mknotultra

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Jul 19, 2023
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It's pretty good, kinda boring after a while but it's early stage so it's ok. Can't wait to see more updates.
 

icollectsouls

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It's been a long while since I've last played, downloaded v0.22b and gave it a quick spin. As much as I'd like to give the game a review that could hopefully take it a little further than the 1.5 stars it has on this site, I personally think it's still in too early of a state to actually affect any site ratings so I'll just post my thoughts here (starting with the gripes first)
  • Right off the bat, the thing that sticks out the most to me is that the island itself almost feels too large, especially for a game of this scope. There's a part of me that'd prefer exploration done in smaller, sequestered areas with loading zones in-between, especially without any kind of LOD toggling for the far-off environmental objects. C'mon, how many polygons is that volcano in the distance? Does it really need to have so much detail and visibility at all times?
  • I can't tell what exactly the photo-scoring system wants from me. I see that there's different objectives like getting pictures of the different colors/patterns for each species, activities, etc., but it also doesn't seem to give you any bonuses (or even an objective) for taking pictures of them in the middle of fucking? I've taken well-ranked photos just from being an idiot and running up directly to something and snapping a picture, but a carefully-obtained, difficult-to-make shot from the side of a futa fox using a bee girl like an onahole is only a C- because they aren't facing the camera?
  • Speaking of pictures being difficult to make, the stealth feels practically nonexistent. In other games, crouching and walking into a bush would usually be considered perfect cover. Instead, crouching seems to make morenoise than regularly walking and the bush itself also makes noises that alerts everything within a 30ft radius, ruining your chance of snapping that photo of a bunny cumming her brains out.
    • Only semi-related to this point but trying to actually get the thrown rocks to connect with the girls is near-impossible and doesn't seem to have much point, especially with how easily they can notice you and just bolt away.
  • I do not like the day/night cycle, but only because this is at a point in development where the player does not have any tools to meaningfully interact with said cycle. If it gets dark, there's little point in doing anything besides warping back to home base and advancing time till morning again.
    • That being said, I have a hard time thinking of reasons I'd want to try exploring at night. It seems like some of the animal girls are supposed to be more nocturnal, but I've seen them walking about/interacting/fucking in broad daylight regardless, and even if they're more active at night I can't see myself going out of my way to get a picture of bat girls having sex in worse lighting.
  • Dear god please just give the player a jump button. The amount of finagling you have to deal with in basic traversal is insane, especially with things like 1ft ledges you can't get past.
Not sure if any of these issues have been fixed in paid versions but it sounds like one of my complaints (not being able to advance species relationships and having a better goal than expanding the radio towers) has been addressed already.
With all that out of the way here's stuff that I actually like about the game!
  • I like the variety when it comes to the different types of animal girls. Normally stuff like this usually goes with more "basic" options for the animals, usually a garden variety of mammals like cats, dogs, etc. but I appreciate the early and consistent inclusion of reptiles, and the bees are a nice touch as well. I'd personally like to see an avian/bird of some kind, maybe a dip into the mythological/fantastical with dragons, gryphons, unicorns/pegasus, etc., or even prehistoric stuff like dinosaurs (even if they might look a little similar to the crocodile/alligator girls already in the game.)
    • Being able to control spawn rates of futa on a per-species basis would be neat. Just something so you could have, for example, the rabbits at a high futa rate, foxes at medium, deers on low, snakes at none, however the player would want, really.
    • One complaint I have in regards to the animal girls is that the rabbits feel like they have a slightlymore unique design compared to most of the others, and that the deer are almost too plain in comparison to the rest.
      • To elaborate even further, the rabbits feel more like a Pokémon, thanks to the unique details on their ears and some of their more unique colorations. The deer on the other hand, while still being cute, don't quite have the same charm that some of the other more "plain" animals have, they just kinda feel like a standard "cute anthro deer girl." I think they could benefit from some more fun color variations.
  • The voyeuristic nature of the game is really sexy and kinda underrated, imo. I know people would prefer to have a player character more actively participating, but it's kinda hot to just stumble upon a pair of animal girls having sex while three others are standing around, watching and masturbating.
    • With that in mind, it'd be nice if the player had tools to facilitate the voyeurism. Items that could goad the animal girls into having sex/actively seek out a partner, better ways to hide and remain undetected so you don't interrupt the sex and can get close without having to zoom through the camera, stuff like that.
 

