RPGM Completed Roundscape Adorevia [v6.8 Steam] [Arvus Games]

[Kusarii]

We can speculate about the reason behind AI for ages and won't come to conclusion since we would struggle hard to actually prove our point beyond mere speculations. I, personally, do not believe it was to give an idea - how would anyone even create a technology (that no doubt has a lot of money behind its development) just to inspire? The reason behind any action usually lies in material plane. In case of AI it is hard no to see that it could replace some of existing artworks - while not paying artists for comissions. And this, I believe. is the real reason why AI-generators were created to begin with - to allow dirt-cheap mass-production of simpler pictures.

They are not tools of inspiration, but of simple greed. And I fail to see how it could be otherwise. Honestly, I find your notion of giving artist ideas naive, no offense. Call me a pessimist, if you like, I am who I am.

And do please stop telling me and other people to "please shut up" - we have all the rights and reasons in the world to complain.



Nice move with labeling your opponents boomers. But the point is - many of those people, me included, complain about AI stuff not just because of the stuff itself, though most of the replacement pictures suck - plain and simple. No, we complain about AI stuff because we have an established game with big financial backing trying to cut corners, even when it was not needed (some replaced pictures were actually good; and they had money so why not pay artists).

We complain about greedy and nonsensical behaviour on devs' part. AI is just one of the ways said behaviour shows itself.


And to give credit when credit is due - I support the idea of using AI-stuff as a template or draft that would be used to test ideas or be worked upon by actual artist. I am not against AI, because I see it for what it is (at least I hope so) - a tool that could be used in many ways for many purposes. A revolutionary tool that greatly expands our creative horizons and give the ability to create something, albeit in "ordering pie instead of baking it" way, to people who'd otherwise never create anything.

But for fucks sake, what devs did to Roundscape isn't an example of how AI-stuff should be used! They've clearly cut corners with it, and not in a reasonable manner, since there is little if any method to what they've replaced. Using AI to add more new content is one thing, wasting your time and effort to replace what already was with AI that does little to no noticeable improvement while adding tons of new defects is wholly another thing. They didn't bother to polish generated images, leaving them with off-putting facial expressions, strange glint all over and glaring anatomical mistakes.

The quality of replacement images is low. That is not a matter of perspective or opinion, since many people in this thread pointed out specific and major mistakes AI have made. The quality is verifiably low.


I won't ask anyone to stop being apologetic to shit, I have no right to tell you what to do. I will just say that no matter how apologetic you get, the shit still smells.

This is funny and I am a BIG critic of AI as well as NFTs and they follow the same logic. NFTs are literally the same image in many cases just varied in a slight way to make a quick cash grab. I say this to people all the time now apply this to books, comics, etc. Not ONLY that it is going to be impossible to tell what they AI gets fed into its program. What does this mean as well? Say you are a musician/artist who makes money off royalties/copyrights. That is now out the window. It is why I was skeptical of Discord when they said they "owned all rights to everything on their servers and could use people's conversations for their AI." People obviously flew into an uproar.

Is what I said to rile everyone up... in some ways. But let us also remember we already have something like this going around already before this that is semi recent, 3d printers. People who got tired of miniature companies such as Games Workshop or Battletech when they decided to A) Gauge the prices or B) Discontinue certain miniatures because of the political landscape. So what did people decide to do? "Necessity is the mother of invention." Plato. They decided to make their own miniatures, not necessarily to sell but to use. This can be used in many other cases. So people want to ban 3d printers? Some do. Some countries try to regulate it and fail miserably. I keep referring people to Prohibition and this site is another example.

What does this mean? AI is here to stay much like DLC, NFTs and those good loot boxes. People will still pay for the product when you do not. If that was not the case DLC/loot boxes would have vanished ages ago. I honestly think people will eventually pay a premium to actually see someone do art and pay for it or make music. It will eventually be the only way to prove its not AI generated/printed.

