isn't the new art (not AI, new scenes) drawn by the same guy? if so he's probably aware. doesn't make it less meh on it's own though.
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thats the thing, theyre all generic, otherwise people would be using the good ones, still the unstable diffusion discord sometimes has a super overprompted images that are less generic, check those out
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Alright, for those who prefer the old art, but still want to play the new stuff.
The images are off centre since the devs upscaled the images when doing the AI version of them. So yeah, if you're fine with that, then cool this should work. Basically the images will now look like this:
If anyone want's to go through all the images and upscale them so they will be centered properly, by all means. I'm not doing it since there's 2GB of images to alter and compare to the AI scale. I'll happily live with this.
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. Just extract this pictures folder as "pictures" and put the folder in 'Roundscape Adorevia [6.1]\www\img'.The images are off centre since the devs upscaled the images when doing the AI version of them. So yeah, if you're fine with that, then cool this should work. Basically the images will now look like this:
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If anyone want's to go through all the images and upscale them so they will be centered properly, by all means. I'm not doing it since there's 2GB of images to alter and compare to the AI scale. I'll happily live with this.
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so the new compressed hp/mp is fine and all, but mp regen is not workng for meredith (her amulet still says it restores mp, but no dice) and the templar doctorine skill also does not apply an mp regen buff as it claims... kinda painful when hp/mp DONT increase as you level... which im unsure if a bug is the cause of this, or simply a choice made by the devs... gear does add stats but ive yet to find anything that gives more mp...
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Sigh. Another one:
Overall these particular AI-pictures aren't bad, but her eyes... They are crossed and point all over.
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The hero we needed but didn't deserve! On my part, I will keep new art so I can post it here.
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Ai is the future and im here for it great artists will always have work shit artists will have to improve before they start charging for their meager talents. Porn games especially are really held back by art its just too expensive and time consuming for these tiny indie niche projects to have any ambition of scale of narrative with art constraints so strong. The Ai in this particular game is really quite good and gives the game a consistency it did not have previously however the flaws of Ai are still there the souless eyes the small but visible mistakes in anatomy.I think this is where artists can really help a project in the future if even just one artist on staff not a contractor just goes through and edits everything art output could double or tripple without any quality loss. And btw just like with writing code Ai generation is a skill and people are getting better and better at that skill.
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Thank you.
About the glass coins, I have no idea. I think they're just...there. As filler.
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Man, this is definitely one of the most unhinged takes I've ever seen. "Less Talented" artists shouldn't charge for their art and art has held back h-games. Take a step back, art is entirely subjective. "Less Talented" art can definitely be way better than more detailed art. It can make a medium more unique, have more charm, be more tailored to the characters and story they portray. Hell, consider Avatar, where my profile pic comes from. The art in that show can be considered as "Bad Art" when it comes to detail. It's simple, cartoonish, and yet holds so much charm and makes it stand out on it's own.
The major reason most people despise AI art isn't just that it takes away opportunities from real artists, whilst also stealing their work. But it creates "art" that is just soulless, riddled with continuity errors, and anatomy issues. And I'll completely debunk you right now on the idea that AI art will improve h-games. We've seen it in the games that have come out, and in this game's attempt right now. The devs use the most basic, "AI art style" that is provided with the engine. A bland, airbrushed style, which yes, you could argue is detailed. But lacks soul and character BECAUSE it's the "AI art style". If everybody uses the same art style, then you lose originality and identity. Which is essential to making your game stand out. And the majority, if not all of the AI h-games we've seen have been crap cash grabs made by devs who are too lazy to go the extra mile to fix errors, ask for a unique art style or do anything. It's basically going to, and has already, bring the h-games version of shovel-ware into the community.
It's such a bad president to allow, and accept. There are ways to do AI right, such as drawing a background and asking the AI to tweak certain aspects of it. Not just tell it to make everything from scratch and leave it at that. Artists deserve the respect they get, they MAKE the styles we come to know and love, forge the personality and charm to mediums we eagerly consume. Pretending that AI is this godsend piece of technology is flat out ignorant, and a dangerous ideology to hold. Just because something is quick and easy, does not make it good. Yes time is an important factor, but it's also something we need in order to make a product the best it can be.
"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder" as they say. Strictly speaking, there are no "great" nor "shit" artists. Only those who are more recognized. This is evident by some people on this thread who like Furanh's art, who I consider to be "shit" frankly speaking (really sorry for Furanh's fans, but it's a matter of personal taste), while I like Mikiron's, yet some don't consider him to be a "great" artist either. And both of them seem to be well-recognized. And that's fine, because it is a matter of personal taste.
