But smeagolb stopped updating XCF files and the link to Google drive doesn't work
Collection Pinup Sciamano240 Collection [2024-07-07] [Sciamano240]
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Someone made (free) edits of the creator's OCs; creator had a temper tantrum and now only draws nudes of (paid) edits made of other people's OCs.
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I know I had a personal thing with Sciamano where Patreon double charged me in the same billing period for him and so I had to request a refund for one of the payments from him and he was very rude about the ordeal, he said something along the lines of “if you can’t afford it then why did you even bother subscribing“ meanwhile I explained the situation clearly to him, so idk, after that I just straight up canceled my sub and now I’m here jacking his shit for free.
Idk why an artist would treat someone they know is supporting them like that.
Idk why an artist would treat someone they know is supporting them like that.
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Probably skimmed the message, didnt read it all fully.
Saw refund, eyes focused on that.
If it happened more than once, the x2 payments, just hit up Patreon. Not the person
- Dec 26, 2022
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For sure, I love his work, it’s just because of that interaction I have a bad taste in my mouth. Now I don’t feel guilty for getting his stuff for free here is all. Still one of my favourite artists.
Being good at something doesn't mean they're a good person so ya, seen so many shitty interactions on his streams too, doesn't seem like a reasonable person at all.
what people and the artist should understand, is as a Patreon you are not exactly a buyer, Artist is not selling anything, and people are not buying anything, not exactly a transaction, what we have in this system is:
1. an Artist doing whatever they want.
2. people supporting the Artist.
that money is not the fee of a deal, it's a form of "support"
meaning people cannot expect anything from the Artist, Artist can decide what they want to do, what form of art they want to produce, their content is completely their decision, but on the other hand, the Artist CANNOT also expect anything from the patreons, instead the Artist has to be grateful, because even though they are sharing their work, this is not a deal and unlike any normal transaction Patreons are not receiving anything they have any right to it, there is a reason why they are not called "Freelancer" and "Client" but unfortunately both sides lost their ability to understand the definition of what they are doing.
Leading to Patreons demanding and Artists to get arrogant towards Patreons, this is what happens when people lose logic and forget the origin of their acts. this whole thing should exactly be treated just as a content creator of YT, CC provides and appreciates the support of people with their heart, truly and not faking it, and people watch and enjoy and appreciate the work of CC.
If anyone wants to argue that this is a deal and is not the same as YT, go ahead, try to hire a Freelancer to do a PNG image for you, check the pricing see if you can afford even 50 pixels of such work with that mere 5$, don't be shy if you do get yourself a deal and let everyone see what kind of work you got delivered to you.
That’s not quite true, because most artists on Patreon offer different tiers, with specific rewards for each tier. I’m not a lawyer or anything, but that clearly seems like some form of transaction to me, albeit perhaps not a very well defined one. Patreon also gives you the option, when you unsubscribe from someone, to mention that the creator was not posting as often as you had expected, which also gives the impression of more of a customer/client relationship than a pure patron/artist one.
Comparing the Patreon situation to an individual buyer trying to commission a piece for $5 is also quite disingenuous; obviously, Patreon more closely resembles crowdsourcing in that respect. It’s like you’re saying the people funding a video game on Kickstarter can’t complain about anything, because it’s impossible to make a game with a mere $10 or however much they donated. No, one person contributing $5 a month shouldn’t be treated as though they were a commissioner, but collectively, the body of patrons definitely should have some say if they judge their money isn’t being used properly.
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this is exactly what I mean when I say people lost the ability to understand the relation there is to it, let me make it as simple as possible for you:
if someone is performing on street and 200 people and come throw 5$ to that person, does it give any of you the right to demand anything? have you ever done something like this before? if not then do not bother just leave this post and get on with your life.
People these days cannot comprehend the basics of life.
Patreon gives you the option and different tier to create for one thing only, for people to support and offer more than basic 5$ that every pedestrian walks by, and for the Artist to show more special gratitude.
Basically you walk by throw 5$ the performer says thank you, another person walks by throws 50$ in and the performer bows, says thank you, and plays a special note for them.
this is basically glorified street performance that is moved to worldwide web, Artists no longer perform on street, people no longer carry cash around and get to see/hear only specific local Artists.
if you truly believe you have anything different going on then I assume one day in your life you helped someone on street then went back and asked for something in return, or you never done the act, ever.
then again as I said people cannot comprehend this, they complicate these stuff for themselves and others, and it will only gets worse because these days people have lost their sense of social life as it was before, as soon as anything gets a new label they think the whole deal has changed.
and to clarify, Patreon gives you the option to withdraw your subscription with that description just for the same reason as Twitch asks you the very same question, to evaluate their artists for search results and their patterns, try to talk to Patreon support and tell them X Artist lost their quality and you want to force them to improve it because it was not worth your $, see how that goes. and if you are still in doubt that you are doing any sort of transaction and deal in there, do yourself a favor, use their work for yourself see how that goes for you legally, see what kind of License you have to the work you believe you "paid" for, let me know how penalty fee feels like.
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funny thing… they would probably still be here on site even if mirco was the nicest person ever, this merely justification after fact.
are you willing to share any proof of that claim with us?funny thing… they would probably still be here on site even if mirco was the nicest person ever, this merely justification after fact.
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yes - this thread exist well before any mention of whether micro is polite or rude toward patrons.
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FINALLY A NEW KIKO ART OTW, don’t care if it doesn’t have variations but glad to see Kiko again
I think I found Sciamanos burner account, you sound like a business owner asking for why someone left a shitty google review and you don't use f95 for anything other than to defend Sciamano