Ren'Py Abandoned Rejected No More [v0.2.2] [RoyalCandy]

[Cico8]

Let's be honest this game is already abandoned and this is exactly the reason why i am extremely careful about what devs i support. I would be pretty pissed if i was one of the patrons. Shit i'm probably the only one who liked this game especially girls. These two from new game looks kinda meh...

 

[Rocc46]

Let's be honest this game is already abandoned and this is exactly the reason why i am extremely careful about what devs i support. I would be pretty pissed if i was one of the patrons. Shit i'm probably the only one who liked this game especially girls. These two from new game looks kinda meh...

I mean this was essentially destined to happen. It would be different if this was his first game but it's not. He built an audience that likes certain stuff and with this game he did a complete 180 a did everything differently which almost never works.

 

[DanThaMan]

Well at least it got abandoned before it got anywhere meaningful in the story.

 

[Johny Alfa]

I'm more than disappointed. I liked the game, not in its current state because its barley a game, but I wont judge a 0.1 version for that. However I could see what he tiring to do and the potential in it.
Now its kind of opposite, not that preview for both new game looks very plain and boring to me, but rather if he that quickly jumps ship on difficulties and reacts that much sensitivity to Patronage change that is very bad sign for me. That there is no persistence behind his vision, he willing to make very big and bad compromises on his creativity, and some loud majority will shape the game and story. Lets hope I'm wrong.

 

[Falconx69]

I think the sandbox was always destined to fail when it's so far away from his previous game. At least in my experience with sandbox games there seems to be a small margin between making a good sandbox, and a bad one. The strength of NMS was the story and I felt the small amounts of freeroam in it were well done where you never really had to worry about getting lost or having scenes repeated, and in the end after a few clicks you were back to the story.

I do appreciate him trying to add a VN mode to this game though, but you could always tell it wasn't intended to be played that way with all the sudden jump cuts. It still had potential and it's disappointing to those that did like the game and actually supported him with it.

 

[royalcandy]

I received messages both on my email, patreon, discord about my decision. So let me explain a little bit better.

Some of you know that creating a sandbox in RenPy is not an easy task. The game engine was not designed for this. Also I had to prepared around 50 different locations for this game, that's why I hired Bishop so he can work on the renders you have seen, while I focused on programming, UI, locations, new characters, computer apps, mobile apps, minigames and so on.

In doing this I have spent around 1.500 hours, which affected my job. I worked very shallow on my job, which lead to me being fired. Bishop didn't want to risk the same fate, because we worked in the same company, so he decided to leave. As I was saying he did 80% of the renders.

For this new game I did all the programming part and UI in one day and the rest of the days I spent on writing the story, making characters and creating the scenes. I already have the location from Rejected No More, so that meant it was easy to start full on story.

On Monday I have started to work for another company, so from now on I'll be working 10-12 hours a day, which means I can only work 2-4 hours on a game. So this amount of hours for Rejected No More was pants. I can't do shit in this amount of hours for a game like Rejected, while for a visual novel I have spent 90hours and the first episode is done, with around 300 renders, 10 animations and more than 30 minutes of gameplay.

 

[Ara-sH]

I received messages both on my email, patreon, discord about my decision. So let me explain a little bit better.

Some of you know that creating a sandbox in RenPy is not an easy task. The game engine was not designed for this. Also I had to prepared around 50 different locations for this game, that's why I hired Bishop so he can work on the renders you have seen, while I focused on programming, UI, locations, new characters, computer apps, mobile apps, minigames and so on.

In doing this I have spent around 1.500 hours, which affected my job. I worked very shallow on my job, which lead to me being fired. Bishop didn't want to risk the same fate, because we worked in the same company, so he decided to leave. As I was saying he did 80% of the renders.

For this new game I did all the programming part and UI in one day and the rest of the days I spent on writing the story, making characters and creating the scenes. I already have the location from Rejected No More, so that meant it was easy to start full on story.

On Monday I have started to work for another company, so from now on I'll be working 10-12 hours a day, which means I can only work 2-4 hours on a game. So this amount of hours for Rejected No More was pants. I can't do shit in this amount of hours for a game like Rejected, while for a visual novel I have spent 90hours and the first episode is done, with around 300 renders, 10 animations and more than 30 minutes of gameplay.

I dont get it, as you said you work very much in RNM, could'nt you turn it to VN ?

 

[Johny Alfa]

I received messages both on my email, patreon, discord about my decision. So let me explain a little bit better.

Some of you know that creating a sandbox in RenPy is not an easy task. The game engine was not designed for this. Also I had to prepared around 50 different locations for this game, that's why I hired Bishop so he can work on the renders you have seen, while I focused on programming, UI, locations, new characters, computer apps, mobile apps, minigames and so on.

