VN Ren'Py Rebirth [Ep.5 Update 13] [LikesBlondes]

[Arigon]

Cant really call them LIs when there's barely any romance story around them involving MC.. 99% of Sharon's scenes with MC are just main story stuff, there's barely any scenes with Laurie or Astrid and so far 90% of Carmen's scenes with MC is him being a dick towards her.. But clearly you played it further than I have seeing that you said MC does have sex with her. there's another girl, a pharmacist or something, don't know much about her cause thats where I'm currently at.

Love Interest is not the same as sex partner, particularly in the take on the vampire condition that the developers are using. If you are familiar with Vampire the Masquerade, then you can get some insight. It is not a direct port over in terms of lore though.

Sex wise, the vampires of Rebirth have to meet the *for the males anyway* condition of full up on blood. Next the actual desire has to be there. Intimacy through sharing blood is more intense. I get it that you are looking for lewd scenes, but that is simply not what this story is about. There are plenty of Asian vampire and succubus type "games" out there that will fill that need.

Rebirth is more of a vampire story with the spice of the love interests and your grab for power. It is definitely not kinetic as the story results are very different based on selections you make even back in Chapter One.

The definite love interests are-
Calisto- confirmed
Sharon- confirmed
Laurie- confirmed
Ivy- confirmed
The fifth and final one is hard to be 100% sure on, unless you actually know whatever you think you might know, and the best bet is Carmen.

Mirri is not, Astrid is not- both confirmed.
Sigh and Sad- Zephir is not........ though I have asked repeatedly. Often... and made no secret of it.
Our Goddess Inanna may be a Love Interest IF Carmen is not, and that is really the thing of it. We have met all the love interests that will be in this story. Whether there are more who show in future works by the guys, who knows. -Confirmed.

So for this story, you have to make choices that affect your relationships with the girls, your powers, and possibly some other "things" to be revealed soonish.

The developers have worked out a pretty complicated mythology for all of this, and are doing a fine job of keeping the group here and other fans guessing.

I hope you continue to enjoy the story!
Peace

 

[UncleFredo]

Love Interest is not the same as sex partner, particularly in the take on the vampire condition that the developers are using. If you are familiar with Vampire the Masquerade, then you can get some insight. It is not a direct port over in terms of lore though.

So let us all be clear. This game must be evaluated on its own, independently of any material not presented with in it. This means that the only "lore" from Vampire the Masquerade is the lore that the game presents as its own. This means that, in the absence of that presentation, we can only evaluate the potential relationships based on what is presented in the game.

So it comes down to this. Regardless of the continual claims that this is a vampire story and not a 'porn" game (to put it differently a game with a focus on the intimate sexual interaction between the MC and the various female characters), the simple truth of this storyline is that the writers continue to dangle hot women before us, have one of the most visible sleep naked beside us every night, and tease us relentlessly, apparently with no intention of ever making her available to us.

Can't have it both ways. Either these various stunningly attractive women are available for sexual (and hopefully emotional) interaction or they are not. If they are not then they are not love interests, because they are not available to be loved. Pretty damn black and white.

I've said this before. If you don't want to have the sexual aspects in this VN because you want a sexless vampire story then stop dangling the women, who you will not let us be with, before us. End all the flirting and nudity. Quit yanking our "chain". In what 2 and a half years, 2 and a half seasons, there have been fewer than 5 possibly 4 sexual encounters for the MC? Lose the tags your game hasn't delivered on and go forward.

The writing isn't bad, actually, while I find the pace slow, the writing is pretty solid. The technical aspects are top notch. Just quit advertising what is becoming ever more clear you have no intention of actually delivering.

 

[AngelsAfterDark]

So let us all be clear. This game must be evaluated on its own, independently of any material not presented with in it. This means that the only "lore" from Vampire the Masquerade is the lore that the game presents as its own. This means that, in the absence of that presentation, we can only evaluate the potential relationships based on what is presented in the game.

