VN RPGM Abandoned Saria Reclaimed [v0.17] [Velminth]

[Ferghus]

Speaking of the KP inspired combat, really the biggest issue with it is, from what we see, Saria isn't the kind to ever engage in using the sexual attacks herself.
That being said, I always felt that was the biggest flaw with KP using it at all either. Karryn, as a character introduced, isn't the type to do it.
But the mechanic exists because its something the players would want her to do.

I mean, that's what corruption mechanics are all about I suppose.

How I rationalize it is that her disposition depends on the player. If she's going out of her way to be groped and raped, she's not actually against being groped and raped. If you're not going out of you way to have her groped and raped, you can basically taunt prisoners to keep them from using sexual moves. And if she wants to fuck around and find out instead of running away when she's low on stamina, ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

 

[Magister Masquerade]

Yeah, some people were insanely entitled in the Discord from what i heard. They don't realize artists like these can make enough money by just doing single art commissions on pixiv and posting art on fanbox/ci-en.

When they're rude and these games with a lot of effort get abandoned everyone but the Artist loses.

Well not as many artists as you think, it's a very saturated and competitive market where only the top artists with the most flexible acceptance rate for kinks do well, though he looks talented enough to be there.

But yes, getting flak certainly wouldn't keep anyone's motivation up. However, it's still partially his blame. This is like kickstarter drama. You have to understand if people give you say $500 over time adding up among multiple people to like half a mil to make what looks like a really cool survival horror game, and then you abandon it and say you're going to use that money to make a minecraft clone instead, well...

Yeah people are going to be upset. Not even a new concept, because it's happened a lot before and is partly what killed crowdfunding (along with so many of them becoming effectual scams) and why few major games use it anymore.


That doesn't mean the dev deserves to be treated like this, but the anger shoulda been anything but unexpected. I guess it hurts even more when the abandoned game really had potential.

 

[fraazx]

Well not as many artists as you think, it's a very saturated and competitive market where only the top artists with the most flexible acceptance rate for kinks do well, though he looks talented enough to be there.

But yes, getting flak certainly wouldn't keep anyone's motivation up. However, it's still partially his blame. This is like kickstarter drama. You have to understand if people give you say $500 over time adding up among multiple people to like half a mil to make what looks like a really cool survival horror game, and then you abandon it and say you're going to use that money to make a minecraft clone instead, well...

Yeah people are going to be upset. Not even a new concept, because it's happened a lot before and is partly what killed crowdfunding (along with so many of them becoming effectual scams) and why few major games use it anymore.


That doesn't mean the dev deserves to be treated like this, but the anger shoulda been anything but unexpected. I guess it hurts even more when the abandoned game really had potential.

Well, the dev made the situation worse by escalating the conflict since he acted like a douchebag and whiner about the whole drama. If he had just been civil and explained his reasonings, the hate wouldn't be this bad, so I say the dev deserved it.

 

[Thecatbred]

Well, the dev made the situation worse by escalating the conflict since he acted like a douchebag and whiner about the whole drama. If he had just been civil and explained his reasonings, the hate wouldn't be this bad, so I say the dev deserved it.

Yea, we definitely deserve not getting to see these games be finished.

 

[Ferghus]

Well not as many artists as you think, it's a very saturated and competitive market where only the top artists with the most flexible acceptance rate for kinks do well, though he looks talented enough to be there.

But yes, getting flak certainly wouldn't keep anyone's motivation up. However, it's still partially his blame. This is like kickstarter drama. You have to understand if people give you say $500 over time adding up among multiple people to like half a mil to make what looks like a really cool survival horror game, and then you abandon it and say you're going to use that money to make a minecraft clone instead, well...

Yeah people are going to be upset. Not even a new concept, because it's happened a lot before and is partly what killed crowdfunding (along with so many of them becoming effectual scams) and why few major games use it anymore.