In doing this I have spent around 1.500 hours, which affected my job. I worked very shallow on my job, which lead to me being fired. Bishop didn't want to risk the same fate, because we worked in the same company, so he decided to leave. As I was saying he did 80% of the renders.

For this new game I did all the programming part and UI in one day and the rest of the days I spent on writing the story, making characters and creating the scenes. I already have the location from Rejected No More, so that meant it was easy to start full on story.

On Monday I have started to work for another company, so from now on I'll be working 10-12 hours a day, which means I can only work 2-4 hours on a game. So this amount of hours for Rejected No More was pants. I can't do shit in this amount of hours for a game like Rejected, while for a visual novel I have spent 90hours and the first episode is done, with around 300 renders, 10 animations and more than 30 minutes of gameplay.

Its perfectly understandable, but doesn't make me less disappointed to loose a game I had some hopes for.

 

[royalcandy]

I dont get it, as you said you work very much in RNM, could'nt you turn it to VN ?

If I turned it in a VN then all those hours that I have spent would have been pointless. There is no need for such a complicated arhitecture with quests, subquests, achievements, inventory, money system, job, mobile phone, computer, skills and so on for a VN, and beside I'm still working on Rejected No More, it's just that the updates will be slightly bigger and slightly less often, but my main focus for now is to make a game good enough to earn more patrons so I can do what I love, which is building games.

If I manage to do this full time then I can hire people to help me with both games.

But next week everybody will get to try the new game and decide if you like it. I'm sure that the people will, at least the people who supported me for No More Secrets. It's more or less the same type of game, but with better story and better graphics.

 

[Darkwen]

I was really enjoying rejected no more. The girls are very hot sure they story was developing slowly but I think that's the point because it should. Sad the game is going on hold but there no way the dev can work full time and give the game the time it needs. Heath is more important. I'm sure no more money will be great and that when the dev is able to work on RNM it will be amazing.

 

[biggestboyo]

The reason I never bother to play sandbox games is because it is too tedious, and compared to VN you're not really missing out much at all.

Dev, imo if you want more patrons make this into a VN as many have pointed out, you say you want to please the majority of the patrons and removed the ***(you know the 3 letters that gets all the lads angry and emotional), but you won't remove the sandbox mechanic because you spent too much work and hours into it..thats not pleasing the patrons at all. Also 1.5k a month from patreon while spending 10-15 hours(?) a week on the game is not bad at all. Gotta put in the hours if you want the dough. I personally wouldnt sub to someone that releases 1-2 updates a year, but thats mainly because im broke.

 

[xXwankerXx]

Some of you know that creating a sandbox in RenPy is not an easy task.

I dont get it, as you said you work very much in RNM, could'nt you turn it to VN ?

What this gentleman said. royalcandy most of us who started "bitching" about some controversial decisions you made did it bcz we respect u and your work as a dev. Like I told u in my last posts, it's a damn lot of work as it is, adding sex scenes with the MC and 30 women and voyeurism scenes with those women and their BFs is absurd. Too much work, too much stress on your pc, few money to make it worth it, and absolutely 0 logical sense to show the LI's/side characters fucking their BFs/husbands. (I'm not talking about Christine, it's what u said)

My advice is to keep it simple, turn this whole sandbox fiasco into a normal VN renpy game, focus on the story and the MC's development, and see how the fans receive it.

If I turned it in a VN then all those hours that I have spent would have been pointless. There is no need for such a complicated arhitecture with quests, subquests, achievements, inventory, money system, job, mobile phone, computer, skills and so on for a VN

I see where u coming from, but you should understand that most ppl see the Sandbox tag and they avoid the game. The pizza delivery mini game is somewhat difficult if u don't pay attention, long story short, some of these "pluses" are disposable, and the game would be more popular IMO.

It's more or less the same type of game

Please tell me it won't have sandbox and mini games coz you're basically back to square one.

Dev, imo if you want more patrons make this into a VN as many have pointed out, you say you want to please the majority of the patrons and removed the ***(you know the 3 letters that gets all the lads angry and emotional), but you won't remove the sandbox mechanic because you spent too much work and hours into it..thats not pleasing the patrons at all.

Agreed. He should also tell the story how he thinks it fits best to the game, not let others decide it. The majority of well-paid projects are simple RenPy games with good visuals and a decent story. 2 good examples are Chasing Sunsets and Intertwined, games with good renders and interesting stories that keep ppl interested in debating various aspects/characters of those stories. There's no need for a shitload of useless additions to make a successful porn game.

