rpdl.net discussion & questions (torrents)

[RPDL]

You're insisting that I have to check the even though that was never the issue after you stopped tampering with releases.

If it was never the issue, why did you bring it up three seperate times in just this conversation?

I get it, you don't like me. But you need to pull on your big boy pants and get over it.

 

[fyl3toys]

That's somehow worse.

You gotta hit rock bottom before you can bounce back ya know

 

[c3p0]

But but but the policy is for our benefit dontchaknow?

He has his opinion, I have mine. If I use a standard saying about opinion, I might overstep some boundaries, so I refrain from it.

 

[Daxter250]

You're insisting that I have to check the even though that was never the issue after you stopped tampering with releases.

i always hear that crap about tempering files but never seen any proof. all that is done is: we download the games from YOUR links, unpack em, scan em, repack em with compression lvl 9 and send em off.

to finish it off, stuff gets a hash file.

 

[redknight00]

If it was never the issue, why did you bring it up three seperate times in just this conversation?

Because you said knowledge of the registration is not enough.

I get it, you don't like me. But you need to pull on your big boy pants and get over it.

The irony is I argued in favor of restoring this thread after it was deleted.

If it was personal I would have solved it by making Epic World 3 starring you and Trump.

 

[baloneysammich]

The irony is I argued in favor of restoring this thread after it was deleted.

If it was personal I would have solved it by making Epic World 3 starring you and Trump.

I don't support his behaviour there, but I think he's frustrated because you misunderstand him so often that it almost seems intentional.

 

[redknight00]

i always hear that crap about tempering files but never seen any proof. all that is done is: we download the games from YOUR links, unpack em, scan em, repack em with compression lvl 9 and send em off.

to finish it off, stuff gets a hash file.

That was a fact that rpdl used to modify releases early on to make them work on multiply systems, adding extra files to dev releases and causing users and developers to be suspicious.

The repacking is less than ideal, since it no longer SHA1 matches the official releases, but at least something we can work with.

 

[RPDL]

Because you said knowledge of the registration is not enough.


The irony is I argued in favor of restoring this thread after it was deleted.

If it was personal I would have solved it by making Epic World 3 starring you and Trump.

Cheers, seeing as this thread didn't break any rules I'm not sure why it was deleted in the first place but yeah.

You can't simultaneously hold it against me that "you used to modify files" while at the same time saying you'd be happy for us to join the upload team. You either trust our files or you don't, they're free for anyone to look at and inspect - even the old ones that were modified. In retrospect I shouldn't have done it but I was trying to be accomodating so nobody would miss out.

Live and learn, mistakes happen. I'll probably be tarred with that brush forever. On the same hand, everything is already out there for people to inspect if they're cautious and not one person has ever found anything of substance.

And yes, it is frustrating dealing with you because it feels like you're constantly being disingenuous. You'll dangle out a claim or concern, but never follow up when I address it. You pick and choose the parts you answer to. I'm still fairly sure were at best mistaken or at worst lying when you said my comment was re-instated "minutes afterwards", which then changed to "hours afterwards". I'm fairly sure you reinstated it yourself when I brought it up but hey, I can't prove anything.

Like I said a few pages ago, this topic is done to death - unless there's anything new that I'm missing we're just waiting for Sams input so we can put this to rest and move on.

 

[fasteddie]

So I'm confused about something in this conversation. If you're concerned about registration because it's a privacy concern for users, since you can use a fake email address and whatever username and password you want then how does that make sense? It's not like you'd use your F95 login because you'd be a moron and if you're concerned about IP logging or torrent genre tracking then use a VPN. Honestly I use a VPN for the Mega shit anyway because of their download restrictions.

You can't tell me that the majority of people here don't register for less with like a spam account to get their rocks off. The hilarious aspect of this to me is that the registration isn't gatekeeped by approval or anything, anyone can do it in less than 30 seconds. But since the torrent tracker authorization from the account expires, leech sites can't just distribute the torrent file to everyone they want. I think that's a reasonable approach to ensure that the bandwidth isn't being misused. But hey like it was mentioned before, if F95 wanted to pick up the server costs then I'm sure rpdl would be more than willing to make it open again.

