VN Ren'Py Ripples [v0.8.0 Public] [Jestur]

[urbantakeover]

Mushroom (shaped penis), Mushroom (shaped penis)!

That takes me back...

 

[Mathesar]

I've been polyamorous all my adult life, so I never really got the appeal. I've been monogamous from time to time, but I realized it wasn't being true to my nature.
In polyamorous communities the individuals who are held in high regard usually have a number of romantic partners. The ability to manage so many connections is usually seen as a good thing in that community.

Out of sheer curiosity, do you know how introverts deal with poly relationships? I get home from work and have very little mental energy left until I've spent some time recharging alone, so I can't really imagine how I'd handle more than one SO. Sometimes my cat is too much company, so I'm just kind of fascinated by how people can manage it.

 

[Son of Durin]

I was talking about all people, not just women. I find it hilarious how offended you get over this

Well, sociopaths tend to react that way to real humans.

 

[sageproduct]

Most people aren't like that and I was explaining that point of view which got some offended as per usual. To me polyamory is disgusting but I don't go around being offended at people for being into it.

Think you're projecting, bro. No one mentioned being offended until you did. Twice.

Out of sheer curiosity, do you know how introverts deal with poly relationships? I get home from work and have very little mental energy left until I've spent some time recharging alone, so I can't really imagine how I'd handle more than one SO. Sometimes my cat is too much company, so I'm just kind of fascinated by how people can manage it.

Word, I'm curious about some poly lifestyle/community insight on how much lifestyle and general social needs affect a person's level of fitness for poly.

I don't actually think poly is a good thing (for the vast majority of people), so I enjoy exploring narratives like Eternum [and possibly Ripples on this, TBD!] to challenge this belief of mine and flesh out why I think this way. Respect for Dragon59 and anything you feel like sharing - particularly on how long you tend to see people last in the poly lifestyle.

Some of the most renowned men of the Old Testament like Abraham were polygynous after all, and I've heard the argument that polygyny was an arrangement of pragmatism that benefitted all.

Virginity, chastity - those are good things. To covet them in another however, like you would an object you possess, betrays some serious issues with connecting with women and having true intimacy.

 

[idk792]

Think you're projecting, bro. No one mentioned being offended until you did. Twice.

People that are upset generally go for the insults

 

[Dragon59]

It's just the appeal of sexual exclusivity. It's the same reason why people don't want to get cheated on or date pornstars or date the village bicycle.

Out of sheer curiosity, do you know how introverts deal with poly relationships? I get home from work and have very little mental energy left until I've spent some time recharging alone, so I can't really imagine how I'd handle more than one SO. Sometimes my cat is too much company, so I'm just kind of fascinated by how people can manage it.

Considering polyamory quickly grew among Fantasy/Science Fiction fandom, there were a number of introverts. Often it's spending quality time without pressure. I've known cases where if one member of a triad is burned out, the two others will spend household time with each other. Often, if there are kids in the family, one of the partners will help watch the kids while two of them go on a much-needed date. I've known of many whose other loves are not local and they catch up at conventions. I know a number who are on the autism spectrum as well--polyamory often works as an alternative for neurodivergent people who don't quite fit the norm. Me, I have ADD, which mimics much of the autism spectrum and was fairly introverted in general society--I found that the fandom, polyamory, and kink communities to be places where I felt safe enough to come out of my introversion and not feel as drained.

Basically, polyamorous relationships don't work well when only one person is doing the "heavy lifting." It works best, IMHO, as a network of connections (and not just sexual). Thinking about it, an advantage of polyamory for introverts is that sometimes one can retreat to recharge while one's partners give you that space largely by interacting with each other (especially in a household).

I'll be putting a lot of this in the contemporary story after I get a few of my shorter science fiction stories done. I'm doing my short story ideas so I will hopefully not get caught up in the new developer trap of "my early chapters look like crap now, must go back and rework."

I'll have to save this and post it to my development thread. Mind if I add your question as well?

