VN Ren'Py Reclaiming the Lost [v0.11] [Passion Portal]

[SonsOfLiberty]

Do fan made Ipatch be tagged as incest though? Sometimes, the patches really are just fanfic stuff that isn't really supported by the story. But other times, devs really don't give any good explanation why characters behave as if they are family while calling each other by their names. In those cases, we could infer that the author intent was incest. Just wondering where this game falls.

It has incest since v0.1, later on the developer tried removing it, very valid reason, Patreon and Steam.

The patch is only trying to restore it. The patch linked in the OP was taken over by another person has the one who originally did didn't have the time as they are working on Long Short Story Ren'Py port and said they wouldn't be around very much on F95 anymore.

yeah i know what you mean. There are no such figleafs or awkward dialog in this game that you’d normally see when incest is clearly intended.

the mods tag a game as incest if a patch exists at all fanmade or not. I’ve seen some where the dev himself complained about a fanmod for his game fucking with his character relationships and made it clear he didn’t want incest but they left the tag anyway. it is what it is.

as far as this game though, yeah it absolutely works without the mod. The character interactions make more sense and feels more natural with just the vanilla dialog.

It has incest when it first came out....and has had the incest tag since v0.1. The developer removed it later on.

Patch will be updated around Monday or Tuesday. To busy over the weekend.

Tried explaining to people it was a holiday weekend (4 or 5 day one) and you hadn't been seen in a week, so no point to constantly bug you.

 

[DanThaMan]

Yeah early beta they were related, but it was dropped in v0.2a and the way the characters have been written ever since doesn't seem to play around incest taboos at all... especially with how Emily reacted (or rather didn't react) to the obvious flirting going on between MC and Chloe. Either way, there's a incest mod for people that must imagine them related but it's definitely not official. Just keeping a dream alive for some folks I guess. IMO, I think incest doesn't even fit the tone of this vn with how it's going.

Well that's because the ONLY person that's related to the MC is the daughter (whoever that is) and obviously there won't ever be any sexual scenes with her.. the incest tag on this game just confuses people and honestly should be removed.

 

[Ricthequick]

Well that's because the ONLY person that's related to the MC is the daughter (whoever that is) and obviously there won't ever be any sexual scenes with her.. the incest tag on this game just confuses people and honestly should be removed.

As others have said the mere existence of an I patch on this site is enough to justify the tag, whether one likes it or not, that's what usually happens.

As to the other part, just as an example, not being aware you are committing incest doesn't mean it didn't happen, which would open other narrative opportunities, but I'm looking at it from a story perspective rather than a kink one of course.

As I said before I personally think this AVN feels a bit off both with and without the I patch, with the patch everything feels a bit fake, without feels like something's missing, the characters and situations are written in a way that despite the efforts still show how the original idea included it.

 

[DanThaMan]

As to the other part, just as an example, not being aware you are committing incest doesn't mean it didn't happen, which would open other narrative opportunities, but I'm looking at it from a story perspective rather than a kink one of course.

But the dev knows who the daughter is in the story (obviously) which is why i think there will never be sexual interactions between them.. it doesn't matter if the MC knows or not.. the dev does.

 

[Ricthequick]

But the dev knows who the daughter is in the story (obviously) which is why i think there will never be sexual interactions between them.. it doesn't matter if the MC knows or not.. the dev does.

I'm saying something different thou, don't get me wrong, I understand why incest was removed to begin with, it wasn't a story reason, rather a marketability one (read: content disallowed on most sites).

I'm looking at it from a narrative perspective, incest would "fit like a glove" if it applied only to the lost daughter, and happening before the MC even realizes it's her.

For context, I only played this one from the previous update, and played it first without the patch (I didn't even notice it had the incest tag tbh, I just liked the premise and the look of it), something felt missing, I checked it then with the patch, and like I said most interactions felt out of place/fake.

 

[desmosome]

It has incest since v0.1, later on the developer tried removing it, very valid reason, Patreon and Steam.

The patch is only trying to restore it. The patch linked in the OP was taken over by another person has the one who originally did didn't have the time as they are working on Long Short Story Ren'Py port and said they wouldn't be around very much on F95 anymore.




It has incest when it first came out....and has had the incest tag since v0.1. The developer removed it later on.



Tried explaining to people it was a holiday weekend (4 or 5 day one) and you hadn't been seen in a week, so no point to constantly bug you.