Henley

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Oct 3, 2019
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It's been a long while since I've last played, downloaded v0.22b and gave it a quick spin. As much as I'd like to give the game a review that could hopefully take it a little further than the 1.5 stars it has on this site, I personally think it's still in too early of a state to actually affect any site ratings so I'll just post my thoughts here (starting with the gripes first)
  • Right off the bat, the thing that sticks out the most to me is that the island itself almost feels too large, especially for a game of this scope. There's a part of me that'd prefer exploration done in smaller, sequestered areas with loading zones in-between, especially without any kind of LOD toggling for the far-off environmental objects. C'mon, how many polygons is that volcano in the distance? Does it really need to have so much detail and visibility at all times?
  • I can't tell what exactly the photo-scoring system wants from me. I see that there's different objectives like getting pictures of the different colors/patterns for each species, activities, etc., but it also doesn't seem to give you any bonuses (or even an objective) for taking pictures of them in the middle of fucking? I've taken well-ranked photos just from being an idiot and running up directly to something and snapping a picture, but a carefully-obtained, difficult-to-make shot from the side of a futa fox using a bee girl like an onahole is only a C- because they aren't facing the camera?
  • Speaking of pictures being difficult to make, the stealth feels practically nonexistent. In other games, crouching and walking into a bush would usually be considered perfect cover. Instead, crouching seems to make morenoise than regularly walking and the bush itself also makes noises that alerts everything within a 30ft radius, ruining your chance of snapping that photo of a bunny cumming her brains out.
    • Only semi-related to this point but trying to actually get the thrown rocks to connect with the girls is near-impossible and doesn't seem to have much point, especially with how easily they can notice you and just bolt away.
  • I do not like the day/night cycle, but only because this is at a point in development where the player does not have any tools to meaningfully interact with said cycle. If it gets dark, there's little point in doing anything besides warping back to home base and advancing time till morning again.
    • That being said, I have a hard time thinking of reasons I'd want to try exploring at night. It seems like some of the animal girls are supposed to be more nocturnal, but I've seen them walking about/interacting/fucking in broad daylight regardless, and even if they're more active at night I can't see myself going out of my way to get a picture of bat girls having sex in worse lighting.
  • Dear god please just give the player a jump button. The amount of finagling you have to deal with in basic traversal is insane, especially with things like 1ft ledges you can't get past.
Not sure if any of these issues have been fixed in paid versions but it sounds like one of my complaints (not being able to advance species relationships and having a better goal than expanding the radio towers) has been addressed already.
With all that out of the way here's stuff that I actually like about the game!
  • I like the variety when it comes to the different types of animal girls. Normally stuff like this usually goes with more "basic" options for the animals, usually a garden variety of mammals like cats, dogs, etc. but I appreciate the early and consistent inclusion of reptiles, and the bees are a nice touch as well. I'd personally like to see an avian/bird of some kind, maybe a dip into the mythological/fantastical with dragons, gryphons, unicorns/pegasus, etc., or even prehistoric stuff like dinosaurs (even if they might look a little similar to the crocodile/alligator girls already in the game.)
    • Being able to control spawn rates of futa on a per-species basis would be neat. Just something so you could have, for example, the rabbits at a high futa rate, foxes at medium, deers on low, snakes at none, however the player would want, really.
    • One complaint I have in regards to the animal girls is that the rabbits feel like they have a slightlymore unique design compared to most of the others, and that the deer are almost too plain in comparison to the rest.
      • To elaborate even further, the rabbits feel more like a Pokémon, thanks to the unique details on their ears and some of their more unique colorations. The deer on the other hand, while still being cute, don't quite have the same charm that some of the other more "plain" animals have, they just kinda feel like a standard "cute anthro deer girl." I think they could benefit from some more fun color variations.
  • The voyeuristic nature of the game is really sexy and kinda underrated, imo. I know people would prefer to have a player character more actively participating, but it's kinda hot to just stumble upon a pair of animal girls having sex while three others are standing around, watching and masturbating.
    • With that in mind, it'd be nice if the player had tools to facilitate the voyeurism. Items that could goad the animal girls into having sex/actively seek out a partner, better ways to hide and remain undetected so you don't interrupt the sex and can get close without having to zoom through the camera, stuff like that.
This is how you do feedback. Let me jump into this.