 

[Elhemeer]

Considering polyamory quickly grew among Fantasy/Science Fiction fandom, there were a number of introverts. Often it's spending quality time without pressure. I've known cases where if one member of a triad is burned out, the two others will spend household time with each other. Often, if there are kids in the family, one of the partners will help watch the kids while two of them go on a much-needed date. I've known of many whose other loves are not local and they catch up at conventions. I know a number who are on the autism spectrum as well--polyamory often works as an alternative for neurodivergent people who don't quite fit the norm. Me, I have ADD, which mimics much of the autism spectrum and was fairly introverted in general society--I found that the fandom, polyamory, and kink communities to be places where I felt safe enough to come out of my introversion and not feel as drained.

Basically, polyamorous relationships don't work well when only one person is doing the "heavy lifting." It works best, IMHO, as a network of connections (and not just sexual). Thinking about it, an advantage of polyamory for introverts is that sometimes one can retreat to recharge while one's partners give you that space largely by interacting with each other (especially in a household).

I'll be putting a lot of this in the contemporary story after I get a few of my shorter science fiction stories done. I'm doing my short story ideas so I will hopefully not get caught up in the new developer trap of "my early chapters look like crap now, must go back and rework."

I'll have to save this and post it to my development thread. Mind if I add your question as well?

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[Dragon59]

Think you're projecting, bro. No one mentioned being offended until you did. Twice.


Word, I'm curious about some poly lifestyle/community insight on how much lifestyle and general social needs affect a person's level of fitness for poly.

I don't actually think poly is a good thing (for the vast majority of people), so I enjoy exploring narratives like Eternum [and possibly Ripples on this, TBD!] to challenge this belief of mine and flesh out why I think this way. Respect for Dragon59 and anything you feel like sharing - particularly on how long you tend to see people last in the poly lifestyle.

Some of the most renowned men of the Old Testament like Abraham were polygynous after all, and I've heard the argument that polygyny was an arrangement of pragmatism that benefitted all.

Kudos to you for knowing the term polygyny.

I understand Mormon polygyny is considered to have arisen out of a crises due too the death of many of the men, leaving many widows unprotected. That does remind me of one case of some dear friends. They were a poly couple and he eventually died of heart problems. Her other partner moved in and helped her grieve and cope. This was unfortunately misunderstood by many in the local community who thought "he moved in too quickly." An earlier case of an older woman I was seeing. She died of ALS and her husband and his other partner ended up working through the process together and they eventually married. From a historical perspective, it made perfect sense to me. Having extra partners doesn't make the loss of one mean less, but it means the grief is shared and one has someone to walk that lonely road with.

I agree that it is not for everyone. In the early days, we had a lot of "polyamorous activists" who would claim that it was the solution to all the ills of relationships. They'd point to the King Arthur/Guinevere/Lancelot triangle (One author actually used that as a key element of their Arthurian story, they were happy with the triad, but society wouldn't let them).

A key point of polyamory for me is that it is a crucible. In a convention/dyadic relationship, people often keep insecurities and issues buried for a fairly long time...until they suddenly pop up. In a crucible, all the impurities float up to the top to be dealt with. So it is with polyamory--any issues you have will come to the top, and soon. A person has to have the fortitude to face those issues and move through them.

Virginity, chastity - those are good things. To covet them in another however, like you would an object you possess, betrays some serious issues with connecting with women and having true intimacy.

Thank you! That is how such an obsession/attachment lands for me.

 

[Dragon59]

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Thanks. I put it on the PDS Discussion thread since it's not specific to Dirty Snowball.

 

[TM | Twisted Games]

It's just the appeal of sexual exclusivity. It's the same reason why people don't want to get cheated on or date pornstars or date the village bicycle.

You definitely see this type of insecurity a lot in dudes. I mean, nobody wants to get cheated on I imagine...but how often do you find women saying things like 'I don't want to date a pornstar, or the village bicycle' I'd be curious to know. It seems more often that 'sexual potency' is something desirable in a dude.

 

[UnoriginalUserName]

You definitely see this type of insecurity a lot in dudes. I mean, nobody wants to get cheated on I imagine...but how often do you find women saying things like 'I don't want to date a pornstar, or the village bicycle' I'd be curious to know. It seems more often that 'sexual potency' is something desirable in a dude.

 

[Dragon59]

You definitely see this type of insecurity a lot in dudes. I mean, nobody wants to get cheated on I imagine...but how often do you find women saying things like 'I don't want to date a pornstar, or the village bicycle' I'd be curious to know. It seems more often that 'sexual potency' is something desirable in a dude.

