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It's been awhile since he's done something zanny.
They are my least favorite scenes but I'm expecting some aliens or alternate dimension character events in this upcoming release.
But who knows. We might see more space Beth.

The Morty's are fucking each other.
The Summers are fucking each other.
It stands to reason Ferdafs will have the Beth's do the same. Especially since it was in the show.

*sigh*
We may never see that core Summer/Beth content.
honestly i like the most the normal beth/ summer quest, more than space beth and wild summer, cant really explain why lol
 

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It's been awhile since he's done something zanny.
They are my least favorite scenes but I'm expecting some aliens or alternate dimension character events in this upcoming release.
But who knows. We might see more space Beth.

The Morty's are fucking each other.
The Summers are fucking each other.
It stands to reason Ferdafs will have the Beth's do the same. Especially since it was in the show.

*sigh*
We may never see that core Summer/Beth content.
Side characters will always be my least favorite. I'm always hoping for more main girl content.

I think Beth/Summer (and Beth/Morticia) are a long, long way off in the main game, as there none of the family girls know Morty is having sex with anyone else. Tricia knows about summer, and... I think that is it? Yeah, summer/Morticia that one time with potion Morty, but beyond that I'm struggling to recall any other moments. Doesn't mean it won't happen, just no build up to it if it does.

As is always the case, all I can really do is wait and see...

I'm still hoping for Summer's part of the story, where she will completely ditch Ethan and starts full on actual romance with Morty.
As always, just a guess, but I think this is very unlikely to happen soon, as it is the conclusion of summer's main story. So if ferdafs does include it, most likely at the end of the game.
 

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- Side characters will always be my least favorite. I'm always hoping for more main girl content.

- I think Beth/Summer (and Beth/Morticia) are a long, long way off in the main game, as there none of the family girls know Morty is having sex with anyone else.

- Tricia knows about summer, and... I think that is it? Yeah, summer/Morticia that one time with potion Morty, but beyond that I'm struggling to recall any other moments.

- Doesn't mean it won't happen, just no build up to it if it does.
1st Point: I agree to a degree on the main cast, there does need some more variety to fill out the roster before things get stale. If it was just the main girls and no side character to 'dip your wick in' ever once in a while it becomes Incest Simulator (or would it be Clone Sex Simulator? Dunno, don't care.) So having them isn't a bad thing per say just different for the sake of pacing.

2nd Point: I wouldn't say that. Beth knows Morty is after Jessica (who isn't in the know about her, it's all he talks about).

Morticia is kept in the loop about EVERYONE because Morty tells her: the Gazoorpians he keeps knocking up which is three of them, she's also Morty's accomplice in his antics; Nancy during the sleepover post anal sex; Morty/Summer(s) with half of her involve in them herself; Gwendolyn (although is that considered a "person"?); Tricia (love this bitch) is pretty aware about Summer after the initial blackmail but Morticia knows about her.

As for Beth ... She's fucked Morty with the Artist session twice, and I'm pretty damn sure she completely oblivious to the amount of sex going around the house as the Yoga event is swept under the rug when Morticia checks up on her when Potion Morty took over. She's in great denial that's it's almost painfully obvious Morty has experience but she's to gobsmacked to care or noticed because big dick energy swoops in and knocks her out on her ass every time. Pretty hot regardless.

Then there's Summer & Autumn (Alt Summer) i still love that inclusion by the way. The Lesbian Threesome showed Summer/Autumn/Morticia that Morty is pounding Beth's factory through the use of a portal to spy on them Post-Planetina breakup sex. (Still my most favorite one by far). So the main cast of girls of the household are at least aware of the goings on between family members. Besides Beth (and i guess Space Beth now).

The only characters i haven't pieced together if anyone knows about are: Maple from the Creampie event with the wine, The Collector's "collection of whores", Female Rick, Tammy, Nancy, Kitty (Frank's Mom), Keira (Jerry's Huntress Girlfriend), Morty's Gym Partner (can't think of her name at the moment), Unity (I think Summer is suspicious but not outright seen), nobody knows about Fascist Beth, Summer and Jessica so it's self contained to just Morty & Rick.

3rd Point: Tricia is fully aware of Summer/Morty but she's more connected to those outside of the family in her experiments. To be honest, i think her head would explode in awe if she knew the full extent of how much sex Morty has with everyone. Still repressed as ever, it feels like the post-blackout /Elvis Marriage thing and she just backed way back after that. Story wise, this looks like backtracking to me.