That doesn't mean the dev deserves to be treated like this, but the anger shoulda been anything but unexpected. I guess it hurts even more when the abandoned game really had potential.

I'm honestly surprised at how many people ate the bait with crowdfunding. Like people promising to make a fancy VN in just 2 years time on 40k is insane. Or that one magic rebreather that's supposedly capable of getting oxygen from water. Or that hand-crank toothbrush that's supposed to be a replacement for electrical. I'm kinda amazed at how optimistic people are with some pitches.

 

[fraazx]

Yea, we definitely deserve not getting to see these games be finished.

Eh, it's all up to the developer themselves in the end and how they choose to act.

 

[Magister Masquerade]

I'm honestly surprised at how many people ate the bait with crowdfunding. Like people promising to make a fancy VN in just 2 years time on 40k is insane. Or that one magic rebreather that's supposedly capable of getting oxygen from water. Or that hand-crank toothbrush that's supposed to be a replacement for electrical. I'm kinda amazed at how optimistic people are with some pitches.

Don't get me started on crowdfunding... while we got some insane things out of it, they don't compare to the planetoids of failed projects and effectual scams. You know, a fully fledged MMORPG made by 2 guys in 2 years asking only 100k? Yeah let's jump on that hard and get it to half a mil.

What's that? 20 years later there still isn't even an alpha? Weeeeeeeeeird.

That's also why everyone is desperate to move things to subs. People really just don't see to care where money goes the moment it stops touching their fingers. And eh, I don't hate Patreon nor begrudge successful devs, there's just a lot of instances where I wish these devs would just respect their supporters a little more is all.

 

[Serena]

Speaking of the KP inspired combat, really the biggest issue with it is, from what we see, Saria isn't the kind to ever engage in using the sexual attacks herself.
That being said, I always felt that was the biggest flaw with KP using it at all either. Karryn, as a character introduced, isn't the type to do it.
But the mechanic exists because its something the players would want her to do.

I mean, that's what corruption mechanics are all about I suppose.

You said it yourself, both Karryn and Saria are not the kind of girls to use sexual attacks, but they get corrupted to the point that they use them, I remember grinding like crazy in that boss room where there are a ton of enemies to raise the corruption and sensitivity of each part, you get to see the change, from the facial expressions to willingness and that is what made the game good.

It doesn't matter that Saria looks more buff and muscular than Karryn, mentally they are both women and they can both fall victim to corruption, heck I remember playing a tentacle game from an insanely buff women who looked like she tears tentacles apart and won't ever open her legs like a whore became just that a whore opening her legs for a tentacle because it fucked her brians out for hours.

 

[maybemaybe112]

I blame the abandonment on the fans tbh. They seemed like one punch man fans who didn't really deserve S1, got S2 and then nuke the rating to get current S3. His problem, was he was too active with these people... but even after he throw them out and stopped engaging with them, the "fans" nuked the rating because he wasn't listening to them. Leading to abandonment.

He did change the whole thing suddenly and went full ego, but nuking the rating like it happened made recovery impossible.

 

[PixelLewd]

So its the fans and supporters fault the Dev couldn't focus down on one vision, kept changing the game up, AND decided to take a mightier than thou attitude over it too?

 

[fraazx]

I blame the abandonment on the fans tbh. They seemed like one punch man fans who didn't really deserve S1, got S2 and then nuke the rating to get current S3. His problem, was he was too active with these people... but even after he throw them out and stopped engaging with them, the "fans" nuked the rating because he wasn't listening to them. Leading to abandonment.

He did change the whole thing suddenly and went full ego, but nuking the rating like it happened made recovery impossible.

And I blame people like you who went all full white knight for his ass, thinking that they were the good guys and creating an echo chamber. I'm too lazy to even bother explaining my reasons again, so go dig through the pile of shits from years ago in here if you're curious about it.

F95zone is not and will not be one of his echo chambers.