1. regions are small tbh, we scaled it back quite a lot since we felt that the player would spend far too long traversing instead of finding things to do. Once the full roadmap for early access is done there will be a lot of time based and environmental puzzles/events to interact with. Take a look at this roadmap, right now we are in the middle of v022 and we are building micropatches (which is what the a, b, c, stuff is are the end of the version number). In v025 the space and area will be filled with things like for example: a unique photo op at a fruit tree which happens at night, which is triggered by the player throwing rocks at fruit hanging from the tree to knock it down to the bats waiting blow, the feast and an orgy starts. Some of these events happen on a specific day, during a particular time (Monring, Midday, Evening, Night). These will fill in the exploration tab of the guide book. As for the volcano, its like 100 polys, its very very low on resources.

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2. We build the photo scoring based on a method of photography called "the rule of thirds" meaning it needs to have subjects that take up 3 of the 9 possible grids on a 3x3 grid. There is a lot of cumbersom feeling to it atm, and we do not reward the player enough fo just taking a "clean" shot of girls doing their thing. So it will be re-addressed at some point. I do feel it, and my intention is to have the player take photos that rank up to B very easily. After the player rescues the behaviorist scientiest in the main story they will unlock functionalty called "perfect photo" or PP for short. These are specific points in a animation that are the perfect time to take a photo, which elevates the score by a significant margin. The player is capible of taking this shot without the unlock, but the unlock will make those points visible.

3. Stealth is not so much based on visiblity more that it is based on the animals sixth sense. If you enter their radius while not crouching the awareness bar fills up faster, being crouched increases it a lot slower. Being inside a bush while crouched turns off the awareness accumulation but right now it standing in a bush does nothing. If a girl spots you the awareness bar fills up way faster, if they become aware of danger (the red state) and they visibly spot you, they flee. We will have tools and such to help with this feedback loop later, like a fake bush you can wear, and bait to distract. Rocks right now are mostly tools to interact with the enviroment and to knock ai out of states. In v022c it will be used to turn off agressive plants, and to scare away predators from hunting the player. In v025 it will be used to interact with event sites, like knocking apples outta the tree etc.

4. You are correct about the night cycle. Right now the game has a enviromental puzzle that can only be completed at night (special glowing rune stones) which activates a night only spawn called Malous. Later tools will include better night vision, illumination tools, photo styles for night photos, etc. The fox girl will only hunt at night, and the snake will only hunt during the day. The bats only spawn at night but can sometimes appear during the day. We will be addressing the rates for all this in v022c.

5. Honestly I am pretty against the jump functionalty being implmented but I can see your point about hickups on the landscape. I will discuss this internally, as locomotion and such needs to be implmented correctly, it also has a possibility of other unintended game breaks related to photography or ai. Just know we actually avoided including it.

Just as a note here, they talk about familarity (the concept of girls becoming more okay with your presence on the island) yes it will come in v022e.