 

[redknight00]

users to be suspicious aha. care to show em for me? or are these your second accounts? for making games cross platform compatible... to see it now on the same level as malicious tempering. yup,... good job, guys!

the amount of headaches i get from you are beyond imagination...

we will just do it like rpdl said.

thats not even true, lmao xD
you often take leaks from users who were so nice to upload it for you. i sometimes did it too and guess what, i unpacked em, scanned em and repacked em with 7zip. dam dam daaaaam.

Check the first few pages in this thread.

We never said it was malicious but suspicious to users. If we thought any malicious tampering had occurred rpdl and his service would have been permabanned on day one.

You can't simultaneously hold it against me that "you used to modify files" while at the same time saying you'd be happy for us to join the upload team. You either trust our files or you don't, they're free for anyone to look at and inspect - even the old ones that were modified. In retrospect I shouldn't have done it but I was trying to be accomodating so nobody would miss out.

Again, we don't trust any outsiders, we use their service if it's within out guidelines. Becoming an uploader is certainly a process to gain trust, as one is required to abide by all of our rules to become one, even then I only brought it up because people brought it up.

And yes, it is frustrating dealing with you because it feels like you're constantly being disingenuous. You'll dangle out a claim or concern, but never follow up when I address it. You pick and choose the parts you answer to. I'm still fairly sure were at best mistaken or at worst lying when you said my comment was re-instated "minutes afterwards", which then changed to "hours afterwards". I'm fairly sure you reinstated it yourself when I brought it up but hey, I can't prove anything.

Because a deleted post doesn't mean jack-shit and there are more important things to talk about, but if you absolutely must know:

You're not getting a name tho, that's moderators' business.

So I'm confused about something in this conversation. If you're concerned about registration because it's a privacy concern for users, since you can use a fake email address and whatever username and password you want then how does that make sense? It's not like you'd use your F95 login because you'd be a moron and if you're concerned about IP logging or torrent genre tracking then use a VPN. Honestly I use a VPN for the Mega shit anyway because of their download restrictions.

You can't tell me that the majority of people here don't register for less with like a spam account to get their rocks off. The hilarious aspect of this to me is that the registration isn't gatekeeped by approval or anything, anyone can do it in less than 30 seconds. But since the torrent tracker authorization from the account expires, leech sites can't just distribute the torrent file to everyone they want. I think that's a reasonable approach to ensure that the bandwidth isn't being misused. But hey like it was mentioned before, if F95 wanted to pick up the server costs then I'm sure rpdl would be more than willing to make it open again.

We have to force users to not compromised accounts, trust me, they will try. But that's not the point, the point is we can't approve a host that requires it, this site was built on trust and we want to keep it that way.

It's perfectly reasonable to ask for registration from a service point of view, but it means we will no longer be able to use it, it's happened before and will happen again with hosts that can't handle the bandwidth. As for picking up the tab, that way above me, but I'll just go ahead and say that it would never happen unless the service was under our control, so we could ensure it follows the rules and won't go away if the owners decides to convert to real girls porn.

 

[RPDL]

Check the first few pages in this thread.

We never said it was malicious but suspicious to users. If we thought any malicious tampering had occurred rpdl and his service would have been permabanned on day one.


Again, we don't trust any outsiders, we use their service if it's within out guidelines. Becoming an uploader is certainly a process to gain trust, as one is required to abide by all of our rules to become one, even then I only brought it up because people brought it up.

Instead of throwing around words like that maybe you should actually do the bare minimum and inspect the files yourself?

This is how you found out about dropmefiles right?

Because a deleted post doesn't mean jack-shit and there are more important things to talk about, but if you absolutely must know:

You're not getting a name tho, that's moderators' business.

I guess the timezones mix up because I asked about it ~3 hours afterwards and it was deleted.

Besides the point, deleted comments don't mean much to you but they mean something to users especially when 1) there was nothing wrong with the comment at all and 2) there was no notification sent either.

 

[baloneysammich]

So I'm confused about something in this conversation. If you're concerned about registration because it's a privacy concern for users, since you can use a fake email address and whatever username and password you want then how does that make sense?

Your confusion is understandable. All that really matters is that the site requires registration. The staffs' concerns and suspicions are not actually up for discussion, we just have to accept them. And in the end, nothing we say here matters because user opinion will probably have no bearing on the final decision:

We really can't relly on users to make decisions for the site, else we would be a MEGA only site and ban all NTR games.