 

[GrandPaBrowning]

This is funny and I am a BIG critic of AI as well as NFTs and they follow the same logic. NFTs are literally the same image in many cases just varied in a slight way to make a quick cash grab. I say this to people all the time now apply this to books, comics, etc. Not ONLY that it is going to be impossible to tell what they AI gets fed into its program. What does this mean as well? Say you are a musician/artist who makes money off royalties/copyrights. That is now out the window. It is why I was skeptical of Discord when they said they "owned all rights to everything on their servers and could use people's conversations for their AI." People obviously flew into an uproar.

Is what I said to rile everyone up... in some ways. But let us also remember we already have something like this going around already before this that is semi recent, 3d printers. People who got tired of miniature companies such as Games Workshop or Battletech when they decided to A) Gauge the prices or B) Discontinue certain miniatures because of the political landscape. So what did people decide to do? "Necessity is the mother of invention." Plato. They decided to make their own miniatures, not necessarily to sell but to use. This can be used in many other cases. So people want to ban 3d printers? Some do. Some countries try to regulate it and fail miserably. I keep referring people to Prohibition and this site is another example.

What does this mean? AI is here to stay much like DLC, NFTs and those good loot boxes. People will still pay for the product when you do not. If that was not the case DLC/loot boxes would have vanished ages ago. I honestly think people will eventually pay a premium to actually see someone do art and pay for it or make music. It will eventually be the only way to prove its not AI generated/printed.

Absolutely agree on the last paragraph. AI is quickly becoming a part of our life, for better or worse. Being so versatile and useful tool, it will stay and it will not be cancelled - people tend to not cancel what actually works. There is demand for artworks, AI somewhat covers it - and that is enough reason for it to stay.

However, 3d-printing is wrong analogy. It exists in much smaller niche that is virtually non-existant compared to the world of AI-drawn pictures. The companies touched by 3d-printing the most are quite few and far between. AI-generators have touched an entire plane of artistry.

I am not sure we ever had something like current AI-situation, so I don't think analogies would work. (honestly, I don't like analogy-based arguments altogether - they often fall flat because in practise clean analogy is extreme rarity. But sometimes they help highlight certain details)

 

[Flutewind]

We can speculate about the reason behind AI for ages and won't come to conclusion since we would struggle hard to actually prove our point beyond mere speculations. I, personally, do not believe it was to give an idea - how would anyone even create a technology (that no doubt has a lot of money behind its development) just to inspire? The reason behind any action usually lies in material plane. In case of AI it is hard no to see that it could replace some of existing artworks - while not paying artists for comissions. And this, I believe. is the real reason why AI-generators were created to begin with - to allow dirt-cheap mass-production of simpler pictures.

They are not tools of inspiration, but of simple greed. And I fail to see how it could be otherwise. Honestly, I find your notion of giving artist ideas naive, no offense. Call me a pessimist, if you like, I am who I am.

And do please stop telling me and other people to "please shut up" - we have all the rights and reasons in the world to complain.



Nice move with labeling your opponents boomers. But the point is - many of those people, me included, complain about AI stuff not just because of the stuff itself, though most of the replacement pictures suck - plain and simple. No, we complain about AI stuff because we have an established game with big financial backing trying to cut corners, even when it was not needed (some replaced pictures were actually good; and they had money so why not pay artists).

We complain about greedy and nonsensical behaviour on devs' part. AI is just one of the ways said behaviour shows itself.


And to give credit when credit is due - I support the idea of using AI-stuff as a template or draft that would be used to test ideas or be worked upon by actual artist. I am not against AI, because I see it for what it is (at least I hope so) - a tool that could be used in many ways for many purposes. A revolutionary tool that greatly expands our creative horizons and give the ability to create something, albeit in "ordering pie instead of baking it" way, to people who'd otherwise never create anything.

But for fucks sake, what devs did to Roundscape isn't an example of how AI-stuff should be used! They've clearly cut corners with it, and not in a reasonable manner, since there is little if any method to what they've replaced. Using AI to add more new content is one thing, wasting your time and effort to replace what already was with AI that does little to no noticeable improvement while adding tons of new defects is wholly another thing. They didn't bother to polish generated images, leaving them with off-putting facial expressions, strange glint all over and glaring anatomical mistakes.