So it comes down to this. Regardless of the continual claims that this is a vampire story and not a 'porn" game (to put it differently a game with a focus on the intimate sexual interaction between the MC and the various female characters), the simple truth of this storyline is that the writers continue to dangle hot women before us, have one of the most visible sleep naked beside us every night, and tease us relentlessly, apparently with no intention of ever making her available to us.

Can't have it both ways. Either these various stunningly attractive women are available for sexual (and hopefully emotional) interaction or they are not. If they are not then they are not love interests, because they are not available to be loved. Pretty damn black and white.

I've said this before. If you don't want to have the sexual aspects in this VN because you want a sexless vampire story then stop dangling the women, who you will not let us be with, before us. End all the flirting and nudity. Quit yanking our "chain". In what 2 and a half years, 2 and a half seasons, there have been fewer than 5 possibly 4 sexual encounters for the MC? Lose the tags your game hasn't delivered on and go forward.

The writing isn't bad, actually, while I find the pace slow, the writing is pretty solid. The technical aspects are top notch. Just quit advertising what is becoming ever more clear you have no intention of actually delivering.

This is exactly what I've been thinking, it's a great game no doubt.. I won't take anything away from it just because there's no lewd stuff or romance but don't tease something that isn't there.. I don't see how others are calling some of these women "love interests" when for the past 3 episodes sleeping naked next to Sharon was literally all we got as far as progress goes ....MC spends little time getting to know the girls on a closer level, it's usually just a few second scene then we jump back into the main story again.. Once again Im really into the story but a break from the main story is needed in between which is where you insert the romance paths but clearly that's not the case. I don't know maybe I'm playing a different game than everyone else but I just don't see what others are talking about.

 

[AngelsAfterDark]

No no no

She is a pet at best. I will not have a love interest that has tried to have me and mine killed. Fuck that. Thankfully we are not forced to be nice to her

Keep in mind MC wanted to use her as a doll before he even knew she was a hunter so really she's justified. And yes it's good we're not forced to be nice to her but it sucks that we forced to be a dick towards her... Like I don't mind her trying to kill MC, dudes a vamp and she's a hunter, it's how shit goes.. Plus it's personal for her so it would've been nice to have an option to either be rude or be nice but unfortunately the game don't give a fuck about our preferences

 

[Arigon]

Keep in mind MC wanted to use her as a doll before he even knew she was a hunter so really she's justified. And yes it's good we're not forced to be nice to her but it sucks that we forced to be a dick towards her... Like I don't mind her trying to kill MC, dudes a vamp and she's a hunter, it's how shit goes.. Plus it's personal for her so it would've been nice to have an option to either be rude or be nice but unfortunately the game don't give a fuck about our preferences

You do realize you can be nice or you can be rude to Carmen?
Your first opportunity is how you decide to treat her when you decide to feed from her the first time.
You have one other chance to redeem rude behavior with her later.
Either one will result in being "nice" and having the option for sex with her in the bathroom, and a clearly growing emotional bond.
Just an FYI.

UncleFredo Yes I realize you have said this before. I was simply pointing out something that the developers have said is a strong influence in the story, and it helps in the context of how they are presenting certain aspects of vampire society within their game. The rest of their ideology is firmly their own creation. As for the teasing/dangling/denial/ whatever terms you wish to use; I could very well restate again my own statements but it is clear we do not see things in the same light. I respect your opinion, but I do not agree. I respect you, and your right to your opinion, but do not agree. I will leave it there, because I do not think either of us will be changing our own opinions on this.

That is why this thread is pretty darn special. We don't flame here. I really, really, love that about our community, and I know it is definitely not the norm on F95 threads when there are widely divergent opinions!

Peace to all you blood suckers!

 

[AngelsAfterDark]

You do realize you can be nice or you can be rude to Carmen?
Your first opportunity is how you decide to treat her when you decide to feed from her the first time.
You have one other chance to redeem rude behavior with her later.
Either one will result in being "nice" and having the option for sex with her in the bathroom, and a clearly growing emotional bond.
Just an FYI.

