Okay sound reasonable, doesn't bother me, I find it silly afterall that some Harem games have those rediculous 100 girls and all can be in harem, not sure how one can even afford such amount of girls, let stand give them enough attention.
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Would it be possible to add a line or two of extra dialogue when an LI gives away her firsts to someone else? Like, in the Luna route, if Luna was not your date and you choose to share her at work, she has her first oral experience with her costumers. That's pretty hot, but the impact is lessened because nobody remarks on it; the BJ counter just jumps from 0 to 3. Likewise if you don't take Sadie to the party after the gym scene and then get the picture from Xavier. It would be sexier if the characters noticed things like that, not just defloration.
Also, in the Quinn NTR route, her motivation is to practice pleasing you. That's an underused and extremely good BSS/NTR trope. I just hope it is possible to continue that theme while still having a relationship with her; I don't want her to get stolen or to deny MC intimacy, but it would be great if she just gave away all her firsts to "practice" without permission simply because of her insecurity while still loving MC and wanting to be experienced for him and sharing what she has learned with him.
Finally, replay needs a little work; right now you can only see the Zoey NTS version of the scene, not the NTR version, and there is no option to set MC's name. And some scenes, like the Luna/Ella work scenes, are completely missing and only present as static images in the gallery. It would be great to change that.
This game and Sharing is Caring are definitely two of my all time favorites, BTW. Amazing work. Love the fast-paced, fun, casual atmosphere. It's great to see NTS treated like this instead of something you have to spend a dozen updates building up to and angsting over.
Also, in the Quinn NTR route, her motivation is to practice pleasing you. That's an underused and extremely good BSS/NTR trope. I just hope it is possible to continue that theme while still having a relationship with her; I don't want her to get stolen or to deny MC intimacy, but it would be great if she just gave away all her firsts to "practice" without permission simply because of her insecurity while still loving MC and wanting to be experienced for him and sharing what she has learned with him.
Finally, replay needs a little work; right now you can only see the Zoey NTS version of the scene, not the NTR version, and there is no option to set MC's name. And some scenes, like the Luna/Ella work scenes, are completely missing and only present as static images in the gallery. It would be great to change that.
This game and Sharing is Caring are definitely two of my all time favorites, BTW. Amazing work. Love the fast-paced, fun, casual atmosphere. It's great to see NTS treated like this instead of something you have to spend a dozen updates building up to and angsting over.
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I appreciate all the feedback!
I'll look into adding dialogue like that, I think it would definitely add to the experience. I'm planning to continue Quinn's story along that track, no worries there. I need to do more research into how the replay gallery functions so I can get that fixed, and once I figure that out I can do more scenes with variations like that.Hi Dev, I just had a question, I was wondering if in the future there would be an option to share the girls with other girls, I am not a fan nor interested with the scenes with other men but I really like some girl on girl action, so do you have plans to later on add an option like "I am open to the option" and let you choose like, only men, only women or both?.
Also I liked your previous game, fucking loved the netori route and all, I imagine this will be like a pseudo"harem" I think (I hope I am using that word correctly) just like the previous game, I "hate" that you are not able to see all the scenes and interactions in one run unlike SiC where you had the option to check on each girl without having to choose between one or other outside of some very few exceptions and you have to choose instead Pov with A, B or C (who knows maybe a madlad in the future will make a mod that allows you to pick all the other options as well an see the scenes as well, but I don't know if that could potentially mess with the code and crash the game). I wonder if changing the values with save editor would work on a similar way but I have the feeling that it won't.
Having to choose between LI's hit me hard bacause I have a tendency of wanting to check every scene but don't have that much time to replay the game and instead I end up creating a bunch of saves. But I understand the part that would be a lot of work to make a "full harem" route and you are looking to make it more organic as well of making this game different to the previous.
I'll just continue to see how the game and history unfolds and see how it ends. I love your work and I really want to give this game a full run when is almost completed even if I have to work around some parts to get the "perfect" run for me.