I see. But there are different ways of "removing" incest. One is the more typical "landlady" situation. Just literally treat it as incest but say they are landlady/roommate. It's retarded but just a nod towards the patch and the story doesn't work at all without it.

The other end of the spectrum would be full rewrite. Drop the pretense of family entirely and fully commit to the different dynamic. They can still act familiar and very close, but give story supported explanations on their bond and dynamics.

But most devs just can't drop it entirely. They always have lingering desires and the expectations from fans. These devs try to make it work both ways usually, and it often ends up having problems both as incest and non-incest.

As stupid as landlady stuff is, it's at least written with the explicit intent to be word replaced. The story is written fully with incest as the purpose, but just using some code words.

On the other hand, situations like this is just unsatisfying. For one, the incest patch is much more complicated. It cannot be done by code or variables. The sentences need to be adjusted manually. And even with the best effort from the patch, the base script is watered down because the dev is trying to make it work as non-incest story. So there is just something missing in the dynamics. And because the dev wanted to preserve some incest vibes too, the non-incest parts are also kind of odd.

 

[DanThaMan]

I'm looking at it from a narrative perspective, incest would "fit like a glove" if it applied only to the lost daughter, and happening before the MC even realizes it's her.

It would create a fitting story but then the dev as the creator of the story would be knowingly writing incest into the game which isn't allowed, if you understand what i mean?

 

[Ricthequick]

It would create a fitting story but then the dev as the creator of the story would be knowingly writing incest into the game which isn't allowed, if you understand what i mean?

I just literally wrote what you said, so yes I do understand.

 

[SonsOfLiberty]

On the other hand, situations like this is just unsatisfying. For one, the incest patch is much more complicated. It cannot be done by code or variables. The sentences need to be adjusted manually. And even with the best effort from the patch, the base script is watered down because the dev is trying to make it work as non-incest story. So there is just something missing in the dynamics. And because the dev wanted to preserve some incest vibes too, the non-incest parts are also kind of odd.

Nah, the patch does just fine and the person who does it does a good job (same with the previous) as it's more of rewrite than just putting lines of text in.

The easiest way would have been for the developer just to add what almost every developer does is just "choose your own relationship".

 

[louisamay]

Since I was blocked out of giving a review on the OP, I will take the opportunity here:
I just have to say that, except for the pretty girl renders, this AVN is a flop. The story starts with incest implications -- but then abandons them. The MC is a very stupid person with the mind of a 14-year-old who apparently runs a large company with a private jet! He is being bamboozled by the most obvious "best friend/business partner-chiseler" in the world -- but hey, MC "trusts" him. Also, all the LI's look like they could indeed be sisters, if not twins, or triplets, or whatever. What a maddeningly frustrating, and ultimately pointless game. All these "5" ratings I saw were either paid proponents, or youngsters who have never played an actually good AVN. I tried this game again after playing and reviewing back in 9/24, and boy, it is definitely NOT better. Hard PASS.
Sorry to all you players who are immersed, but if I could have just done this on "reviews", I would have. It just pissed me off. If I saw 'Bob' one more time, when he should just be selling toilet paper -- pop! pop! 2 in the head. And MC is his best friend? Please....

 

[Ricthequick]

Nah, the patch does just fine and the person who does it does a good job (same with the previous) as it's more of rewrite than just putting lines of text in.

The easiest way would have been for the developer just to add what almost every developer does is just "choose your own relationship".

Writing stories is a bit like cooking, you start with a recipie in your mind, you can easily change it as much as you want before you actually start cooking, and you decide for example to add plenty of laurel since you like the taste it gives to your dishes.

While already cooking you find out the person who's going to taste it doesn't like laurel in their food, so you try your best to remove all the leaves from an already boiling pot, it won't taste like a laurel based dish, but most folks could still pick up traces of it.

Now a different cook comes in towards the end of the process and decides they are going to "fix your wrong choice" so right before the dish is served they drop bunch of raw laurel leaves in the pot, resulting in a dish that ultimately tastes like uncooked laurel.

Sorry for the silly example, but that's what I got from the 2 versions (official and i patch), both are fine, but both taste like a messy dish.

 

[Just Jericho]

Writing stories is a bit like cooking, you start with a recipie in your mind, you can easily change it as much as you want before you actually start cooking, and you decide for example to add plenty of laurel since you like the taste it gives to your dishes.