4th Point: it does fit the norm for Ferdafs, but like you said: bad communication. We're not privy to know the complete storyboard Ferdafs' for in mind for everyone and the pacing is about 2 months if not 3 for updates. As long as he's putting alot of work in making a fucking best selling novel as his gold standard for writing - sex is secondary and a bonus. I just hope things start clicking into place and the ever filling universe roster of fuckables doesn't outpace what is necessarily manageable to work in favor of the game itself. Not Overreaching.

Although ... i still wouldn't be against more events with Tricia since she's technically the first to really fuck around with Morty since the beginning. She just checks a alot of boxes for crazy church girl that's up to get down and dirty. Reminds me of my ex girlfriend in alot of ways - wild times ... Butt fun times. Hehe!
 

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1st Point: I agree to a degree on the main cast, there does need some more variety to fill out the roster before things get stale. If it was just the main girls and no side character to 'dip your wick in' ever once in a while it becomes Incest Simulator (or would it be Clone Sex Simulator? Dunno, don't care.) So having them isn't a bad thing per say just different for the sake of pacing.
I meant more "one-off" characters like Plantina or Frank's Mom (yes I know she technically has more than one scene). As a player, the connection to the character is more important (to me) than just the sex. If I want just the sex, there are other ways I can enjoy that sort of content. I like some porn in my story over just porn, or porn with a story.

Most of the one-and-done girls just do nothing for me. Every now and then they work, but mostly I'm here for incest simulator. Doesn't mean I don't understand why players like them, nor am I saying people shouldn't like them, they just aren't my thing (here or in other games).

2nd Point: I wouldn't say that. Beth knows Morty is after Jessica (who isn't in the know about her, it's all he talks about).
Primarily, that post was talking about where the Unity version is at (not this game, where more characters are in on the players escapades). For the most part (in the Unity version), few characters know about who Morty is involved with. Which is why I think Beth/Summer or Beth/Morticia scenes are still far off.

Personally, I'd still love a Summer/Summer/Morty scene, and we got so close last update.

The Lesbian Threesome showed Summer/Autumn/Morticia that Morty is pounding Beth's factory through the use of a portal to spy on them Post-Planetina breakup sex. (Still my most favorite one by far).
Original scene, only for the Renpy game.

The only characters i haven't pieced together if anyone knows about are: Maple from the Creampie event with the wine, The Collector's "collection of whores", Female Rick, Tammy, Nancy, Kitty (Frank's Mom), Keira (Jerry's Huntress Girlfriend), Morty's Gym Partner (can't think of her name at the moment), Unity (I think Summer is suspicious but not outright seen), nobody knows about Fascist Beth, Summer and Jessica so it's self contained to just Morty & Rick.
At least for the Renpy version, the only other person other than Morty that really knows about most of the side characters, is Morticia, who has looked through Morty's Mindblowers on his phone.

3rd Point: Tricia is fully aware of Summer/Morty but she's more connected to those outside of the family in her experiments. To be honest, i think her head would explode in awe if she knew the full extent of how much sex Morty has with everyone. Still repressed as ever, it feels like the post-blackout /Elvis Marriage thing and she just backed way back after that. Story wise, this looks like backtracking to me.
Yeah, Ferdafs really hasn't moved her story forward for a while unfortunately. There are two scene published after the wedding incident which were: "Not the Bees!" and "Bechdel Test".

In the renpy version, Bechdel Test got placed earlier in time (mainly for Morticia, as the scene is mostly about her (also it shows Jessica with Brad, who are current broken up after Unity's (the character) party and haven't reconciled in either game))). But very little dynamic between Tricia/Morty in the scene anyhow.

And while Not the Bees happens after the black out event, it again has very little interaction between the two. More than likely we'll have to put together a scene to resolve the issue at some point, but until we have more on Tricia, I'm hesitant to move her forward.

4th Point: it does fit the norm for Ferdafs, but like you said: bad communication. We're not privy to know the complete storyboard Ferdafs' for in mind for everyone and the pacing is about 2 months if not 3 for updates. As long as he's putting alot of work in making a fucking best selling novel as his gold standard for writing - sex is secondary and a bonus. I just hope things start clicking into place and the ever filling universe roster of fuckables doesn't outpace what is necessarily manageable to work in favor of the game itself. Not Overreaching.
I've been playing the Unity game nearly from the the start, and working on the Renpy version for a few years now. I would say that outside of the wandering mechanic, my next biggest issue with the Unity version was how there are very few connections between scenes. Yeah, single character stories sometimes build from the last one, but mostly they are largely standalone scenes. I've added a lot (maybe too much) of extra bits to try and tie things together, hoping to make a cohesive story, instead of a bunch of random scenes.