Also I liked your previous game, fucking loved the netori route and all, I imagine this will be like a pseudo"harem" I think (I hope I am using that word correctly) just like the previous game, I "hate" that you are not able to see all the scenes and interactions in one run unlike SiC where you had the option to check on each girl without having to choose between one or other outside of some very few exceptions and you have to choose instead Pov with A, B or C (who knows maybe a madlad in the future will make a mod that allows you to pick all the other options as well an see the scenes as well, but I don't know if that could potentially mess with the code and crash the game). I wonder if changing the values with save editor would work on a similar way but I have the feeling that it won't.
Having to choose between LI's hit me hard bacause I have a tendency of wanting to check every scene but don't have that much time to replay the game and instead I end up creating a bunch of saves. But I understand the part that would be a lot of work to make a "full harem" route and you are looking to make it more organic as well of making this game different to the previous.
I'll just continue to see how the game and history unfolds and see how it ends. I love your work and I really want to give this game a full run when is almost completed even if I have to work around some parts to get the "perfect" run for me.
Hi Fronte91 !
Really liked your first game "Sharing is caring" and this one shapes up very nicely too! Good NTS, netori and couple scenes already. Never was a fan of NTR so I did not play these routes. Like the different girls and their personality. For instance, Ella is far more reluctant than Luna when it comes to sharing or NTR. At least going by the dialog. Ella states to a guy that he is lucky her boyfriend likes to share. Ella gets off on it too, but would not do it without your ok. Luna´s dialog on the other hand makes it clear that she would do it even if you did not agree to it.
On the Zoey NTS route there was a let down in my personal opinion in that afterwards you only spoke about borders with sharing her. It would have been great if you could have reclaimed Zoey directly after the bathroom romp, esp. if she is your girlfriend already.
Looking forward to more.
Really liked your first game "Sharing is caring" and this one shapes up very nicely too! Good NTS, netori and couple scenes already. Never was a fan of NTR so I did not play these routes. Like the different girls and their personality. For instance, Ella is far more reluctant than Luna when it comes to sharing or NTR. At least going by the dialog. Ella states to a guy that he is lucky her boyfriend likes to share. Ella gets off on it too, but would not do it without your ok. Luna´s dialog on the other hand makes it clear that she would do it even if you did not agree to it.
On the Zoey NTS route there was a let down in my personal opinion in that afterwards you only spoke about borders with sharing her. It would have been great if you could have reclaimed Zoey directly after the bathroom romp, esp. if she is your girlfriend already.
Looking forward to more.
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I appreciate the feedback!
The way the boundary system works is that to share a girl at all, you will need to enable sharing which now defaults the HJ boundary to shared as well. However, the rest of the boundaries will have the option for "other girls" only for the LIs who are Bi or Bi-curious. There will also be opportunities for MFF threesomes with the MC and two of the LIs regardless of sharing/boundaries, on high confidence paths of course.
My games really aren't meant to be "harem" themed, but I try to include a path for people who don't want the sharing content. It was easier for the previous game because it was fairly linear with only a handful of LIs, but this one is far more complex with many more LIs, so a harem route just wouldn't make sense. I highly recommend using the "Skip" function as much as possible to get to the different paths more quickly, but this game definitely will take more time to play through all the various paths.
Nice to see you again Turret, thank you for the feedback!
I had thought about having a reclaiming scene, but I think logically speaking since she's "sore" from her first time it makes more sense to me to have that scene the following day (spoilers lol). That logic will likely continue for the rest of the girls as well, with the exception of Ella and Sadie of course. Now that I think about it, I don't know if I included dialogue for Zoey being sore on the netorase path... Hmm, I may need to fix that lol.
I really appreciate the feedback! Thank you for your support, but please don't stress your finances on my account lol
sure, just go full confidence and tell all the girls you want them exclusivly for yourself
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Cheating is A+ tier, so of course I have to tell girls we're going exclusive. Not all of them, because it doesn't always seem right, but some. Ideally we'd be more than crush level before they fool around.