UncleFredo Yes I realize you have said this before. I was simply pointing out something that the developers have said is a strong influence in the story, and it helps in the context of how they are presenting certain aspects of vampire society within their game. The rest of their ideology is firmly their own creation. As for the teasing/dangling/denial/ whatever terms you wish to use; I could very well restate again my own statements but it is clear we do not see things in the same light. I respect your opinion, but I do not agree. I respect you, and your right to your opinion, but do not agree. I will leave it there, because I do not think either of us will be changing our own opinions on this.

That is why this thread is pretty darn special. We don't flame here. I really, really, love that about our community, and I know it is definitely not the norm on F95 threads when there are widely divergent opinions!

Peace to all you blood suckers!

I don't know man I really feel like I've been playing a different game than everyone else.. I actually went back to episode one and started playing with a WT mod.. But I've ran into another problem, please feel free to help if you can.. So I'm at this point in the screenshot and it says I should throw Andrew but when I do throw him Andrew just lays my MC out.. My prowess is up to 16 and it says in the pdf WT this is a random event, if you fail to throw Andrew on his ass just reload the game and try again and you'll succeed.. Like what the dick even? I did that like at least 10 times nothing changed, bro still layed me out.. What's the point of these random events even?

 

[D3xzalias]

I don't know man I really feel like I've been playing a different game than everyone else.. I actually went back to episode one and started playing with a WT mod.. But I've ran into another problem, please feel free to help if you can.. So I'm at this point in the screenshot and it says I should throw Andrew but when I do throw him Andrew just lays my MC out.. My prowess is up to 16 and it says in the pdf WT this is a random event, if you fail to throw Andrew on his ass just reload the game and try again and you'll succeed.. Like what the dick even? I did that like at least 10 times nothing changed, bro still layed me out.. What's the point of these random events even? View attachment 1483841

When you went for your second training did you go to Eloise first or Merrick. I would pick Eloise on the second training also gives a bit more prowess

 

[AngelsAfterDark]

When you went for your second training did you go to Eloise first or Merrick. I would pick Eloise on the second training also gives a bit more prowess

I didn't even have an option it just automatically went to Merrick first and Eloise second.. Like I said my prowess is on 16,as high as it can be up until that scene.

 

[D3xzalias]

Y

I didn't even have an option it just automatically went to Merrick first and Eloise second.. Like I said my prowess is on 16,as high as it can be up until that scene.

Weird you should have a choice to pick one of them

 

[Hildegardt]

I've said this before. If you don't want to have the sexual aspects in this VN because you want a sexless vampire story then stop dangling the women, who you will not let us be with, before us. End all the flirting and nudity.

This is exactly what I've been thinking, it's a great game no doubt.. I won't take anything away from it just because there's no lewd stuff or romance but don't tease something that isn't there.. I don't see how others are calling some of these women "love interests" when for the past 3 episodes sleeping naked next to Sharon was literally all we got as far as progress goes ....MC spends little time getting to know the girls on a closer level, it's usually just a few second scene then we jump back into the main story again.. Once again Im really into the story but a break from the main story is needed in between which is where you insert the romance paths but clearly that's not the case. I don't know maybe I'm playing a different game than everyone else but I just don't see what others are talking about.

This thread is kinda bipolar in that regard. LIs are being discussed a lot, sometimes it's all we talk about, but every time somebody points out the lack of actual content in that regard, it's suddenly not what this game is about.
I honestly think that people are in denial. The character constellation is obviously a harem with the MC as the dom and there's slave play and light BDSM. People are into that, but it's subtle enough, so that they don't quite know, where this arousal is coming from.
This is a porn game through and through and the themes are obvious. It just doesn't offer any payoff, but, if you think about it, edging is a fetish aswell.

The writing isn't bad, actually, while I find the pace slow, the writing is pretty solid. The technical aspects are top notch.