Or to put it another way, I'm not holding my breath that loose ends will get tied up, or major plot elements will get resolved by Ferdafs. aaronminus and I will do our best to have things make as much sense as possible. But there are limits we have to stay within (mostly self imposed by me).

Although ... i still wouldn't be against more events with Tricia since she's technically the first to really fuck around with Morty since the beginning. She just checks a alot of boxes for crazy church girl that's up to get down and dirty. Reminds me of my ex girlfriend in alot of ways - wild times ... Butt fun times. Hehe!
After Beth/Summer/Morticia, Tricia has the next most scenes, so I'm sure we will get more of her, if not soon, at some point.
 

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I think we're closer to a Beth, Space Beth, Morty threesome, than a Summer, Wild Summer, Morty one honestly.

If space Beth does the mind merger thingy with Beth, she'll get all her memories.

There's a few ways to play that. Ether she gets Beth's memories and after seeing all the sex they've had she wants in on it.
Or the better way imo, she catches Beth fooling around with Morty, freaks out, tears Beth a new one and ether Beth trying to justify things to Space Beth has them exchange memories. Or Morty trying to stop the fight, slaps the helms on both to the same effect.

Space Beth after seeing how it all happened and semi experiencing it all calms down. She'd need some time to process everything but in the end knows that she'd have made the same choices Beth did.

With the two having made up and on the same page, space Beth wants to try her son out for herself.
 

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I think we're closer to a Beth, Space Beth, Morty threesome, than a Summer, Wild Summer, Morty one honestly.

If space Beth does the mind merger thingy with Beth, she'll get all her memories.

There's a few ways to play that. Ether she gets Beth's memories and after seeing all the sex they've had she wants in on it.
Or the better way imo, she catches Beth fooling around with Morty, freaks out, tears Beth a new one and ether Beth trying to justify things to Space Beth has them exchange memories. Or Morty trying to stop the fight, slaps the helms on both to the same effect.

Space Beth after seeing how it all happened and semi experiencing it all calms down. She'd need some time to process everything but in the end knows that she'd have made the same choices Beth did.

With the two having made up and on the same page, space Beth wants to try her son out for herself.
My spider-sense says Beth X Space Beth or Beth/Space-Beth/Morty threesome is the next “crossover”.
Personally, up for whatever, but I do have a preference for the main cast of girls. I do wonder if the most requested threesome (Summer/Beth/Morty) is being intentionally held off for near endgame due to hype at this point.
 
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It could also be not wanting to do incest and tempt patreons wrath.
Technically Morty isn't related to anyone. He's an imposter posing as this dimensions Morty.
But Beth is Summers real daughter.

Though I suspect if Patreon ever reviewed his page they'd take it down anyway.
Dont you mean Summer is Beth's real daughter?
 
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I think Beth/Space Beth/Morty is a ways off honestly. Space Beth/Morty is most likely in the near future, but 3 person scenes tend to take a while to get to. And honestly, I do prefer relationships to take some (game) time to get there (as opposed to jumping right into it (I was, glad that Space Beth's intro didn't jump right to sex with Morty, for example)). I just wish we had more frequent regular updates from Ferdafs (both status and content), but it is what it is.

It could also be not wanting to do incest and tempt patreons wrath.
Technically Morty isn't related to anyone. He's an imposter posing as this dimensions Morty.
But Summer is Beth's real daughter.
Yeah... you most likely hit the nail on the head as to why there is no Beth/Summer scene, and possibly all we will get (from Ferdafs at least) are variant characters, like Wild Summer/Beth (or some other combo).
 

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Well, the advantage of a three month cycle over a two month cycle is you have a LOT more breathing room to put some extra effort into the events. As someone who's helping develop a game currently trying out a two month cycle, I really appreciate that extra month now that I don't have it. I feel like I'm just trying to get the events completed with enough time to do a rough proof read and a basic level of testing.

Personally, my rule of thumb is, as long as a creator can put out 30min of content per month of development, I'll stay subbed. If they can't, I just sub when they put out a release.
 
