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well 1st you need to get money to train and buy supplies and armory before starting journey so normal rpg and when got extra time chase some skirts.
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yes, thats bad. You want kelly or marika because they're better cooks and fighters.
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you can invite all girls on 1st trip ("sis" wants to stay home) but to be on safe side you might wanna get marika and genni as your companions, rest will catch you up.
have you done all tasks with them?
STuRoK9
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It's been a while since I played most the story. I've done everything possible before leaving, I'm pretty sure. I remember now having the option to choose who I brought and I picked Genni.
Are you saying I could have brought both Genni and Marika?
Glad to hear the others will catch up to me. I was considering going way back, but that would be so much time wasted.
Are you saying I could have brought both Genni and Marika?
Glad to hear the others will catch up to me. I was considering going way back, but that would be so much time wasted.
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three is company and rest besides "sister", rest girls will leave shortly after mc, warrior woman and thief have left and meet 1st group on 1st town (well they arrived 1st).
you could have asked that shopgirl too to join instead marika or genni.
reidanota
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The painting sessions with Johnny could result in something more for the MC, so it doesn't feel like you're being double-scammed - you're paying him, and you're getting girls for him and letting him corrupt them, only playing a supporting role. If you catch Johnny and Kelly together, you could have the option to leverage it smartly and use your advantage to convince him that you can bring him models and let him paint them however he likes, but they're off-limits to him outside of sessions. He'd play your wingman, help you get through to them, not the other way around, which is what it feels like today. Could use the same image content but the dialogue would play differently. I'd also welcome the ability to advance your relationship with Ellie before she tells you about Johnny's advances - and the same content could be framed, in that route, in a more conspiratorial way - you convincing Ellie to bring Johnny to the pond so you can surprise them and play a prank on Johnny. Maybe a few new scenes here, a progression where you and Ellie show him his place, and he accepts being a third leg in the trio for what he can get. In that context, he could get a lot indeed, but always subject to your and Ellie's whims.
Sorry if it seems basic fantasy, could use a bit of work... But while I don't like NTR per se, I like NTS if it's from the perspective of a couple playing with others, and if the MC isn't a cuck. In that regard, most of the NTR content I've seen in the prologue could be equally given a different flavour, by player choice, making the MC grow into the village's "ladies' man" who lets them use Johnny and Randy for their and his enjoyment, not the other way around. I'd like to see Randy's confused thoughts when he realises he's being used, but can't help himself from playing along because he so badly wants to have whatever the MC and the girls would spare him.
STuRoK9
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Genni wearing the blonde wig and makeup was a 1000x prettier than her ugly shaved head/normal face. I wish we could change her hair to be this way always. Girls with short hair or shaved sides is so butch and unattractive to me.Those are all great ideas, Reidanota.
It would be nice if we could alter the girls in some ways, like changing hair and breast size.
Reason I picked Genni over the others was because her body seemed the nicest. I like Kelly but her boobs are just a bit weird to me (like flabby, and not firm. in the garden fondling they looked very weird too), and Marika is.. good, just a tad less attractive than others. Even with Genni's ugly hair, I still went for her over Mari. (not really a fan of muscular girls either. Lean and smooth for me. Mari's tits are a nice C at least. But Genni has the nicer butt and lean smooth body. edit: just did a bath with Mari and her body looks better here)
Genni's tits are a tad small tho, I prefer firm round C or D cups. Ellie was the best looking, perfect body, very cute face, it's a shame there isn't more with her. Aelrue is great, cute and nice all around too, 2nd best behind Ellie.. Wendy is also nice, firm and perky.
Also, there's mention of Valentina being young and still growing.. I wish there was an option to have her 'grow' more and fill out her breasts to a C cup. (maybe a magic potion to change the girls features?)
Also, it would be nice to know in item descriptions if stuff is just for selling or if it has a use.. like Gems, alcohol, female clothes, etc.
Are we able to drink the alcohol and get the girls drunk? That would have been a good feature while traveling, drinking around the fire, then having the girls strip and dance, and maybe fool around a bit. Can we change their outfits? More skimpy outfits? I gave Valentina the bikini, so that was cool, what about the others, can they wear bikinis? there's 99 in the shop. Also, increase inventory size? I've had to drop/sell a lot of stuff from being full, some of which I don't know if I'll need later.
I'm still in the first traveling town, so I haven't finished the game and seen everything.
Thanks for making these games, pretty well done, salute to everyone who contributed, including the mods/wt.
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shotzpro
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From what I've seen, they're taking money from milking, saying they're going to launch it and then they don't.
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no but apparently they are gonna release what mobium released over years on 1 update.
They are, eh? Well, hell - I guess that 180k+ words I've written and the 2k images that have been drawn for the remake pretty much make us the worst milkmen in the world.
Or, alternatively, Shotzpro chose not to subscribe to the Patreon [even for 1 USD] or Discord, and is assuming that we aren't producing anything in the absence of, y'know, actual information.
Which would make more sense. I mean, Shotzpro would never have suggested that we were milking folk if he had made even the slightest bit of effort to do some research and figure out how tragically dumb a remark like that that would be.
It's a big game. There were more than a few moving parts before the game was abandoned, and there are a lot more since the remake was begun. For most of the devs, it's their first time as devs, so the learning curve is kinda steep, especially when those same devs want to create something that honors the old game and is worthy of anyone who wants to play it.
I get it; people have been waiting, but we have made the mistake of providing a release date once, and we won't do that again, not until everything is ready to go. We aren't going to release some buggy P.O.S, and making a game that is going to scale as the game proceeds over the next several years so you don't have to start all over requires painstaking effort.