6. The species is interesting discussion point so my goal is to eventually include more and more "supernatural" designs, both mythic and pokemon like. The plains is for this purpose is the entry point to the game, were the deeper you go, the more intense the monster designs get. Each region (of which there are 5 planned) will have 9 unique monster designs, these designs can cross mingle into different biomes and such. Along with standard girls having more unique varients. For example, we plan to include a variation of the bunny girl in every biome, so a snow bunny, fire bunny, sand bunny, etc. This will happen with other mons as well to a degree. Each region will also include some sort of unique spawn related to ghosts and hauntings as well. Hopefully this addresses your concerns about this, as varients are going to be a big thing for photo ops in the future. Like finding the ruby bunny girl might be a vary rare chance. And the deer varient for the snow having massive antlers with a big fat body.

7. Futa rates per species is something no one has requested except for you. And honestly that is something I could see added to sandbox mode post game completion. Futa is needed for a lot of our photo ops, and while we do allow it to be turned off, it does affect our goals a lot. Something to consider though.

8. I am glad you like that aspect, but allow me to detail some plans you might like. Via familiarty a lot of things about the girls change. So the very core of our experience is tied to the player taking photos while NOT disturbing the natural way of things. If however you do make them aware of you a couple things happen. At low familiarty they will simply flee (exactly how it works now), at medium familirity they will strike sultry poses like models do, perhaps even tease you with their butts and make lewd gestures at you. But getting too close after that has them flee. At high familiarty the mons will allow you to approach and interact with them. However these photos you take won't work for a majorty of the monpedia entries. On top of this we have global events like the Pink Moon event (based on lunar cycles) which activates the spore plants and drugs everthing on the island into a very lustful state, this increases spawn rates, decreases awareness, increases sex acts, and even drugs the player and gives them a chance to surrender to the island and join the orgy.

As for tools to not be seen, yes. We have those planned. Bait, camoflague, etc. So we have a lot to do.

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This sort of post i love, as it shows player involement in the process, I am aware we have some things to correct, and a lot to add to the base game before I would consider it ready. We also have a main story line which is fully voiced and ready to be implmented but sex mechancis and base systems come first. I hope you continue to give feedback like this in the future.
 

xtrartmad

Newbie
Mar 13, 2018
16
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some questions -

1 how to get the sex item?
2 the couple animations seems like it doesnt load properly just hovering over them/eachother
3 how do i get them to interact?
 

Henley

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Game Developer
Oct 3, 2019
523
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some questions -

1 how to get the sex item?
2 the couple animations seems like it doesnt load properly just hovering over them/eachother
3 how do i get them to interact?
Read the release post and all your questions will be answered.
 

Zi0_Matrix

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Jan 14, 2024
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So it's looking like i'll want to take another big look at this around when v024 starts being released (assuming it'll be released in chunks like v022.)

The core systems are here, taking pictures, scoring points based on various criteria, cataloging different poses/variants of each species, unlocking camps, world puzzle(s), etc. but it doesn't feel like you can really do anything with all of that just yet? There's no real goal to work towards at the moment.
Familiarity seems to reset (probably because it isn't fully implemented yet, or i'm dumb) and research points don't seem to unlock/do anything (again, likely not fleshed out, or i'm dumb)? I played a version a billion years ago where I feel like they did, but that was... a billion years ago. Things have 100% changed since then so who knows.
Keep chugging away at it, you've got a good thing going on. Framework updates aren't the most glamorous, I get it, but progress is being made and you've been keeping us updated with varying levels of snark.
 

Henley

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So it's looking like i'll want to take another big look at this around when v024 starts being released (assuming it'll be released in chunks like v022.)

The core systems are here, taking pictures, scoring points based on various criteria, cataloging different poses/variants of each species, unlocking camps, world puzzle(s), etc. but it doesn't feel like you can really do anything with all of that just yet? There's no real goal to work towards at the moment.
Familiarity seems to reset (probably because it isn't fully implemented yet, or i'm dumb) and research points don't seem to unlock/do anything (again, likely not fleshed out, or i'm dumb)? I played a version a billion years ago where I feel like they did, but that was... a billion years ago. Things have 100% changed since then so who knows.
Keep chugging away at it, you've got a good thing going on. Framework updates aren't the most glamorous, I get it, but progress is being made and you've been keeping us updated with varying levels of snark.
The game needs the framework done, but we are close to having it ready. It will get done one piece at a time.
 
