Freki

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Although I didn't like some of content, I have to agree that for a first attempt you guys did a good job. I think that some of criticism has been too harsh especially for a first release. If it were me, I'd take even the worst comments (with a grain of salt) and look for whatever might be helpful to making a better story and disregard the rest. Obviously this is easier said then done.
Thanks, we are taking that aspect. so don't worry :) I just want people to know we're open to listen but we don't want to hear the worst that we've been seeing :) anyways thanks for your words, and we know not everyone will be in love with this from the first.... but it's something Karabinek has wanted to get done and we both want to see this to the end. (also this is a test for a signature!)
 
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I disagree with your assessment of WVM. I do understand the criticism of the story. As I just posted in WVM's discussion, Spielberg made Raiders of the Lost Ark and Schindler's List. S.L. is clearly the better movie; but after a hard day at work, I'd rather watch Raiders. Are there better VN's than WVM? Absolutely! But I will tell you that there are some days that it's exactly the game that I want to play. Sure it's fluff, but that's what it wants to be.
Like I said...subjective tastes I guess. Nothing wrong with that.

Personally I'm of opinion, like others falling outside the very specific need types that dev very successfully caters to (which I'd continue doing if I was in his shoes too), that it is probably one worst written games on this site. I would sit through a constant barrage of engrish I couldn't understand a quarter of the time before being able to stomach another large sample of that endless lowest common denominator style writing. Drowning me with completely soulless pleasure bots (some which are creepy as all heck with it at that) and constant novel length ego reassurances that I'm the absolute greatest thing ever just isn't my cup of tea at all :)
 
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Spfjolietjake

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Personally I don't get it. Must be hard to watch movies, read books or heaven forbid watch the news if the trigger is so sensitive. I personally think it gives her character... well uh character. ‍♂
 

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what part of something happening 12 years ago is NTR? sigh
Personally I don't get it. Must be hard to watch movies, read books or heaven forbid watch the news if the trigger is so sensitive. I personally think it gives her character... well uh character. ‍♂
I don't understand people and the NTR tag. If you watch porn then you are watching a guy fuck a girl (assuming a standard porn situation). Does that trigger people?

Sandra was gang raped 12 years prior and hasn't been close to a guy since. How is that NTR?

If a woman mentions her former boyfriend is that NTR now too?

My one objection about the Sandra revelation is how quickly she trusted the MC with it.

Ugh
 

Spfjolietjake

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Agree one hundred percent. I view the quick reveal as in a TV show or short story. They don't have "time" for the proper 7th date "tragedy reveal". Visual novels seem like a medium that doesn't really lend itself to long story telling, but I maybe wrong I'm still new this wonderful world of entertainment
I don't understand people and the NTR tag. If you watch porn then you are watching a guy fuck a girl (assuming a standard porn situation). Does that trigger people?

Sandra was gang raped 12 years prior and hasn't been close to a guy since. How is that NTR?

If a woman mentions her former boyfriend is that NTR now too?

My one objection about the Sandra revelation is how quickly she trusted the MC with it.

Ugh
 

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I don't understand people and the NTR tag. If you watch porn then you are watching a guy fuck a girl (assuming a standard porn situation). Does that trigger people?
Some. That's why solo/masturbation porn is pretty popular.
Sandra was gang raped 12 years prior and hasn't been close to a guy since. How is that NTR?
I don't know.Can't answer this one.
If a woman mentions her former boyfriend is that NTR now too?
Kinda yes for me if she give me a detailed sex act. Like ugh I don't need to know that.
 

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Thankfully, it's my friend who's in this situation. Good thing they were just dating.
Yeah, there is an outside chance she detailed it because she wanted to do something similar with him.

I don't mind if a woman tells me about an incredible sexual experience as long as I don't know the dude. I don't want to picture her and him doing whatever it was with each other.

I'm scarred enough knowing that in an interview Kirstie Alley said that Kelsey Grammar really likes felching.

And if you read that spoiler I take no blame for your lack of willpower.
 

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I'm scarred enough knowing that in an interview Kirstie Alley said that Kelsey Grammar really likes felching.

And if you read that spoiler I take no blame for your lack of willpower.
The kink itself isn't the problem. At least extreme fisting (like put a human head into pussy) is worse for me.
 

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The kink itself isn't the problem. At least extreme fisting (like put a human head into pussy) is worse for me.
Yeah, for me it's knowing the people doing it. I mean I don't really want to picture people I know doing something regardless of whether it's vanilla or really out there.
 
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TiffanyMonroe

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what part of something happening 12 years ago is NTR? sigh
I don't understand people and the NTR tag. If you watch porn then you are watching a guy fuck a girl (assuming a standard porn situation). Does that trigger people?

Sandra was gang raped 12 years prior and hasn't been close to a guy since. How is that NTR?

If a woman mentions her former boyfriend is that NTR now too?

My one objection about the Sandra revelation is how quickly she trusted the MC with it.

Ugh
Element-ntr is the joke. I'm not saying what happened IS ntr so calm down and put the pitchforks away. :KEK:
 

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I don't understand people and the NTR tag. If you watch porn then you are watching a guy fuck a girl (assuming a standard porn situation). Does that trigger people?

Sandra was gang raped 12 years prior and hasn't been close to a guy since. How is that NTR?

If a woman mentions her former boyfriend is that NTR now too?

My one objection about the Sandra revelation is how quickly she trusted the MC with it.

Ugh
That's what pov is for! Ok, if I have to give a serious answer, in most games (actual games, not kinetic novels) you have to make some choices, so it's easier for people to immerse themselves into the MC's place. Porn is just jerk off material. I don't think that there are many people watching porn for the storyline or to immerse themselves into the "protagonist's" place... It's just two or more people fucking. For instance I don't mind watching dp or gangbang scenes in porn, but I won't play games with unavoidable sharing, even if we are talking about just one scene that only lasts a couple of minutes.

About the ex boyfriends, I agree with what darth_hiruma said. It becomes a problem only if she starts giving you "details" you didn't ask for.

Now, about the issue at hand. I personally don't care about the "incident", meaning it doesn't make me want to avoid Sandra. I like her, so I'm going to pursue her and if we get to beat the crap out of the guys, even better. In general I don't like this kind of storylines, but the fact that it happened in the past makes a difference, at least for me. I think the problem for most people was the way she talked about it. In these situations you want just the facts. "They raped me and even laughed about it" and that's it. Everything else just creates unneeded mental images. Saying how they took turns raping her for several hours was a bit of an overkill. I think that even if a woman decides to talk about such a traumatic experience with someone she barely knows, she would still be reluctant about sharing some of the more painful details. I might be wrong, because like I said it's not a dealbreaker for me and I actually liked the game, but that's how I see it.
 
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