I didn't come here to pimp-slap Shotzpro; there are enough games out there that do in fact milk the players who subscribe to them. I came here to point out that there is plenty of evidence to support that we are not one of them.
shotzpro
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bla bla bla has it already been released? No? Any game is released in the first update... 2k renders 3d game in 2 years is a joke.
milking and milking
you should be ashamed of yourself for deceiving others
Sigh. Whatever. You do you, and the rest of us will muddle through, somehow.
campfap
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I mean i dont think he is entierly wrong. Not trying to hate here, it could well be that you guys spend a ton of effort on the remake so far, but all we have seen are walls of text about whats planned and like 4 renders.
And while i wouldn't call it milking it is strange to open a patreon before even having a short release or demo to show. And lets be real the only reason this flies is because you guys reuse the name of a small but well liked game. Saying things like "how about you subscribe to see what we are up to" is also a red flag. We have to pay to even see what is sold? Thats just weird. Just my 2 cents.
And while i wouldn't call it milking it is strange to open a patreon before even having a short release or demo to show. And lets be real the only reason this flies is because you guys reuse the name of a small but well liked game. Saying things like "how about you subscribe to see what we are up to" is also a red flag. We have to pay to even see what is sold? Thats just weird. Just my 2 cents.
reidanota
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Just to play the devil's advocate here, not that I disagree with you, I understand how supporting development through cumulative releases is an attractive model, but I think that
- it creates anxiety among supporters that wish the story would go more towards one way than another
- potentially creates toxicity and competition between supporters with different opinions on how the game should proceed
- increases the potential for the dev(s) to deviate from their original vision in order to satisfy perceived trends
Don't claim my assessment above should be universal, but rarely have I seen cases where "constructive criticism during development" resulted in a better game, so I think the merits of user feedback during development are relative. Better to have a closely knit circle of reviewers who align, from the start, on where the story should go.
And I actually think an honest relationship with backers, based on progress reports and a few treats now and then, is valid and, well, honest. The absence of a release date is stated, the lack of guarantees as well. Fewer people will sign up for it, but perhaps the right people? Those who believe artists should do their thing and not be told what to do, which is what most often happens with ongoing games. Then, disappointment, pain, fear and gnashing of teeth. And death.
That's a far more polite way of voicing your concerns, so thanks for that.
I am not sure why someone remaking an abandoned game is a red flag, but maybe you were inferring that we were trying to ride the coattails of the previous game's popularity. The reason we're remaking it is absolutely because it was popular with myself and the other devs, and thought it deserved new life. The problem with the idea of us reImagining the game being a red flag is simply this - I only know of maybe one or two games that were ever remade [and I'm not talking about remaking to a different software like ren'Py]; even then, those games had a single update before fading away.
We're devoted to carrying this game forward over at least the next 2-3 years - and that's a deeply conservative number; there is an enormous amount of content to explore, and we want to explore it all. We want all of you to be able to explore it all.
As for the second 'red flag' let me point out that I am not suggesting that everyone needs to subscribe. Maybe elect one of your number to sub at the 1 dollar level, see that there are images and posts spanning back over almost 2 years, and report back to everyone here the results of their low-rent-recon. We keep a lot of the images behind the paywall for a variety of reasons, not the least of them is scraping.
And yeah, it's taking longer than I hoped it would; there is a lot of stuff to remake and, as I noted before, this is our first effort as a dev team, and most of us come from fields outside of game creation and have bills to pay, real life jobs, and lives that require us to carve out time to create. That's a large part of the reason for the delay, the other being that - being new - we are essentially teaching ourselves to do things that really haven't been done in the way that we are doing them.
We are absolutely unswerving in the idea of not putting out some low-grade pos that isn't worth the time even mentioning the title of. I love this game; why dafuq else would I spend more than 2 years of my free time in trying to assemble a quality remake?
I readily admit that I used to use this site to download content to see if it was worth my patronage [if it was, I sub'd; if not, I deleted the game and moved on]. Most devs loathe this place, because of the generally entitled behavior of contrbutors who think their opinion - without financial support - carries any weight. I think it has value, but I am definitely in the minority among the development communnity. I am not suggesting that you need to be 'grateful' or anything that I'm posting, but you might want to reflect on why most devs don't post here. I am here, interacting with you, and being called a thief is a pretty shite way to encourage me to keep coming back to keep a pirating community up to date about a game that they will probably never pay for, never support in any way.
I do it because maybe after playing it, you'll do as I did; you'll want to see more and support the game. Plus, I usually like talking to people who like the same stuff I do. All I ask is that people make an effort to remain polite.
Jack Oh
Thank you. Sincerely and honestly. I don't come here often because of the hate shovelled on some devs. And (scrolling down the latest hate-posts) to be accused of milking is a bit of a joke. Most of our subs are friends who are reciprocating subs to their games, or personal friends just being generous. If you don't want to sub, then stop, it is everyone's freedom to choose.
Yes, this game has taken an age to get off the ground, don't forget we lost 2 of our developers during the 2 years we have spent so far on it. We took on a new artist because our main artist has a new and incredibly demanding dayjob. I work (or used to until this week) 60 to 80 hours a week on a dayjob and have 3 kids and a mortgage. The tiny amount of money we get on this game (at the last look it is about $70 a month) is still in the bank account, none of us have had a penny yet because we will have to reimburse each other for all the game assets we have purchased (as we would have to for a future Steam release) which is running into the hundreds if not thousands of $ already. I just quit most of my dayjob to work on this and other games full-time. This is my commitment to Princess on the Run and my team.
A few haters aren't really going to affect my motivation or mood. It is just sad that people who think they know, don't actually know anything. They just make assumptions.
So, thank you, Detroit123, you have put a hopeful smile on my face this morning.