Oh yes. Devs are evils conspiring every night laughing like evils sitting around their evil round table.
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Is someone who invests in a pyramid scheme evil for trying to get others to invest in it so they don't lose money? Maybe, maybe not. Let's not play games here, you would lose money if Patreon went under or even became less popular because that's where you've cultivated support. And I think it is clear that Patreon tends towards perverse incentives and tragedy of the commons when it is used for donations for game development.
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Read the article and I cannot see what's wrong. A company is growing, costs are growing (and they can grow at a different pace compared to revenue), besides they are looking into new projects and are investing [company's own earnings, I assume] into the new projects. Sacrificing short-term profits in favor of bigger and more consistent long-term profits.
Devs use Patreon not because of Patreon's popularity, but because of its offer, and it's their own (devs') popularity that makes their Patreon campaigns more or less successful.
Why are we focusing on Patreon ffs, don't you have any questions to Subscribestar? Itch.io? How about their ToS and sustainability?
Actually, it is not true.
Itch.io has not made such an agreement as Patreon according to their own "admins".
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For steam, I cannot comment, but I assume most use "normal" banks to receive payments for such things.
Patreon is safe as they have an agreement, plus that's why they moderate their site content so much to abide PayPal TOS (or rather mastercard/visa?) and are allowed to make transactions for digital adult content.
I wonder how legit subscribe star would be for the long term. People tend to idolize some companies like CD Projekt, but time, again and again, proves that they're not your friends and are fueled by profits. I wonder if subscribe star become somewhat successful as Patreon, wouldn't they pull off
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Dunno, what I heard is that the issue they have with porn is the amount of such services that cause issues (with like payment being cancelled, scams, etc.) I'm told that you don't get banned on itch.io unless you don't go through them to sell your games (there is an option on their website to just send the payment directly to your paypal without having itch manage it if I remember correctly).
I couldn't really confirm this to you, this is just what I've gathered when I went info hunting to see if itch.io was safe to use.
Safety depends if PP checks where money is coming from. As itch.io "admin" stated, if asked, they have to provide the information. They are not excluded from general PP TOS.
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Game Jolt has stated that the removal of sexual content from the site was done in the interest of their young userbase, saying its "large audience of 13-16 year olds" has been "vocal about not wanting this content on their platform."
I almost choked on my coffee when reading that
As I understand, SubscribeStar is generally more liberal in terms of what's allowed in. Like, you can't promote incest content on Patreon regardless of its legality in certain countries, while you can on Subscribestar. (but that's just my understanding, I may be wrong here)
Right now, yes. But it shows their offices are based in the USA, and as any other company, they have to follow the same laws like any other company that wants to operate in the region. I'm just theorizing how would their view change if someone would offer to invest in the business etc.Game Jolt has stated that the removal of sexual content from the site was done in the interest of their young userbase, saying its "large audience of 13-16 year olds" has been "vocal about not wanting this content on their platform."
I almost choked on my coffee when reading that
As I understand, SubscribeStar is generally more liberal in terms of what's allowed in. Like, you can't promote incest content on Patreon regardless of its legality in certain countries, while you can on Subscribestar. (but that's just my understanding, I may be wrong here)
Considering itch's stance on porn games and how payoneer has similar 'no adult material' in their terms of service, I feel like something doesn't add up here.
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Subscribestar can afford it to be a little more liberal because they aren't cooperating with paypal, who seem to be among the most rigid when it comes to certain kinds of NSFW content. Patreon itself actually didn't care that much either, until they were bascially forced to choose by their payment providers.
It is explained in the
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I provided. It's not up to itch.io if you get banned on another platform for not following TOS.Itch.io will not ban you, but PP will if they see the nature of the transaction.
The same principle happened to the
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Even onlyfans stopped working with paypal, sonner or later patreon will have to do the same meanwhile they are just inside a grey zone.
Not that it matters anyways because people adapt fast like they did with onlyfans.
Not that it matters anyways because people adapt fast like they did with onlyfans.
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From the policy:
PayPal prohibits all account holders from buying or selling sexually oriented digital goods, including downloadable pictures or videos, subscriptions to websites, or other content delivered through a digital medium.
Patreon has the same policy. I have an adult game Patreon, as evidenced in my signature. My game and all the other games on this site as well as all artwork, cam girls etc. all violate Paypal and Patreon's policies as well as the policies of almost every other payment provider.
All material that exists on these 'mixed media' sites that you can pay for with a VISA card does so on the condition that the site doesn't review it's own NSFW policy in order to make a few more dollars.
Porn sites like Pornhub have their own special agreements directly with adult-oriented payment facilitators that have agreements with VISA and others and pay massive fees for the privilege.
Essentially it's all a racket to keep amateur porn out of the market that companies like Patreon are trying to eat into without upsetting the main service providers that are profiting from this.
PayPal prohibits all account holders from buying or selling sexually oriented digital goods, including downloadable pictures or videos, subscriptions to websites, or other content delivered through a digital medium.
Patreon has the same policy. I have an adult game Patreon, as evidenced in my signature. My game and all the other games on this site as well as all artwork, cam girls etc. all violate Paypal and Patreon's policies as well as the policies of almost every other payment provider.
All material that exists on these 'mixed media' sites that you can pay for with a VISA card does so on the condition that the site doesn't review it's own NSFW policy in order to make a few more dollars.
Porn sites like Pornhub have their own special agreements directly with adult-oriented payment facilitators that have agreements with VISA and others and pay massive fees for the privilege.
Essentially it's all a racket to keep amateur porn out of the market that companies like Patreon are trying to eat into without upsetting the main service providers that are profiting from this.
It's not the same. Patreon allows mature themes such as nude and sex but has a policy against real-life pornography.
There may be exceptions for "art" like "body painting"
... but in those cases, Patreon will review the content.Whatever adult content you make which does not break their "Pornography and sexual services" or "Offensive and graphic creations" rules/guidelines, must be marked as "Patron-only" and your page should be set to "18+".
They do not ban mature content as long as you follow their guidelines.
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