 

[Magister Masquerade]

I blame the abandonment on the fans tbh. They seemed like one punch man fans who didn't really deserve S1, got S2 and then nuke the rating to get current S3. His problem, was he was too active with these people... but even after he throw them out and stopped engaging with them, the "fans" nuked the rating because he wasn't listening to them. Leading to abandonment.

He did change the whole thing suddenly and went full ego, but nuking the rating like it happened made recovery impossible.

Lol, even non-stans (i.e. general anime fans) thought S2 was horribly produced, because it was. The problem was that this wasn't generic forgettable isekai slop 100001245, but a major and already successful manga. Compared to the treatment other such adaptations got (Naruto, MHA, Demon Slayer, etc), it really was like One Punch Man got done dirty.

Blaming the ratings of Season 2 for the insult Season 3 is also insanely braindead, illogical, and nonsensical, and the kind of thinking I'd expect FROM hyper fans lmao.

Uuuh yeah wow people really didn't like the poor quality of season two, here's an idea, instead of just stopping and calling it a failure, let's release an entire other season at a 1000x worse quality and see what happens. Clearly, that glorious decision has everything to do with the fans. /sarcasm

And as for this dev, the only person who could choose to abandon the game or not was the dev, and he made his choice. Even if he made that choice because of the fans (which I doubt), he was solely the one responsible for the final decision, and he should take responsibility for that just like any normal person would.

For the record, what he did isn't anywhere near new. It is one of the great curses of indie NSFW gaming and is as common as other stuff like remastering/recoding, engine swaps, quietly vanishing, etc. He is nowhere unique in this.

 

[NunHentai]

You said it yourself, both Karryn and Saria are not the kind of girls to use sexual attacks, but they get corrupted to the point that they use them, I remember grinding like crazy in that boss room where there are a ton of enemies to raise the corruption and sensitivity of each part, you get to see the change, from the facial expressions to willingness and that is what made the game good.

It doesn't matter that Saria looks more buff and muscular than Karryn, mentally they are both women and they can both fall victim to corruption, heck I remember playing a tentacle game from an insanely buff women who looked like she tears tentacles apart and won't ever open her legs like a whore became just that a whore opening her legs for a tentacle because it fucked her brians out for hours.

Do you remember the name of that game?

 

[ebonheart2319]

He did change the whole thing suddenly and went full ego, but nuking the rating like it happened made recovery impossible.

The rating nuke happened because the knob openly declared his contempt for fans, and intent to defraud his prepaid commissioners.

Silly commissioners... dumbly assuming they will get what they directly paid for.

 

[maybemaybe112]

Lol, even non-stans (i.e. general anime fans) thought S2 was horribly produced, because it was. The problem was that this wasn't generic forgettable isekai slop 100001245, but a major and already successful manga. Compared to the treatment other such adaptations got (Naruto, MHA, Demon Slayer, etc), it really was like One Punch Man got done dirty.

Blaming the ratings of Season 2 for the insult Season 3 is also insanely braindead, illogical, and nonsensical, and the kind of thinking I'd expect FROM hyper fans lmao.

Uuuh yeah wow people really didn't like the poor quality of season two, here's an idea, instead of just stopping and calling it a failure, let's release an entire other season at a 1000x worse quality and see what happens. Clearly, that glorious decision has everything to do with the fans. /sarcasm

And as for this dev, the only person who could choose to abandon the game or not was the dev, and he made his choice. Even if he made that choice because of the fans (which I doubt), he was solely the one responsible for the final decision, and he should take responsibility for that just like any normal person would.

For the record, what he did isn't anywhere near new. It is one of the great curses of indie NSFW gaming and is as common as other stuff like remastering/recoding, engine swaps, quietly vanishing, etc. He is nowhere unique in this.

He gave out a new version every month, before remake. Literally no grifter has done that. He also did put a poll on his patreon for changing the system back to classic RPGM after backlash. Classic RPGM didn't win that poll. You would have known if you were actually subscribed or paid for it.

