submit his childhood friend and have a naked woman in a cage in his basement. I can only call these things kinks, because the author didn't flesh them out as anything else. The MC isn't really conflicted about any of these things happening, but he rather has fun with them.

Laurie's condition was forced and is a condition of her continued ability to not take a permanent dirt nap. Previous to Sharon becoming Archon and the MC officially becoming her first vampire subject, the creation of another vampire by either the MC or Sharon could well have resulted in their destruction. While the issue was not pressed with the MC, it is the usual fate of non sanctioned creation of a vampire to destroy both that vampire and it's creator. So that really was not an option.

The thing is that the MC and Laurie don't know this, but they also never ask about it. They never protest and try to explore other options, they just roll with the enthrallment. And this also doesn't hold up further into the game. At the end of the current update the MC is risking more for Carmen and Gregor than he ever did for Laurie.
The author even set up a possible romance between the MC and Laurie right at the start of the game, when Laurie uses an excuse to steal a kiss from the MC. This doesn't give them conflicting thoughts about the enthrallment, because...? Well, my only guess is that enthralling Laurie is still the kinky thing to do.
Like, think of the sex scene with Carmen and how she's conflicted about it, because the MC might have used vampire mind tricks on her. Thoughts like this wouldn't even make sense anymore for Laurie, because the author already described her condition as being physically and mentally dependent on the MC. But I can already see the Laurie romance coming and it's going to be porn writing levels of creepiness.

Again, all I can say is that you have to wear a certain pair of glasses to read this as it was intended to be read, and that is to suspend your humanist viewpoint and try to adapt to the alien outlook of a vampire. The MC does not have much of a choice when it comes to his actions with Laurie. She is blood bound to him, but not enslaved. For a glimpse into enslavement look at Gregor. Carmen was in a cage because she was a hunter. I suspect that now that Astrid occupies that cage now, the humiliation of a somewhat more important guest could be called a kink.

It's like the author tried to introduce the MC's (and Sharon's) humanity and vampirism to be in conflict, which makes sense, because he was turned into a vampire against his will and it's still totally new to him. Like, from the perspective of a human vampires are disgusting monsters and they want to do disgusting things to his best friend. But the author constantly misses opportunities to flesh out this conflict, because it's more fun to be kinky as a vampire.
Sharon's morals never get in the way of anything that could be fun in a kinky way. She meditates regularly to control her thirst and hunt as little as possible, but she's also into submitting her prey and making it come back to her. She respects the decision to bring the boy's corpse back to his parents, but she's also into making hot women disappear to use as blood dolls.

 

[224488]

Why the male MC of this kind of erotic VN must be such a big pussies most of the times?

In this game, it´s supposed that Sharon has been the girlfriend of a huge manipulative slut as Astrid for decades (something that doesn´t talk well at all about her, and doesn´t makes her an attractive character as romantic interest), and it´s obvious that Astrid is still into her skin (the opposite of love is not hate. Those are two sides of the same coin. The opposite of both is indifference, and that's not what Sharon and Astrid feel for each other), and there he is, the MC, knowing that, but begging again and again for the bones that Sharon condescends to throw him, like some kiss in the cheek or lying in the same bed... That's not a man, but a pussy. This game, right now, is dangerously playing with NTR (the fact that Astrid is a woman doesn´t makes that better, but probably worst), and there should be a tag and warning for that. Something like "mild NTR", don´t know

Are all those VM made by women with some kind of fantasy about dominating males, or something? Or it´s "the new non-toxic masculinity" that those SJW talk about? It´s really difficult to find a VN where a male MC behaves as a man and doesn´t allows herself to be manipulated, dominated, humiliated or somehow bullied by women. I have played a few the last weeks of holidays, and maybe in a couple of them the MC are not total pussies. "The Price of Power", "Intertwined", some paths of "BaDIK"... I think that's all.