 

[biggestboyo]

Renders is what brings customers in, good story is what keeps them coming back. While the current style/render is decent, i think its outdated and needs to be polished. Works the poster above me are great examples and have amazing art, AoA as well. If the art is ugly but the story is good, while you'll retain a good amount of patrons, you'll also lose many due to out dated art because you can't even get them inside the door. As for me, if the art is crap i probably won't even give the game a try, yeah i know its shallow but it is what it is. I can't stare at bad art and get into the story, if thats the case i'd rather read a novel instead and use my imagination.

 

[89898hh]

Sandbox is just not worth it if you are not already a "big" dev. There are plenty of people who like or even prefer VNs (me included) VNs are the way to go. Sandboxes just feel empty and not worth the time or effort .

 

[Meridian]

So sad to see how everything went sour with this game. Sandbox model this game had is just too ambitious and that took way too much developers time, made gameplay tedious and buggy. All while most people would prefer a much simpler version of sandbox without any complicated stuff.

Releasing a game when the only sexual content of note was mother getting fucked by her bf whom mc despised was a bad move as well. Most people who liked RoyalCandys games aren't exactly thrilled about this type of content.

Another bummer about this for me is that I really liked character models here, in particular mom and big sis. They look much, much better than characters that we see in teaser picture for No More Money.

And the dev betting so much on this game being successful that he ended up being fired from his day job is a pretty devastating shit.

Rejected No More had a very rocky start but I really hope somewhere down the line it will be developer further as a more polished/simple sandbox or a visual novel.

 

[michael1984]

pretty funny when devs make games and inmediatly want a cash grab and if they dont get it they abandon ship after just a couple of parts

Would only be more funny when that next project sees the same fate

 

[Raziel_8]

As a fan from NMS i'm really baffed how this trainwreck could happen.
The fanbase was happy with it, the things they wanted where animations and a more fleshed out ending...
So lets give the fanbase Sandbox, grind, minigames, a creepy MC, NTR/Voyeur and a game which strongly resembels BB (which was already a bad game back than, imo)..i don't get it
I can't even say that i'm sad this is onhold.

As i hate sandbox i didn't even try that (and i'm happy i didn't waste my time there), but even the VN mode plays really bad due to all the jumps, feels extremly repeatable and grindy...it really shows that there is not much content, despite the many renders the game already has.
The characters are really good with the big exception of the MC.
The Mc is an absolute creep most of the time with all the peeping and spy cams, reacts like an 13y old as soon as he sees some boobs and runs away covering his erection, and is it somehow important that we see him masturbate in the shower every 5min ?

I really hope the dev decides in the future to give this one a complete revamp, in form of a VN or simple freeroam parts like NMS has and hopefully a likeable MC without all the creep/peeping stuff.

It is sad to see a good dev, which trys to listen to his fanbase and works on his project so much he even losses his job to get this kind of devastating result.
But i really can't understand how the devs, which have experience under their belt, could assume that this kind of game would be successful with their established fanbase.

 

[redweiler2]

If I turned it in a VN then all those hours that I have spent would have been pointless. There is no need for such a complicated arhitecture with quests, subquests, achievements, inventory, money system, job, mobile phone, computer, skills and so on for a VN, and beside I'm still working on Rejected No More, it's just that the updates will be slightly bigger and slightly less often, but my main focus for now is to make a game good enough to earn more patrons so I can do what I love, which is building games.

If I manage to do this full time then I can hire people to help me with both games.

But next week everybody will get to try the new game and decide if you like it. I'm sure that the people will, at least the people who supported me for No More Secrets. It's more or less the same type of game, but with better story and better graphics.

Hey man everything that you told is full understood
(for me at least)
But can you put The 3 main girls from Rejected No More in your new game?
No as basic characters... Is that possible?
please give us an answer!

 

[royalcandy]

Hey man everything that you told is full understood
(for me at least)
But can you put The 3 main girls from Rejected No More in your new game?
No as basic characters... Is that possible?
please give us an answer!

No More Money will happen in the same city and period as Rejected No More, so seeing them in public places or in highschool, hospital might happen, but you won't be able to have fun with them, because I'm still working on Rejected No More, so it would be strange knowing that they are cheating on you with you.

 

[xXwankerXx]

No More Money will happen in the same city and period as Rejected No More, so seeing them in public places or in highschool, hospital might happen, but you won't be able to have fun with them

Is the MC from your new game also Brian's classmate or he's just another person living in the same city ?? Can you pls tell us if the MC in this game will do something with Julia or Monique from NMS ?? I know I'm kinda "fangirling" over them, but you blue balled us with these two in NMS. You owe us one, bro'.

I hope this MC isn't a wimp like the one from RNM, we don't more dudes like that, and we clearly don't need any more pointless voyeurism scenes with the girls fucking their BFs/husbands.