I mean, there have always been quite a few typos and the last updates have been getting buggier and buggier. There are no animations and only very few images in general. The ever repeating midi music and the ms paint style title screen and dialogue box have a 90s charm to it, but maybe you're into that.

I'm quite harsh here, even though I don't really hate the game, but I believe that there might only be a few updates left, before I have to ask myself what this game actually has to offer. I'm getting suspicious that we're too inclined to give this game a break, because we're starved for good vampire content.
On a technical level The Bite: Revenant blows Rebirth out of the water and it's just three updates in. Especially if they manage to properly implement all the RPG elements that are already in the game graphically. So now we have a direct comparison and if The Bite keeps on delivering, I'll have to ask myself why I'm playing Rebirth, a porn game without explicit content, if I could just read any other VTM fanfic.

 

[Spfjolietjake]

This thread is kinda bipolar in that regard. LIs are being discussed a lot, sometimes it's all we talk about, but every time somebody points out the lack of actual content in that regard, it's suddenly not what this game is about.
I honestly think that people are in denial. The character constellation is obviously a harem with the MC as the dom and there's slave play and light BDSM. People are into that, but it's subtle enough, so that they don't quite know, where this arousal is coming from.
This is a porn game through and through and the themes are obvious. It just doesn't offer any payoff, but, if you think about it, edging is a fetish aswell.


I mean, there have always been quite a few typos and the last updates have been getting buggier and buggier. There are no animations and only very few images in general. The ever repeating midi music and the ms paint style title screen and dialogue box have a 90s charm to it, but maybe you're into that.

I'm quite harsh here, even though I don't really hate the game, but I believe that there might only be a few updates left, before I have to ask myself what this game actually has to offer. I'm getting suspicious that we're too inclined to give this game a break, because we're starved for good vampire content.
On a technical level The Bite: Revenant blows Rebirth out of the water and it's just three updates in. Especially if they manage to properly implement all the RPG elements that are already in the game graphically. So now we have a direct comparison and if The Bite keeps on delivering, I'll have to ask myself why I'm playing Rebirth, a porn game without explicit content, if I could just read any other VTM fanfic.

This isn't a "porn game" it is an adult visual novel. Sad how some people can't comprehend that...

 

[thorin0815]

This isn't a "porn game" it is an adult visual novel. Sad how some people can't comprehend that...

I will probably never understand that either. If the main focus with people is porn, why don't they just watch porn?

Just because a game/VN ends up here doesn't mean that everything in the game has to be about fucking.

Yes, there are tons of games here where the porn content is the main ingredient, but that is not a requirement for a game to be offered here.

After the long production time and the many updates, even the last one should have understood what the developer's vision looks like and that his focus is not on the porn content.

If you don't like it, don't play it. Easy, right?

 

[c3p0]

I'm quite harsh here, even though I don't really hate the game, but I believe that there might only be a few updates left, before I have to ask myself what this game actually has to offer.

From what I know, we will have at least 5 episodes. As we are near the end of episode 3 it means 2 will follow. If for you over 20 updates are only a few, then it has only a few episodes left.

 

[Warscared]

I will probably never understand that either. If the main focus with people is porn, why don't they just watch porn?

Just because a game/VN ends up here doesn't mean that everything in the game has to be about fucking.

Yes, there are tons of games here where the porn content is the main ingredient, but that is not a requirement for a game to be offered here.

After the long production time and the many updates, even the last one should have understood what the developer's vision looks like and that his focus is not on the porn content.

If you don't like it, don't play it. Easy, right?

its the good old question is it porn with a plot or a story with porn in it?

 

[Deleted member 1906916]

nopy gone

 

[Hildegardt]

This isn't a "porn game" it is an adult visual novel. Sad how some people can't comprehend that...

I feel like the porn themes in this game are quite obvious, but I couldn't tell you what the adult themes are supposed to be. If it wasn't for the two sex scenes this game would be pretty much PG-13.

 

[UncleFredo]

This isn't a "porn game" it is an adult visual novel. Sad how some people can't comprehend that...