 

[Meaning Less]

Why would you expect users to register before downloading? every torrent platform I used that required registration was because they wanted to control and ban people that aren't seeding, but if you expect people to seed you shouldn't be creating torrents out of incomplete versions of games in the first place that are bound to be forgotten next week/month, most people won't seed those.

In my opinion torrents should be focused exclusively to completed games, those are the ones that would benefit from torrents because mirrors usually start dying after longer periods of time but the torrent can find more seeders as it goes, and the more platforms that share the same link to your torrents the more possible seeders are going to keep it alive.

 

[RPDL]

Why would you expect users to register before downloading? every torrent platform I used that required registration was because they wanted to control and ban people that aren't seeding, but if you expect people to seed you shouldn't be creating torrents out of incomplete versions of games in the first place that are bound to be forgotten next week/month, most people won't seed those.

In my opinion torrents should be focused exclusively to completed games, those are the ones that would benefit from torrents because mirrors usually start dying after longer periods of time but the torrent can find more seeders as it goes, and the more platforms where your torrents are shared the more possible seeders are going to keep it alive.

I've explained it a few times already, here's the most recent one which probably summarizes it best.

I don't expect anyone to seed at all. People choose to because they want to give back. We use our donations to rent servers to seed the torrents for people, there's no actual need for anybody to seed if they don't want to - and we don't enforce any kind of seeding rules either. I'm not really sure where you got that part from?

Limiting it to completed games only is completely missing the point. If we lived in a world where people only wanted completed games sure, but we don't. Like, we always seed the most recent version of a game until it receives its next update, then we swap to the next one or if the game is completed/abandoned, then it just stays at the most recent version.

I think your expectation from torrents just differs from how other people are using them? Maybe, I'm not sure.

 

[Meaning Less]

If we lived in a world where people only wanted completed games sure, but we don't

But in the world we live there are no issues with recently released games, they always have plenty of mirrors that should appease to anyone's desires and local limitations which makes me always go for a mirror first even if there is a torrent link available only because I don't want to leech something without necessity.

But on the other hand there are plenty of older games where there is only 1 slow mirror left (sometimes 0) and in those cases a torrent would be more than welcome. That's when torrents turn really helpful in my opinion.

In fact if your torrents don't require login you could also share them on sukubei for jap games and on tbp for western games and you would even have more exposition and possible seeders in the future which wouldn't require you to rent so many servers just to appease to a mob of leechers that comes with short term torrents.

 

[RPDL]

But in the world we live there are no issues with recently released games, they always have plenty of mirrors that should appease to anyone's desires and local limitations which makes me always go for a mirror first, even if there is a torrent link available only because I don't want to leech something without necessity.

But on the other hand there are plenty of older games where there is only 1 slow mirror left (sometimes 0) and in those cases a torrent would be more than welcome. That's when torrents turn really helpful in my opinion.

In fact if your torrents don't require login you could also share them on sukubei for jap games and on tbp for western games and you would even have more exposition and possible seeders in the future which wouldn't require you to rent so many servers just to appease to a mob of leechers that comes with short term torrents.

This is an argument I've seen other people make before but you're missing some really important context.

Just because you or I can download games as soon as they release from X filehost doesn't mean everyone else can. Other people might live in completely different countries, access to the filehosts might even be blocked. Maybe they have daily transfer limits. There's a whole bunch of stuff you need to consider. Just because you don't need torrents, doesn't mean nobody does and it's important to remember that. I did a survey maybe a month or two ago and I asked "how are speeds to your country/continent" and Brazil and Argentina had the highest turnout, followed with India and Bangladesh.

With that said, while I can download from day1 off mega at ~30mbps, I can also download the game from our torrents at ~80mbps. Games are getting bigger and bigger, speed matters and the ability to pause/resume transfers matters too.

Anyways, my goal wasn't ever to disperse these torrents far and wide. For one, it'd (possibly/probably) open up a whole other bunch of legal issues. If I control the site and someone asks me to not torrent their game, I don't - we have a no-movement list that has two games on it already. If I'd previously made a torrent, I delete it - I obviously can't stop people from sharing that same torrent afterwards but that's just how bittorrent works. My goal was to provide an alternative, fast download option for people on F95Zone, nobody else. It's where I get my content, it's where I've made a bunch of friends, simple.

 

[Meaning Less]

With that said, while I can download from day1 off mega at ~30mbps, I can also download the game from our torrents at ~80mbps. Games are getting bigger and bigger, speed matters and the ability to pause/resume transfers matters too.