While already cooking you find out the person who's going to taste it doesn't like laurel in their food, so you try your best to remove all the leaves from an already boiling pot, it won't taste like a laurel based dish, but most folks could still pick up traces of it.

Now a different cook comes in towards the end of the process and decides they are going to "fix your wrong choice" so right before the dish is served they drop bunch of raw laurel leaves in the pot, resulting in a dish that ultimately tastes like uncooked laurel.

Sorry for the silly example, but that's what I got from the 2 versions (official and i patch), both are fine, but both taste like a messy dish.

To be fair, I think the only thing wrong with the rewrite to non-incest was how little reasoning there was to bring grace and chloe into the story. It's basically just, "Oh I wonder how Grace is doing..." and off he goes knocking on her door. I think that part was a little hasty and there could have had been more reasoning to introduce Grace and Chloe, but otherwise I think everything else works perfectly fine. She's a grieving widow and he's a handsome old neighbor come back into her life who likes to honk her tiddies and romance sparks. Meanwhile, Chloe had a girlhood crush on MC and now she's all growed up still crushing and incidentally, MC likes honking her tiddies too. All that works more than fine, IMO.

 

[Ricthequick]

To be fair, I think the only thing wrong with the rewrite to non-incest was how little reasoning there was to bring grace and chloe into the story. It's basically just, "Oh I wonder how Grace is doing..." and off he goes knocking on her door. I think that part was a little hasty and there could have had been more reasoning to introduce Grace and Chloe, but otherwise I think everything else works perfectly fine. She's a grieving widow and he's a handsome old neighbor come back into her life who likes to honk her tiddies and romance sparks. Meanwhile, Chloe had a girlhood crush on MC and now she's all growed up still crushing and incidentally, MC likes honking her tiddies too. All that works more than fine, IMO.

Premise: I spent too much time during my career reviewing others' scripts (not on their behalf mind you, rather the publishers'), so I try as much as possible to keep it at least funny/light and unprofessional.

Observation: I agree with you, on the other hand in the official version what still "tasted like laurel" was Emily, I might be 200% wrong on it (happens a lot), and it was meant from the very get go to just be a red herring, but it screamed to me "Ah here's a laurel based dish!"

Conclusion: I recently started replaying again KOTOR, I should stop pretending I'm HK-47

 

[Just Jericho]

Premise: I spent too much time during my career reviewing others' scripts (not on their behalf mind you, rather the publishers'), so I try as much as possible to keep it at least funny/light and unprofessional.

Observation: I agree with you, on the other hand in the official version what still "tasted like laurel" was Emily, I might be 200% wrong on it (happens a lot), and it was meant from the very get go to just be a red herring, but it screamed to me "Ah here's a laurel based dish!"

Conclusion: I recently started replaying again KOTOR, I should stop pretending I'm HK-47

Oh, Emily? Yeah total red herring lol. Daughter's supposed to be 18 so Emily's too old. Second thing is the whole eye color thing kind of rules her out. Both MC and Elizabeth have blue eyes which is recessive, so baby will 100% have blue eyes. Emily's eyes are green, so she's not it unless she's wearing contacts.

I also had a hunch Olivia's not the daughter either based on absolutely nothing. I want to think we haven't met the daughter yet. But I think I remember a post a while back about the dev saying we're a year or two out from a final episode. So if that's the case, it's probably going to wind up being Olivia just because of how few characters there are.

 

[Ricthequick]

Oh, Emily? Yeah total red herring lol. Daughter's supposed to be 18 so Emily's too old. Second thing is the whole eye color thing kind of rules her out. Both MC and Elizabeth have blue eyes which is recessive, so baby will 100% have blue eyes. Emily's eyes are green, so she's not it unless she's wearing contacts.

I also had a hunch Olivia's not the daughter either based on absolutely nothing. I want to think we haven't met the daughter yet. But I think I remember a post a while back about the dev saying we're a year or two out from a final episode. So if that's the case, it's probably going to wind up being Olivia just because of how few characters there are.

Why do the eyes rule her out? My memory sucks (a lot) so I don't remember mentions of the MC knowing his daughter's eye color?

Genetically speaking the green colour is indeed the least dominant, but is not impossible for it to turn up in kids, just to post some numbers (yay... not really lol):

Blue + Blue = <1% of having a green eyed kid
Brown + Blue = <1% of having a green eyed kid

One could say it highly unlikely, almost impossible, yet my mom had blue eyes, my dad had brown eyes, I have green eyes.