Here are the tags from the top of first page of this thread. In two and a half seasons how well have they delivered? What people like me are pointing out is that we can argue about what is porn or an AVN, but that debate is largely moot because critical tags below have been largely unfulfilled.

3dcg adventure big tits fantasy groping horror male protagonist milf mind control monster paranormal sci-fi superpowers teasing transformation vaginal sex voyeurism

 

[thorin0815]

Here are the tags from the top of first page of this thread. In two and a half seasons how well have they delivered? What people like me are pointing out is that we can argue about what is porn or an AVN, but that debate is largely moot because critical tags below have been largely unfulfilled.

Check out who started the thread. The developers here on the forum aren't always the ones adding the tags.

 

[c3p0]

Here are the tags from the top of first page of this thread. In two and a half seasons how well have they delivered? What people like me are pointing out is that we can argue about what is porn or an AVN, but that debate is largely moot because critical tags below have been largely unfulfilled.

3dcg adventure big tits fantasy groping horror male protagonist milf mind control monster paranormal sci-fi superpowers teasing transformation vaginal sex voyeurism

Ignoring the most of the tags and going to the one, I assume you referring: vaginal sex
To quote from the tag definition post, where the tags used on this forum are defined, if the definition is food or not is another topic:

• Vaginal sex [Penetrating the vagina, (sex toys, tentacles, etc).]

So, does the MC have sex with someone and he had penetrated his partner vagina (or his tentacles or used a sex toy or....)?
Yes or No? As this is binary and not a question of quantity.

Also as thorin0815 wrote, few threads are active managed by the dev and the tags are often appointed to the game by the uploader or mods with the help of the user base.

Also which tag is wrong? Not as in "lack of content", but is it is according to the tag definition used on this message board?

Regardless of the moot discussion of the tags, as the tag are defined according to the definition and not according to our own beliefs, the game have 3 sex scene in total. If this are to few, then this game isn't the typ of game for you.

Also for The Bite: Revenan it goes a different way, have a lot of potential, but can fail to deliver as a lot of other games have done after their initial good premise. Additional the whole I'm the vampire overgood premise, at least this is what I think it is, can be rather uninteresting, if the MC is an overpower badass right from the beginning.

 

[UncleFredo]

Ignoring the most of the tags and going to the one, I assume you referring: vaginal sex
To quote from the tag definition post, where the tags used on this forum are defined, if the definition is food or not is another topic:

So, does the MC have sex with someone and he had penetrated his partner vagina (or his tentacles or used a sex toy or....)?
Yes or No? As this is binary and not a question of quantity.

Also as thorin0815 wrote, few threads are active managed by the dev and the tags are often appointed to the game by the uploader or mods with the help of the user base.

Also which tag is wrong? Not as in "lack of content", but is it is according to the tag definition used on this message board?

Regardless of the moot discussion of the tags, as the tag are defined according to the definition and not according to our own beliefs, the game have 3 sex scene in total. If this are to few, then this game isn't the typ of game for you.

Also for The Bite: Revenan it goes a different way, have a lot of potential, but can fail to deliver as a lot of other games have done after their initial good premise. Additional the whole I'm the vampire overgood premise, at least this is what I think it is, can be rather uninteresting, if the MC is an overpower badass right from the beginning.

If you bother to read my several comments here I've freely admitted that I like the game quite a lot. If they ended the nudity and flirting for the rest of the game I'd continue to play it with a great deal of enjoyment. I just want the writers to drop the fiction that this is some highbrow storyline unrelated to some expectation of sexual activity, while they continue to dangle hot women before us. Either deliver on the tease or stop teasing.

As to three sex scenes in 2 and a half seasons meeting the tag. Of course quantity matters. You have to have enough that it's material to the plot and story, otherwise it may as well not be present. By your criteria they could have opened with a fap scene and never had any sexual content for the remainder of the five years of planned production and fulfilled the tag. No reasonable person would accept that as meeting the expectation set by the tag.