The quality of replacement images is low. That is not a matter of perspective or opinion, since many people in this thread pointed out specific and major mistakes AI have made. The quality is verifiably low.


I won't ask anyone to stop being apologetic to shit, I have no right to tell you what to do. I will just say that no matter how apologetic you get, the shit still smells.

I whole-heartedly agree. Using AI is a greed-motivated move in this case. If the devs had used AI, and then employed actual artists to polish and fix the many outrageous mistakes in the art as have been shown in this thread many, many times, we probably wouldn't even notice that it was AI. We definitely wouldn't protest or complain.

 

[drdog]

What mod? and what version of the game do you have?

mod 6.0, game 6.0 doesnt work

 

[GrandPaBrowning]

I am in ActI, just arrived to Elven Forest. And I see this message pop-up twice:

Camilla is new companion recruitable in ActII. Of course, she is not in my party and thus there is no way her stats should be affected.

So yeah, another day, another bug.

 

[GrandPaBrowning]

I whole-heartedly agree. Using AI is a greed-motivated move in this case. If the devs had used AI, and then employed actual artists to polish and fix the many outrageous mistakes in the art as have been shown in this thread many, many times, we probably wouldn't even notice that it was AI. We definitely wouldn't protest or complain.

Exactly! I even suspect some of porn artists out there are doing it already, not announcing it yet. But leaving the pictures as is, with all the many mistakes, is very wrong.

 

[Flutewind]

To the forum member who pointed out Rulwe's Dicktatles of Growth, I apologize for saying Rulwe is useless. No, Rulwe is now the most OP party member in early game. Whether the Dicktatles of Growth can actually keep up remains to be seen though.

 

[petrucho228]

This happens when i encounter with any enemy. Any solution?

 

[hfhfmqdegojibfibof]

So I updated to 6.1 and now my perk tree is just gone. The fuck kind of spaghetti code did the devs write for this game?

 

[Flutewind]

Exactly! I even suspect some of porn artists out there are doing it already, not announcing it yet. But leaving the pictures as is, with all the many mistakes, is very wrong.

Perhaps so. But fixing them would, for the devs, cost money, which is the very reason they're resorting to AI in the first place. One notable thing AI doesn't get right is the color of sperm, which is usually piss-yellow for some reason (I've seen this in Taffy Tales as well, so I think AI just doesn't understand that sperm should be white).

 

[GrandPaBrowning]

To the forum member who pointed out Rulwe's Dicktatles of Growth, I apologize for saying Rulwe is useless. No, Rulwe is now the most OP party member in early game. Whether the Dicktatles of Growth can actually keep up remains to be seen though.

They grow by a few percent for each fight won. Go to Oakshire, to the north, to huntress' cabin. Kill two packs of wolves, enter and exit the cabin to respawn the wolves. Don't bother with the third wolf up-top, because it just a time-waste. Rince and repeat until in half an hour you will have 200+ hp 100+ dmg murderfuck-machine Rulwe.

I don't think the strength of the enemies matter to the dicktacles.

 

[CyberCy616]

We can speculate about the reason behind AI for ages and won't come to conclusion since we would struggle hard to actually prove our point beyond mere speculations. I, personally, do not believe it was to give an idea - how would anyone even create a technology (that no doubt has a lot of money behind its development) just to inspire? The reason behind any action usually lies in material plane. In case of AI it is hard no to see that it could replace some of existing artworks - while not paying artists for comissions. And this, I believe. is the real reason why AI-generators were created to begin with - to allow dirt-cheap mass-production of simpler pictures.

They are not tools of inspiration, but of simple greed. And I fail to see how it could be otherwise. Honestly, I find your notion of giving artist ideas naive, no offense. Call me a pessimist, if you like, I am who I am.

And do please stop telling me and other people to "please shut up" - we have all the rights and reasons in the world to complain.