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icollectsouls

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This is how you do feedback. Let me jump into this.
Not to turn this into some crazy back-and-forth but I appreciate the extensive response... and then have my own comments on the response itself, lol.
1. regions are small tbh, we scaled it back quite a lot since we felt that the player would spend far too long traversing instead of finding things to do.
As for the volcano, its like 100 polys, its very very low on resources.
Hrmm. Interesting, because I still feel like the area itself is still fairly large, but I'll chalk that up to actual dev knowledge vs. player feelings. Good to know the volcano isn't some resource-hog, either.
5. Honestly I am pretty against the jump functionality being implemented but I can see your point about hiccups on the landscape. I will discuss this internally, as locomotion and such needs to be implemented correctly, it also has a possibility of other unintended game breaks related to photography or ai. Just know we actually avoided including it.
I can understand the decision-making behind the lack of a jump, though one of my biggest issues is that the game "feels" like it should have a jump, but doesn't. With the way the character moves around and the way the camera (the function to view the game and not the in-game camera for taking photos) works around them, it's a lot closer to a third-person shooter, or even a platformer. (Games that, y'know, typically feature jumping.) I think it's also a missed opportunity to include some (very light and non-intensive) jumping/platforming segments that could lead to, idk, upgrades or unique photo opportunity locations.
6. The species is interesting discussion point so my goal is to eventually include more and more "supernatural" designs, both mythic and pokemon like. The plains is for this purpose is the entry point to the game, were the deeper you go, the more intense the monster designs get. Each region (of which there are 5 planned) will have 9 unique monster designs, these designs can cross mingle into different biomes and such. Along with standard girls having more unique variants. For example, we plan to include a variation of the bunny girl in every biome, so a snow bunny, fire bunny, sand bunny, etc. This will happen with other mons as well to a degree. Each region will also include some sort of unique spawn related to ghosts and hauntings as well. Hopefully this addresses your concerns about this, as variants are going to be a big thing for photo ops in the future. Like finding the ruby bunny girl might be a vary rare chance. And the deer variant for the snow having massive antlers with a big fat body.
Everything about this sounds pretty good, but in particular...
>deer variant for the snow having massive antlers with a big fat body
This is the good stuff. I like women of all shapes & sizes (skinny, fat, muscular, curvy, etc.) so the potential for more body types is exactly the kind of thing I want to hear.
7. Futa rates per species is something no one has requested except for you. And honestly that is something I could see added to sandbox mode post game completion. Futa is needed for a lot of our photo ops, and while we do allow it to be turned off, it does affect our goals a lot. Something to consider though.
I'm not surprised to hear that I'm the only one who's suggested something like that, it's mostly a result of my particular preferences lmao. I already have the general futa spawn rate set to High (because I like futa x futa stuff) but I also like to see stuff more where the "predatory" types are the regular women and the "prey" are futa.
8. I am glad you like that aspect, but allow me to detail some plans you might like. Via familiarity a lot of things about the girls change. So the very core of our experience is tied to the player taking photos while NOT disturbing the natural way of things. If however you do make them aware of you a couple things happen. At low familiarity they will simply flee (exactly how it works now), at medium familiarity they will strike sultry poses like models do, perhaps even tease you with their butts and make lewd gestures at you. But getting too close after that has them flee. At high familiarity the mons will allow you to approach and interact with them. However these photos you take won't work for a majority of the monpedia entries.
Would I be right in assuming that a part of the gameplay would revolve around having to balance higher familiarity making it easier to take "sexy" pictures of the monsters but harder to take "natural" shots? That would mean stealth would still be needed at higher familiarity, you still wouldn't want to be seen, it's just for a completely different reason.
On top of this we have global events like the Pink Moon event (based on lunar cycles) which activates the spore plants and drugs everything on the island into a very lustful state, this increases spawn rates, decreases awareness, increases sex acts, and even drugs the player and gives them a chance to surrender to the island and join the orgy.
I like the thought of some more player involvement, though it does make the male/female character choice a little more... curious. This is one of the few porn games where I can say I don't actually hate the male player design, so props there, but I still chose the girl when playing just because I'd still rather see a girl get involved with the monster girls/futas (at least, in later versions.) It's been a while since I've read any of the plans involving player/monster interaction, will the male character be able to get fucked by futas? Any possibility that the female character could become a futa somehow at some point?
 