And in regards to porn games being held back by art, have a look at Fleeting Iris somewhere here in F95. It's a long game with lots of content and alternative endings. They're made by Heaven Studios West, a three-person studio, who managed to mostly complete their game with only three artists or so. Sure it's a long and arduous journey, but they have proven that it is possible.
And in regards to this, the only reason artists are struggling is because they are taken for granted and not appreciated enough. Yet in real life, when shit hits the fan, artists are one of the first people to receive them. Take for example during the war, you think the Nazis burned the paintings of Picasso and humiliated other artists (i.e. The Degenerate Art Exhibition 1937) for no apparent reason? It's because they deemed those works to go against the ideals they were trying to establish.
And earning a name for yourself in the art world is already a challenge in itself. You'll be surprised but there's some politics involved in making a name for yourself, pulling favors here and there, making connections as early as possible. It's easy for you to say that we are struggling, but the reality is that YOU, my good sir, only need to look in the mirror to know why.
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the perk that should add +10 agility is bugged at the moment, it takes the 1000 gold but it does absolutely nothing
So, AI is really good but an artist has to clean up the mess caused by AI ?
The real question for me is : why would I pay for a work done by AI ? If it is so cheap and so easy, the subscription fees should be reduced then ? It sounds like a race to the bottom with generic works with no value over time. Even a "mediocre" artist can produce art which has soul.
You seem to avoid the fact that these pictures are soulless and that hurts anyone who is willing to pay. I pay for Tsukinomizu project games because their art is unique. Is it good ? Someone might disagree, even if I like it, and they will have some rational reasons.
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This is extremely bad take!
Artists learn and improve from what they draw. Look at how Incase or Sabu, or any other great porn artist began - they early works don't hold a candle to what they draw now. If we replace newbie artists with AI under pretext of them drawing shit, there won't be great artists. Because every artist has to learn by practise, which is much harder (perhaprs even impossible) to perform without monetary backing from comissions. And if AI will replace those low-tier comissions, there would be less artists practicing and in the end - less great artists. The result would be exact opposite to your hopes.
AI-pictures in this particular game in most cases are bad. They have lot of glaring anatomical mistakes, overuse of glint or blur, miscoloration and odd expression that do not fit the scene they portray or even how any sentient creature should express their emotion. Characters often look unfocused, cross-eyed, with unreadable expressions like they are in drug-altered state of mind. You could easily check it yourself if you search for my posts here because I regularly post my findings. Its not a question of taste - most of AI-imagery has low quality.
And calling figuring AI input a skill like it is compatible in any way with actual art is laughable. Yes, it is technically a skill, akin to a skill of being polite to a pizzeria you are ordering pizza from versus being good at baking pizza yourself. To call something so comparatively triffling a skill is offense against actual skills that take many times the time and effort than figuring out the inputs. Any regular activity could be called a skill by the wide definition of this term, but people usually abstain from using this word this way because it is insignificant compared to something that takes more time and effort to master.
No, I am sorry, your take is indefensible to me.
My own opinion, in case you wonder, isn't at all anti-AI (which you can also prove by searching for my earlier messages here). AI is a tool - groundbreakingly great and greatly groundbreaking. One that takes time to figure out, one that has limitless potential and one that does a huge work on expanding our creative horizons.
That is, if used rightly.
Using it to propell forward cool project that struggles to find or finance artists - is a great way to use AI. This is, however, isn't such an example.
Devs here are people with time, money and experience to work with actual artists - that we should support if only because of inter-human solidarity, in my opinion. What they did is unsystematically replaced already existing art of variable quality with AI art that in most cases is provably worse - many arguments was made in this thread against it, when people pointed out objective and glaring downsides. What we see here isn't a call from the future, its a greedy and lazy corner-cutting.
Again, I am not against using the AI. One thing is when dev need a ton of new art fast or cheap and therefore uses AI to achieve this result. Another is when established dev team of one of the biggest porngame projects with financial backing from many fans uses AI to just threw away tons of already existing pictures seemingly at random. Not adding something new to the game -wasting time and effort to throw away what already was, regardless of its quality.
I have no idea how you can be apologetic of this.
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Well, you can sell them for 250 gold each, so extra currency, perhaps? Like all those Souls of Nameless Soldiers from Dark Souls, that you can pop-up when you need souls ASAP?
Though I am reluctant to sell them not knowing what they are for.