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Well, the advantage of a three month cycle over a two month cycle is you have a LOT more breathing room to put some extra effort into the events. As someone who's helping develop a game currently trying out a two month cycle, I really appreciate that extra month now that I don't have it. I feel like I'm just trying to get the events completed with enough time to do a rough proof read and a basic level of testing.

Personally, my rule of thumb is, as long as a creator can put out 30min of content per month of development, I'll stay subbed. If they can't, I just sub when they put out a release.
I have complicated feelings on the development time for this game (as some might imagine). My goal when I am working on things (this game or actual work) is to complete them as quickly as possible, even if they are imperfect. I'd rather have something quick and 90% correct (with no major bugs), then slow and get it 98% (because it is never perfect). So, waiting is the most stressful part for me, in anything (no wonder I hate wandering mechanics that make me wait and waste my time).

Speaking only from the perspective of a player, 3 months feels too long. Especially when comparing with past work that was on the 2 month cycle and had similar quality. It is hard to stay excited and motivated for somehting that was months ago, and I have given up on a lot of games i once enjoyed because their updates just took too long.

Speaking as a dev, mainly focused on bring over the content and making minor changes (when they don't balloon out of control), more time between updates just means more waiting for me. I'm (usually) not actively making more scenes. While this doesn't temper my desire to work on this project, I can say the time between updates is hands down the least enjoyable part for me (okay, no drawing blinks is the least enjoyable, and I've just sort of stopped doing them...).

But also, as a dev, I know stuff takes time. And it is often hard to quantify what amount of time creativity will take.
 

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I have complicated feelings on the development time for this game (as some might imagine). My goal when I am working on things (this game or actual work) is to complete them as quickly as possible, even if they are imperfect. I'd rather have something quick and 90% correct (with no major bugs), then slow and get it 98% (because it is never perfect). So, waiting is the most stressful part for me, in anything (no wonder I hate wandering mechanics that make me wait and waste my time).

Speaking only from the perspective of a player, 3 months feels too long. Especially when comparing with past work that was on the 2 month cycle and had similar quality. It is hard to stay excited and motivated for somehting that was months ago, and I have given up on a lot of games i once enjoyed because their updates just took too long.

Speaking as a dev, mainly focused on bring over the content and making minor changes (when they don't balloon out of control), more time between updates just means more waiting for me. I'm (usually) not actively making more scenes. While this doesn't temper my desire to work on this project, I can say the time between updates is hands down the least enjoyable part for me (okay, no drawing blinks is the least enjoyable, and I've just sort of stopped doing them...).

But also, as a dev, I know stuff takes time. And it is often hard to quantify what amount of time creativity will take.
I believe you benefit more from us players beta testing your updates to speed up the quality control of your new content. You quickly put out updates, cramming as much as you can and we the players clean it up through testing to give the community the best end results. The saving system you had before was a prime example of beta testing significantly improving the quality of the game. Saving was abut of pain given the index directory didn't recognize the save files correctly with each update and some of us weren't able to save after a patch or hotfix. Your new save system by altering the event file names to separate them from the saves made it much easier in the long run even though 3.8 had to take a much longer time to put out than normal while aaronminus added more time to their writing and editing. The waiting for new updates from Ferdafs may be a pain in the ass, but the time it takes for you to improve the quality in their absence far more exceeds the immense pressure the original creator maybe facing at the head of the crunch. Ferdafs' updates at least gives you a bit of a alert and timeframe and while we're all waiting we can review the current builds to compare and contrast the differences and see what can be improved instead of making our assessment like three patches / updates behind the current build. I think your management of the project is fine, NightMirror, the way it is for that fact alone. Plus, it wouldn't hurt for you and aaronminus to take a break once in awhile so you two don't suffer from writer's block while you wait. I enjoy the read and noticed the changes you've put in and it's still pretty darn great that they were fixed from the current update. It's those details that make it enjoyable for me and that's what makes this version of RMAWH better than the Unity version. We're all contributing in some small way which doesn't happen for private Patreon creators (not insulting just my opinion on the matter) as the patrons seems to do some critiquing but those inputs either get dismissed or don't have as much of an impact on the overall quality control as the Renpy version does.

Kinda why Fenoxo's games are so well done, it's mostly community contributions and lots people with unique skills, programming, editing, coding and writing all working towards the same goal. Volunteers. The infrastructure for beta testers after patches and updates is very fluid and something i think all forums should strive for. I see some projects with that potential but get abandoned because that kind of support isn't structured as Fenoxo's is.
 
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