Henley

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Not to turn this into some crazy back-and-forth but I appreciate the extensive response... and then have my own comments on the response itself, lol.
It is now my turn to put you on a barrel and fill your question holes. With knowledge. Yeah, I dunno where I was going with that.

I can understand the decision-making behind the lack of a jump, though one of my biggest issues is that the game "feels" like it should have a jump, but doesn't. With the way the character moves around and the way the camera (the function to view the game and not the in-game camera for taking photos) works around them, it's a lot closer to a third-person shooter, or even a platformer. (Games that, y'know, typically feature jumping.) I think it's also a missed opportunity to include some (very light and non-intensive) jumping/platforming segments that could lead to, idk, upgrades or unique photo opportunity locations.
Platforming is an interesting suggestion, we had considered it, but we mostly regulated that content to items you'd need to purchase from the store to access. Like say a climbing gear set to access the radio towers on rock sites, or a machete to access dense forest areas. I dunno how I would feel about making players jump to areas, as that is kinda a new player skill set to include.

Would I be right in assuming that a part of the gameplay would revolve around having to balance higher familiarity making it easier to take "sexy" pictures of the monsters but harder to take "natural" shots? That would mean stealth would still be needed at higher familiarity, you still wouldn't want to be seen, it's just for a completely different reason.
Yes, the concept here is that in order to get "deeper" into the game, you need to engage with stealth and the monpedia correctly. However, rewarding the player for making progress is also intended. So instead of monsters fleeing and missing your chance, you now have the sheep girl pestering you for a shafting. This is also reflected in the audio logs we will have in the game.


So the basic loop is that players do main missions for narrative, monpedia for sex unlocks, guide book for other unlocks. The familiarity mechanic makes that a consistently achievable option while also rewarding the player for doing better. We aim that the player needs to do roughly 20% of the monpedia to complete the main narrative of the game.

I like the thought of some more player involvement, though it does make the male/female character choice a little more... curious. This is one of the few porn games where I can say I don't actually hate the male player design, so props there, but I still chose the girl when playing just because I'd still rather see a girl get involved with the monster girls/futas (at least, in later versions.) It's been a while since I've read any of the plans involving player/monster interaction, will the male character be able to get fucked by futas? Any possibility that the female character could become a futa somehow at some point?
Male and Female can take as much or as little dickings as the player wants. Having futa enabled, and playing as Oscar (the male character) means you can get attacked by a futa predator and get carried away and creampied. Jamie (the female character) will also get attacked by female predators as well. Having said that, Jamie will have the option to get a strapon or a futa dong as a cosmetic only. Aka she is still "female" and not treated as anything other than that.

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Hope that helps.
 

Zi0_Matrix

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Having said that, Jamie will have the option to get a strapon or a futa dong as a cosmetic only. Aka she is still "female" and not treated as anything other than that.
So, visually, it's no different from a hat. Functionally, even if nobody talks about it in the narrative, one could expect to do things you'd reasonably expect a futa character to be able to do?
From what you've said, regardless of who you play as, it sounds like you won't be locked out of any animations with mons?
 
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