Nice move with labeling your opponents boomers. But the point is - many of those people, me included, complain about AI stuff not just because of the stuff itself, though most of the replacement pictures suck - plain and simple. No, we complain about AI stuff because we have an established game with big financial backing trying to cut corners, even when it was not needed (some replaced pictures were actually good; and they had money so why not pay artists).

We complain about greedy and nonsensical behaviour on devs' part. AI is just one of the ways said behaviour shows itself.


And to give credit when credit is due - I support the idea of using AI-stuff as a template or draft that would be used to test ideas or be worked upon by actual artist. I am not against AI, because I see it for what it is (at least I hope so) - a tool that could be used in many ways for many purposes. A revolutionary tool that greatly expands our creative horizons and give the ability to create something, albeit in "ordering pie instead of baking it" way, to people who'd otherwise never create anything.

But for fucks sake, what devs did to Roundscape isn't an example of how AI-stuff should be used! They've clearly cut corners with it, and not in a reasonable manner, since there is little if any method to what they've replaced. Using AI to add more new content is one thing, wasting your time and effort to replace what already was with AI that does little to no noticeable improvement while adding tons of new defects is wholly another thing. They didn't bother to polish generated images, leaving them with off-putting facial expressions, strange glint all over and glaring anatomical mistakes.

The quality of replacement images is low. That is not a matter of perspective or opinion, since many people in this thread pointed out specific and major mistakes AI have made. The quality is verifiably low.


I won't ask anyone to stop being apologetic to shit, I have no right to tell you what to do. I will just say that no matter how apologetic you get, the shit still smells.

Ok yes you give really good points that's what I wanted to start not defending AI "art" it is shit. What I hate is when people say it's bad but don't give any real reason so I call them Boomers all complaint no reason.

 

[GrandPaBrowning]

Perhaps so. But fixing them would, for the devs, cost money, which is the very reason they're resorting to AI in the first place. One notable thing AI doesn't get right is the color of sperm, which is usually piss-yellow for some reason (I've seen this in Taffy Tales as well, so I think AI just doesn't understand that sperm should be white).

To be fair, some hentai artists too draw sperm with yellowish hue.

Also, funny to see a well-paid game cutting cost-corners.

 

[GrandPaBrowning]

Ok yes you give really good points that's what I wanted to start not defending AI "art" it is shit. What I hate is when people say it's bad but don't give any real reason so I call them Boomers all complaint no reason.

Glad the mutual understanding is reached. We could use more of it, lol.

I don't hate AI-generators because its hard to hate a tool. I simply hate when people use any tool as a bludgeon. You know, as saying goes somewhere like that: with hammer in hand you start to see every problem as a nail for smiting. No and no, as any tool it takes certain finesse to be utilized effectively. Bruteforcing sucks and usually creates more problems than it solves - what we see here as well.

 

[CyberCy616]

Glad the mutual understanding is reached. We could use more of it, lol.

You as well. Now i'll wait 2 weeks of bug fixes then download play it and have a really awkward wank to it. I really need a GF/BF

 

[GrandPaBrowning]

So I updated to 6.1 and now my perk tree is just gone. The fuck kind of spaghetti code did the devs write for this game?

Thank you for the forewarning. I will lay off installing the new version for now.

 

[CyberCy616]

So I updated to 6.1 and now my perk tree is just gone. The fuck kind of spaghetti code did the devs write for this game?

Close to Simbro spaghetti.

 

[SGrimmer]

I am in ActI, just arrived to Elven Forest. And I see this message pop-up twice:
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Camilla is new companion recruitable in ActII. Of course, she is not in my party and thus there is no way her stats should be affected.

So yeah, another day, another bug.

At least it's a bug in our favour for once.

 

[petrucho228]

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This happens when i encounter with any enemy. Any solution?

nvm, problem disappears after sleep

 

[Sephrioth]

so i guess getting better stats are now bind on items? is there a merchant for int? the witch north of orkshire only sell items for hp,mp, atk and def.