Village pogo stick?

In the off-topic discussions is the topic, "What if your child told you they wanted to become a pornstar?" Some people gave very different answers for daughters and sons.

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Person who thinks that the lives of human beings can be reduced to objects like locks and keys is not wise, but is a fool.

 

[HentaiKami]

Village pogo stick?

In the off-topic discussions is the topic, "What if your child told you they wanted to become a pornstar?" Some people gave very different answers for daughters and sons.

Person who thinks that the lives of human beings can be reduced to objects like locks and keys is not wise, but is a fool.

The idolisation of virgins is interesting, since it's either fetish thing, or insecurity about your partner's history and experience thing. Basically those two are the only reasons for it that i can really think of, and on personal note only situation that history&experience should really worry in a relationship where you actually fancy the other person is if that history involves unfaithfulness.

My answer to that "What if your child told you they wanted to become a pornstar?" would be same for daughter or son, it would be "If that's what you really want to do and have thought it through, then you have my full support. Just gives me heads up on what videos i should avoid." That second sentence in the answer is the only difference in my reaction on them telling me what their job is, compared to more "normal" job.

 

[KanyeT]

You definitely see this type of insecurity a lot in dudes. I mean, nobody wants to get cheated on I imagine...but how often do you find women saying things like 'I don't want to date a pornstar, or the village bicycle' I'd be curious to know. It seems more often that 'sexual potency' is something desirable in a dude.

The idolisation of virgins is interesting, since it's either fetish thing, or insecurity about your partner's history and experience thing. Basically those two are the only reasons for it that i can really think of, and on personal note only situation that history&experience should really worry in a relationship where you actually fancy the other person is if that history involves unfaithfulness.

Men and women are certainly a little different in their sexual preferences for each other. Women also don't want men as the village bicycle, but they don't covet virgins as men do. It's not insecurity, it's how relationships work - sexual exclusivity is a completely natural evolutionary preference. It is how humans dated each other before they were called humans. Virginity is just the natural extension of that appeal. Calling it insecurity is just a cope.

Higher body counts, for men and for women, are statistically and intuitively more likely to result in a failed long-term relationship. You could only really call it insecurity if it reaches the point where you are paranoid about your partner cheating by searching through their phone or stalking them, etc.

 

[sabanana]

That was a pretty interesting discussion you guys had based on my question. I thought I'd chip in just to say that in my case, the appeal of virginity doesn't have to do with any moral objections or insecurities as such. It is more a manifestation of my current mix of troubles with ocd and anxiety and stuff. So a straight up mental health issue (This kind of stuff flared up when I had a burn out) Now, you might ask, "wouldn't it be a good idea to work on those issues by subjecting yourself to non-virgin girls in a safe environment such as an adult game?" Yes it would... I might do that at some point.

 

[crustlord12]

Crazy conversation here, guys.

So who has the best tits in the game?

 

[DickMcFuck]

I can feel that thread purge coming.
the mods must love this thread since they have to come down here quite often to clean up useless arguments.

 

[sageproduct]

You definitely see this type of insecurity a lot in dudes. I mean, nobody wants to get cheated on I imagine...but how often do you find women saying things like 'I don't want to date a pornstar, or the village bicycle' I'd be curious to know. It seems more often that 'sexual potency' is something desirable in a dude.

This post is IRRELEVANT to the game, you are BANNED!!!!!

Also cannot agree more.

That was a pretty interesting discussion you guys had based on my question. I thought I'd chip in just to say that in my case, the appeal of virginity doesn't have to do with any moral objections or insecurities as such. It is more a manifestation of my current mix of troubles with ocd and anxiety and stuff. So a straight up mental health issue (This kind of stuff flared up when I had a burn out) Now, you might ask, "wouldn't it be a good idea to work on those issues by subjecting yourself to non-virgin girls in a safe environment such as an adult game?" Yes it would... I might do that at some point.

Nothing wrong with that brother. You know your wounds, your triggers, your darkness. Your "why's". That's dope.

Some men however, rather than facing their personal problems, externally superimpose them onto others. The problem could not possibly be within themselves...it's the promiscuous women, it's Chad, it's Tyrone, my ex-wife, it's Bill Gates, it's Donald Trump...anyone will do, the world is what's wrong, not ME.

