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12 Monkeys (the film version) does this. There is a voice recording which convinces the scientists in 2035 that the Army of the 12 Monkeys is responsible for releasing the virus, and this is why Cole is looking for them when he goes back in time. This voice recording is created after he gets sent back in time, as a consequence of him being there.
It's easiest to understand if you think of it like this: in his experience, these things happened after he went back in time. But in the world's timeline that is his present, they happened in the past.
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Not on here often at the moment, but I like to check in on this and a few other threads when I can. Apologies if I am resurrecting a dead conversation but, well...
My thoughts on past/present Tiffany:
Young Tiffany already has reason to care for the MC. He saved her from being assaulted, probably saved the life of her future child, and has treated her sister with nothing but kindness and affection (and some requested and fully consensual depravity, which she may or may not know about). This is a solid basis for more intimate relations.
Tiffany does not have a boyfriend. She has an ex. There is no moral obstacle here.
I don't know if we will see something between past Tiffany and the MC in the next update, but if we did, I feel it will fit very well with her character and their relationship progression.
I understand that some people have a view of Tiffany that is based on her present relationship with the MC, where to them any difference in pace for past Tiffany would feel wrong. But this should not affect the way the story is written. It is the author's conception of the character, and whether the character's actions make sense in context of the story.
It's important to separate past Tiffany and present Tiffany, because in the context of their relationship with the MC they are different people. Young Tiffany does not have the same relationship with him as current Tiffany, so holding that relationship to the same standards is invalid. And young Tiffany getting with the MC does not change the slow build with present Tiffany in any significant way. I don't think it would affect the present other than facilitating present Tiffany's acceptance of what she wants. It's one more small nudge, not a sudden 0–100. She's still the same woman. He's still the boy she's been raising like a son. Realising that she did something with him in the past (which is almost inevitable, no matter the time it takes to get there, and from a present perspective has already happened) isn't going to change the rest of their history together.
I trust that Jestur has thought about this. He went to the trouble of rewriting part of Skylar's story to slow it down because he thought it had gone too fast. I was okay with the original speed - it seemed in character for her - but the rewrite worked as well and I have no complaints.
My thoughts on past/present Tiffany:
Young Tiffany already has reason to care for the MC. He saved her from being assaulted, probably saved the life of her future child, and has treated her sister with nothing but kindness and affection (and some requested and fully consensual depravity, which she may or may not know about). This is a solid basis for more intimate relations.
Tiffany does not have a boyfriend. She has an ex. There is no moral obstacle here.
I don't know if we will see something between past Tiffany and the MC in the next update, but if we did, I feel it will fit very well with her character and their relationship progression.
I understand that some people have a view of Tiffany that is based on her present relationship with the MC, where to them any difference in pace for past Tiffany would feel wrong. But this should not affect the way the story is written. It is the author's conception of the character, and whether the character's actions make sense in context of the story.
It's important to separate past Tiffany and present Tiffany, because in the context of their relationship with the MC they are different people. Young Tiffany does not have the same relationship with him as current Tiffany, so holding that relationship to the same standards is invalid. And young Tiffany getting with the MC does not change the slow build with present Tiffany in any significant way. I don't think it would affect the present other than facilitating present Tiffany's acceptance of what she wants. It's one more small nudge, not a sudden 0–100. She's still the same woman. He's still the boy she's been raising like a son. Realising that she did something with him in the past (which is almost inevitable, no matter the time it takes to get there, and from a present perspective has already happened) isn't going to change the rest of their history together.
I trust that Jestur has thought about this. He went to the trouble of rewriting part of Skylar's story to slow it down because he thought it had gone too fast. I was okay with the original speed - it seemed in character for her - but the rewrite worked as well and I have no complaints.
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CommanderWitcher
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Have you watched TENET? If you haven't then do it and get your mind screwed.
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Good game, it's a pity there haven't been any updates for a long time, it feels like it's been abandoned
Jestur publishes regular dev logs and they are posted here shortly after hitting SS/Patreon.
His updates are ~ 6 months + but most of us understand that his level of quality (as well as render and animation count) takes time.
The latest update was April 4, 2025 = est. 85% complete
Cheers!!
His updates are ~ 6 months + but most of us understand that his level of quality (as well as render and animation count) takes time.
The latest update was April 4, 2025 = est. 85% complete
Cheers!!
Just a small correction —
When MC first sees young Tiffany, she's being harassed by her ex, who's trying to get back together. After she rejects him, he gets more aggressive, starts throwing insults, and flips out when he realizes she's pregnant with someone else's kid.
When MC steps in to help, the ex even accuses him of being the "other guy" and the baby's father out of jealousy.
So it's not really clear that Tiffany was totally "single" with no emotional ties. The situation is a lot messier than that.
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Actually, the first time he sees "past" Tiff was when he peeped through the window at them dancing, but, yeah. Your point is good. She also didn't seem to take things too seriously, and was more of a party-girl than a serious romantic, until we (a stranger) swept in so dramatically to save her (and big sis).
Yeah, you're right — technically the first time was when he peeped through the window.
I was thinking more about their first real interaction — the moment they actually met face-to-face.
But totally agree, good catch!
Damn son now that's what I call an easter bunny
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It's very clear to me.
You might want to replay that scene. Tiffany says firmly that she wants nothing to do with Eric (her ex). He cheated on her. And as the scene continues it shows that he is violent and abusive, and anyone who knows anything about this kind of man knows this is probably not the first time. His reaction to her rejection isn't to try a romantic way to win her back, but to physically grab her and attempt to punch her.
So we have: Guy cheats on girl. Girl breaks up with him and wants nothing to do with him. Guy won't take no for an answer because he's a violent selfish possessive asshole.
Tiffany owes him nothing. They are not together. She does not want to get back together. She is by any reasonable definition single. She is free to fuck or date anyone she likes.
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That's the point, updates take time because you need time for a good game. Devs aren't Midas, although Jestur and Caribdis aren't that far away from him at this point.Good game, it's a pity there haven't been any updates for a long time, it feels like it's been abandoned
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Doctor Who (TV Series.) He met his future wife, River Song, in a previous regeneration. She deduced who he was, but couldn't tell him ... and she died in that episode. I won't mention the other plot twists ...
best timetravel story ever riversong and the doctor , it was brilliantly made.
Talishan
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Anybody else read this game name as 'Nipples' everytime they see it in their feed?
Maccabbee
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... NOW I do. Damn you.
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Hehe actually if you check Jestur profile it says below their member name "Nipples dev" so I sometimes read it like that also hahaha.
God damn it, Gump, you're a goddamn genius.
You must have a goddamn I.Q. Of 160.
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