Well this is true because people probably aren't using it as much as of now (most uploaders don't post a torrent link from the get go), that's the thing, torrent speeds are great as long as the number of leechers is balanced.
I believe that if everyone actually started using torrent as their first option than speeds would be heavily affected, especially for things like adult games where there is a massive download peak at release day.

Personally I like torrents for their logevity and peer 2 peer aspects. But all of this starts being washed down if the only thing users are worried about are download speeds from a single dedicated seeder.

My goal was to provide an alternative, fast download option for people on F95Zone, nobody else. It's where I get my content, it's where I've made a bunch of friends, simple.

Even f95 uploaders get their content from other platforms quite frequently, so unless you are actually working with them I feel like you shouldn't be limiting yourself to here.

The more platforms we have sharing adult games the merrier imo.

 

[RPDL]

Even f95 uploaders get their content from other platforms quite frequently, so unless you are actually working with them I feel like you shouldn't be limiting yourself to here.

The more platforms we have sharing adult games the merrier imo.

If other platforms follow the same MO as F95zone, then I'd maybe be open to it? Honestly, I just decided day1 that this was who I was going to saddle up with as I was already posting here anyway. All the other sites I see that provide downloads, are simply re-offering the same links and updates that are posted here with one big difference - they're plastering their site with popups. Or I guess to be blunt, they're for profit. I'm not trying to sound preachy or anything but I do have principles that I stick to and being the vehicle for another site to profit off - I won't allow it, simple.

For example, I could post the torrents I make to empornium, but I just choose not to. There's too much work involved as I'd need to accompany it with screenshots and information etc. Posting them here, or on my site I avoid all that and instead just link to the thread here because that's where all the info already is.

Look at it another way, say you had a hobby encoding movies and uploading them and you found a community of 50-100 people who did the same, or just enjoyed watching what you uploaded. Say you accepted donations to speed up encoding, or just to transfer the files faster. Sounds great right? Then one day you find out there's a couple of users that are taking what you do (for free) and make money off it. It might annoy you, it might not - but it does annoy me. If you had the tools available to stop those users from profiting off your work and from the fruits of other peoples donations, would you do it?

 

[Meaning Less]

Then one day you find out there's a couple of users that are taking what you do (for free) and make money off it. It might annoy you, it might not - but it does annoy me. If you had the tools available to stop those users from profiting off you, would you do it?

But by making torrents easily available wouldn't you minimize the possibility of someone making money out what you are creating? That way most users will go directly to your torrents instead of wasting time on platforms that hide their stuff behind adfly links or paywalls.

Hell, even F95 is behind in some cases like koikatsu sunshine, they are linking to the old r2.2 file for a while but nyaa already has the

You must be registered to see the links

available. Why? because most people are probably going directly to nyaa when they can.

 

[RPDL]

But by making torrents easily available wouldn't you minimize the possibility of someone making money out what you are creating? That way most users will go directly to your torrents instead of wasting time on platforms that hide their stuff behind adfly links or paywalls.

Hell, even F95 is behind in some cases like koikatsu sunshine, they are linking to the old r2.2 file for a while but nyaa already has the

You must be registered to see the links

available. Why? because most people are probably going directly to nyaa when they can.

You're probably right, but don't forget that nyaa is also non profit - they don't run ads and they're also 100% open source. We have seen substantial growth too in the period that we haven't been posting our torrents here. Word spreads I guess. I'm happy with it sure, but I'd still like to contribute back to this community. I've been trying for ~3 months for permission to post here, it's not an off the cuff thing

Try swap nyaa with one of the numerous sites that just repost content added to this site. Then disable your adblocker and visit the site again and if you manage to find just one that doesn't have explicit ads, or a popup/popunder or worse, K2S or florenfile links, then I'll be very surprised.

As a note also, I linked you to my previous comment when we started and in it I included one example of just one site that rehosted just one of our torrents. Being entirely public is the exact opposite of minimizing abuse, it just magnifies it x10.

It's important to remember too that this isn't just about our servers or about the torrents themselves. It's about our users and the users here on F95Zone that are also seeding files. Their bandwidth too is being exploited by these sites.
In a perfect world everyone would be in it for the content and this wouldn't be an issue. Fact is, that's just not how things are - a line has to be drawn somewhere and this is where I've decided to draw it.

Thanks for the heads up with r4 btw, I was at r3.