Games like Ripples and Eternum actually teach you to accept the flaws of others, while taking a hard look at yourself. The fact that the female characters are all visually beautiful serves sort of like training wheels in helping you always see the beauty of flawed people. Never once does Orion feel inclined to blame or judge Nova for being a stalker, or does Jack feel inclined to judge Darci for being temperamental and immature, or Ms. Gilmour for being unprofessional and irresponsible.

By default you take a gracious view toward the other characters, and critical (critical, not negative) view toward self - is this player character truly brave, kind, honest? Loving? What dialogue option would the "better man" choose here?

 

[Dragon59]

Men and women are certainly a little different in their sexual preferences for each other. Women also don't want men as the village bicycle, but they don't covet virgins as men do. It's not insecurity, it's how relationships work - sexual exclusivity is a completely natural evolutionary preference. It is how humans dated each other before they were called humans. Virginity is just the natural extension of that appeal. Calling it insecurity is just a cope.

Really? Do you have a paper by a modern anthropologist or biologist to back this up?

I know many earlier biologists assumed that many birds were monogamous, then it was found that their offsprings' DNA did not match the male bird they were "pair bonding" with. If you want to take some of our closer simian relatives, the Bonobos are definitely not monogamous. One thing that does seem to shine through is that when males are in charge of a community, they seem to care for such things, but in matriarchal and those where no one gender dominates, monogamy is often the exception. There has been much to suggest that female monogamy wasn't not imposed upon human societies until after the acquisition of power that comes with agrarian society.

Pair bonding in raising offspring may have it's evolutionary advantage, but so is seeking genetic diversity. Having offspring with genetic diversity means that one's descendants are likely to be more adaptable to changing conditions.

Higher body counts, for men and for women, are statistically and intuitively more likely to result in a failed long-term relationship. You could only really call it insecurity if it reaches the point where you are paranoid about your partner cheating by searching through their phone or stalking them, etc.

Body count.
BODY COUNT?
That telegraphs so much.
That term reduces human relationships to one single activity and cheapens even that, IMHO.

 

[Dragon59]

That was a pretty interesting discussion you guys had based on my question. I thought I'd chip in just to say that in my case, the appeal of virginity doesn't have to do with any moral objections or insecurities as such. It is more a manifestation of my current mix of troubles with ocd and anxiety and stuff. So a straight up mental health issue (This kind of stuff flared up when I had a burn out) Now, you might ask, "wouldn't it be a good idea to work on those issues by subjecting yourself to non-virgin girls in a safe environment such as an adult game?" Yes it would... I might do that at some point.

I know one guy in the poly community who, when he first entered the community, felt that a woman was "unsafe" if they'd have more than six partners in their lifetime. Until he passed that number and he stopped caring about past history or current activity. Don't know if it was a factor, but he was on the Autism spectrum, what we used to call Asperger's.

This post is IRRELEVANT to the game, you are BANNED!!!!!

Also cannot agree more.


Nothing wrong with that brother. You know your wounds, your triggers, your darkness. Your "why's". That's dope.

Some men however, rather than facing their personal problems, externally superimpose them onto others. The problem could not possibly be within themselves...it's the promiscuous women, it's Chad, it's Tyrone, my ex-wife, it's Bill Gates, it's Donald Trump...anyone will do, the world is what's wrong, not ME.

Games like Ripples and Eternum actually teach you to accept the flaws of others, while taking a hard look at yourself. The fact that the female characters are all visually beautiful serves sort of like training wheels in helping you always see the beauty of flawed people. Never once does Orion feel inclined to blame or judge Nova for being a stalker, or does Jack feel inclined to judge Darci for being temperamental and immature, or Ms. Gilmour for being unprofessional and irresponsible.

By default you take a gracious view toward the other characters, and critical (critical, not negative) view toward self - is this player character truly brave, kind, honest? Loving? What dialogue option would the "better man" choose here?

I'm really tempted to put that kind of dynamic in Dirty Snowball. The player can make choices that makes things better for him, or make choices that are better for everyone around him. Some of this will be around whom to accept and whom to shun.

I'm definitely using it for my space academy game--whom the player connects with may help getting laid, or success in the academy. Some characters may help in both realms, some will be either/or.