You guys are quite effective at not getting what you want. On, OPM, the animators get a budget based on how likely they would get a return.

When you review bomb a series, that series is dead. No investment, nothing. "Make it better instead from criticism" no bro, your critisim blew its brains out. It's over.

You won't see someone touch it anytime soon. Because investors and CEOs will think it's trash.

 

[maybemaybe112]

The new system was what his patreon wanted.
YOU KILLED HIS RATING + HARASSED HIM FOR LISTENING TO HIS PAID SUPPORTERS.
Quite unique.

 

[EmilIrving]

There were no poll for the VN version. And this poll happened a couple months after he already made the change to deck building mechanics.

 

[fraazx]

The new system was what his patreon wanted.
YOU KILLED HIS RATING + HARASSED HIM FOR LISTENING TO HIS PAID SUPPORTERS.
Quite unique.
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...Bro, I will just say it simple enough for your mind to comprehend, since it's apparent your brain have a lacking component or two... Vel changed the game into a VN. A boring ass VN, filled with bugs and unbalanced fights. It wasn't the card battle that killed this game, it was the VN and Vel's response.

Anyway, do keep making a clown of yourself, desperately trying to change F95zone to be an echo chamber to support Vel again~ Just like discord~. I love kicking people like you down to the ground~

 

[Christin Eleven]

Honestly,

creators like this are why I say: Screw them!

Someone should just go and stea- borrow their Game and continue it on their own! (without making money with it tho! That would be illegal!)

Someone should do what the creator can not!

 

[Magister Masquerade]

He gave out a new version every month, before remake. Literally no grifter has done that. He also did put a poll on his patreon for changing the system back to classic RPGM after backlash. Classic RPGM didn't win that poll. You would have known if you were actually subscribed or paid for it.

You guys are quite effective at not getting what you want. On, OPM, the animators get a budget based on how likely they would get a return.

When you review bomb a series, that series is dead. No investment, nothing. "Make it better instead from criticism" no bro, your critisim blew its brains out. It's over.

You won't see someone touch it anytime soon. Because investors and CEOs will think it's trash.

I haven't read every single thread here (127 pages...), but imo he's not a grifter in terms of tricking people to steal a money, he's a typical grifter in that he rakes in subs while spinning in circles, seemingly out of incompetence or malice, not that it matters in the long run.

Again, not new. I could sit here and name tons of games that haven't had a meaningful update in years, one of which is making well over 15k USD a month. The reasons for this are many yet somehow always in the same box. Engine upgrade, graphic/code remaster, random new project out of the blue (again and again), mysterious vague injury that is very common and specifically destroys one's ability to sit in a chair and draw/code, treadmill update (I have a few games I follow in which the devs are still active, still saying the patch is coming, and in one of those cases it's been just about 8 years now that patch has been coming, and no I'm not joking).

Again, no personal grudge here and I am thrilled these creators found success. It's not easy to do, especially now, but it's hard to watch them turn around and shit on the faces of those who supported them with a smile even if those people don't mind. I just wish they respected their craft and their supporters more. What this dev has done really isn't acceptable, at this point what are people even supporting? Him boredly experimenting with personal projects that will never be finished?

And you really don't think people have a right to be mad or at the very least disappointed at that?

And please, next time sit down and think very carefully before you point at the most zealous, parasocial, emotionally attached core followers' herd decision as a meaningful source of... well, anything. We've seen that mistake play out time and time again and it is literally how cults become... well cults. If you're going to ignore the opinions of anyone but the most faithful followers with extreme bias, then there's no point in talking since logic isn't on the table.

And clearly, you're not getting what you want either... unless you wanted to not get something you supported 3 times already lmao.

EDIT:

And for the record, I didn't give the game a negative review as I don't think it's fair for the current issue at hand, but I still understand the frustration and still believe the dev has to accept responsibility for what happened as it was the result of his decision and nothing else.