It´s not that I identify myself with the MCs of this kind of games. I don´t name them like me or something. But, in some mesure, if you play as an MC you have to "enter" into his story. You play Mass Effect to feel that you save the galaxy, play The Witcher III to feel that you save Ciri and get Yennefer or Triss, you play FIFA or F1 to feel that you win the world championship, and you play Call of Duty to feel that you kill fucking Hitler or Stalin or something like that. Obviously you don´t think that you have done all that, but at some small degree and for a second you feel some kind of satisfaction about that. It´s called "immersion" and it´s the main point of these games. And, I don´t get why any men would like to play as an MC that allows other to humiliate him and that makes feel like a pussy during the gameplay. I´m playing this game (and a lot more of this kind) and I´m thinking all the time "come on, MC, grow a pair!"...

 

[reh1]

The game is great! Thanks so much!

 

[Deleted member 2412505]

Classic game of the MC having a magic cock. Not good either.

It´s really difficult to find games in which the male MC is a regular guy that gets girls the regular way: with charisma, charm, sense of humor and sweet talking (probably because it´s needed someone that knows how to get girls to write a character that knows how to get girls).

Most of the male MC in this kind of games, either has magic cocks, superpowers and mind control (well, that one could be justified in this game, since the MC is a vampire), or only get women by crawling behind them.

Try Price of power. Mc gets girls the girls fashioned way

 

[Arigon]

Since he is taking up far to much time from all of us... I pose an actual game question....

How the actual fuck is Ivy going to play catch-up at this point to be considered a serious love interest contender (which LovesBlondes says she is)??????

I have been wracking my brain, about how she saves the day in the watery cave maybe????? Highly doubtful unless she is WAY more than she appears..... I am frankly stumped how she can make ground up and get in same league with our existing highly involved and attractive 3 and then whoever the actual 4th is locked down to be Calisto, Malia, or Inanna..............
Thoughts?
Peace all, even Mr. Grumpypants.

 

[c3p0]

How the actual fuck is Ivy going to play catch-up at this point to be considered a serious love interest contender (which LovesBlondes says she is)??????

One idea would be some alone time with her. The might be caught in a cave-in and until Sharon and the others can freee them, the have to spend the time together. If it is a little longer she will for sure see that he is not human anymore.

Other idea would be that she need to be thralled or turned otherwise she would die.

 

[Arigon]

One idea would be some alone time with her. The might be caught in a cave-in and until Sharon and the others can freee them, the have to spend the time together. If it is a little longer she will for sure see that he is not human anymore.

Other idea would be that she need to be thralled or turned otherwise she would die.

Very reasonable ideas to the problem... Second one would come in to play since she is smart and possibly figures out that Sharon and MC is a vamp......Definitely food for thought. I like the cave in idea on it's own since the MC would have to snack eventually. And he would then have to do your second option..... or the cave in could work... possibly combined with Laurie and Sharon coming after them and they hit the lair of the ugly one and somehow Ivy's knowledge of caving comes into play....?

Well that does add 2 more options on my list for consideration... Ivy has been bugging me since she is such a late add on, I keep wracking my brain for what could be her deal maker....
Peace

 

[yltohawk]

Since he is taking up far to much time from all of us... I pose an actual game question....

How the actual fuck is Ivy going to play catch-up at this point to be considered a serious love interest contender (which LovesBlondes says she is)??????

I have been wracking my brain, about how she saves the day in the watery cave maybe????? Highly doubtful unless she is WAY more than she appears..... I am frankly stumped how she can make ground up and get in same league with our existing highly involved and attractive 3 and then whoever the actual 4th is locked down to be Calisto, Malia, or Inanna..............
Thoughts?
Peace all, even Mr. Grumpypants.

Maybe she swings a mean prospectors pick and saves the day. Then they go back to his place and He enjoys a Cohiba and some white chocolate. Cavorting in some Clintonesqe frivolities.

 

[Rory Smith]

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