As for Olivia, call me stupid (I am), but after reading the thread (after doing the 2 playtrhoughs +/- i patch), I sort of got this idea she was added to the story with the reworks, no idea why, but she seems to conveniently pop out of the blue (mind you haven't played this latest update yet).

 

[majw]

Can anyone share a save file with all galleries (and routes) unlocked? I really can't seem to unlock everything myself.

 

[Just Jericho]

Why do the eyes rule her out? My memory sucks (a lot) so I don't remember mentions of the MC knowing his daughter's eye color?

Genetically speaking the green colour is indeed the least dominant, but is not impossible for it to turn up in kids, just to post some numbers (yay... not really lol):

Blue + Blue = <1% of having a green eyed kid
Brown + Blue = <1% of having a green eyed kid

One could say it highly unlikely, almost impossible, yet my mom had blue eyes, my dad had brown eyes, I have green eyes.

As for Olivia, call me stupid (I am), but after reading the thread (after doing the 2 playtrhoughs +/- i patch), I sort of got this idea she was added to the story with the reworks, no idea why, but she seems to conveniently pop out of the blue (mind you haven't played this latest update yet).

The blue eye gene is recessive to all other eye colors. The simple answer is while any combination of eye colors in the parents could result in a child expressing a recessive blue eyed allele, two blue eyed parents guarantees a blue eyed child because they're homozygous recessive. The child will inherit 2 recessive alleles which means it's 100% that the child will express that trait too. Blue + Blue = always blue.

And we know that both MC and Elizabeth have blue eyes from the conversation in the car between MC and Emily (as well as Elizabeth's bio page). So mystery baby has blue eyes.

As it happens, Olivia also has blue eyes. Doesn't mean anything yet, but it does mean she's a candidate to be the daughter while Emily is not (and Emily's still too old).

 

[SonsOfLiberty]

Writing stories is a bit like cooking, you start with a recipie in your mind, you can easily change it as much as you want before you actually start cooking, and you decide for example to add plenty of laurel since you like the taste it gives to your dishes.

While already cooking you find out the person who's going to taste it doesn't like laurel in their food, so you try your best to remove all the leaves from an already boiling pot, it won't taste like a laurel based dish, but most folks could still pick up traces of it.

Now a different cook comes in towards the end of the process and decides they are going to "fix your wrong choice" so right before the dish is served they drop bunch of raw laurel leaves in the pot, resulting in a dish that ultimately tastes like uncooked laurel.

Sorry for the silly example, but that's what I got from the 2 versions (official and i patch), both are fine, but both taste like a messy dish.

There was never an official patch, those who did it before just changed the lines to "more incest appropriate dialogue". The first does Long Short Story (Ren'Py port), and the second just added on to that existing patch. They also took some of the lines from the old version before patching was needed.

The patching was not needed until Steam approval.



GetOutOfMyLab updating the OG one since the guy vanished

My name is Bond, James Bond upating the same two

Example of changed dialogue (that's not a rewrite)

It's okay Chloe, to its okay sis...and so on.

I think folks should dig though the internet archive or here and go back and find v0.1 or v0.2.

 

[Ricthequick]

The blue eye gene is recessive to all other eye colors. The simple answer is while any combination of eye colors in the parents could result in a child expressing a recessive blue eyed allele, two blue eyed parents guarantees a blue eyed child because they're homozygous recessive. The child will inherit 2 recessive alleles which means it's 100% that the child will express that trait too. Blue + Blue = always blue.

And we know that both MC and Elizabeth have blue eyes from the conversation in the car between MC and Emily (as well as Elizabeth's bio page). So mystery baby has blue eyes.

As it happens, Olivia also has blue eyes. Doesn't mean anything yet, but it does mean she's a candidate to be the daughter while Emily is not (and Emily's still too old).

Sorry, but is more complicated than "just" two parents with blue eyes can't have a child with green eyes.

Despite being true that blue eyes are an expression of recessive alleles, genes' interactions are more complex than that, that's where genetic complementation (as well as recombination) comes in.

Not trying to start a scientifc debate, just stating something that happens, not very common, but still happens.

EDIT: so this can also help folks not to panic if both them and their partner have blue eyes and get a green eyed kid, it's most likely a case that the kid ain't yours, BUT... not certain.