Kinsey Delmar I selected Exclusive, then after the dance or whatever, the Boys were sharing their successes and Simon shared a photo of Kinsey sucking his dick
And Aaron didn't remark about that specifically at all, just saying "kind of nice seeing my friends suck off guys" about all the pictures in general. But I told Kinsey no? Not going to think "Didn't I tell her I wanted us to be exclusive? She even said curiosity kills the cat, so that's a bad precedent... [Aaron likes sharing] But kind of exciting."?
Just feels like an oversight.
It's still very rough around the edges and a long way from finished of course. I like the light-hearted camaraderie of the boys and how sharing gets this atmosphere of lifting up their friends rather than solely being a kink, it's playful. As a whole there's a campy quality that's light but not obnoxiously stupid and that can be a tough tone to hit for some creators.
I look forward to Abigail and seeing what scenario is getting her railed behind the player's back. In part because of course NTR is great, but also genuinely curious how you're going to do it with the tunnel-visioned yandere.
More remarks for first experiences being with others would be good, especially if it happens despite telling the girl not to. Though, it has invariably less impact when you haven't gotten very close to her yet.
Good luck with it.
Kinsey Delmar I selected Exclusive, then after the dance or whatever, the Boys were sharing their successes and Simon shared a photo of Kinsey sucking his dick
And Aaron didn't remark about that specifically at all, just saying "kind of nice seeing my friends suck off guys" about all the pictures in general. But I told Kinsey no? Not going to think "Didn't I tell her I wanted us to be exclusive? She even said curiosity kills the cat, so that's a bad precedent... [Aaron likes sharing] But kind of exciting."?
Just feels like an oversight.
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It's still very rough around the edges and a long way from finished of course. I like the light-hearted camaraderie of the boys and how sharing gets this atmosphere of lifting up their friends rather than solely being a kink, it's playful. As a whole there's a campy quality that's light but not obnoxiously stupid and that can be a tough tone to hit for some creators.
I look forward to Abigail and seeing what scenario is getting her railed behind the player's back. In part because of course NTR is great, but also genuinely curious how you're going to do it with the tunnel-visioned yandere.
More remarks for first experiences being with others would be good, especially if it happens despite telling the girl not to. Though, it has invariably less impact when you haven't gotten very close to her yet.
Good luck with it.
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If you enable sharing or are playing low confidence, then no since that's kind of the main plot of the game. As Sossse mentioned if you play high confidence and make all the girls you engage with exclusive, then yes you can avoid sharing MC's girls with the nerds.
I appreciate the thorough feedback! It sounds like I need to reevaluate some of the logic to better react to neutral confidence and mixed sharing situations. I think I assumed that most players would go one way or the other, so I hadn't planned out neutral reactions very well lol.
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Don't cater to the Neutrals, make them take a stand! With enemies you at least know where you have them, but with Neutrals, who knows?!
Also, I've played through the last update now (or at least the paths I'm currently on) and I'm really enjoying it! Olivia is just so nice and soft and understanding. And it's going to be interesting in the future to play other paths and choose other girls.
Besides this I would like to add to the voices that asked for more dialogue to be written that reflect the MC's reactions to things that happen. It's the context of how and when girls are shared that is the big turn on. Otherwise it's just an pornographic image. What's in the game already is great, but those suggestions above I hadn't even thought of! Like how MC should react to the image of Sadie going to the prom with someone else, after that whole bathroom scene. A tiny conversation between them there would probably be hot.
I too would like more granularity in choosing which girls to court, since it's clear that we won't be able to have them all. But if Fronte91 doesn't change the game to accommodate this, since I understand it would require a lot of script and code rewrites, I won't be sad. It's clearly a game made to be replayed, and I'll be glad to do so.
Also, I've played through the last update now (or at least the paths I'm currently on) and I'm really enjoying it! Olivia is just so nice and soft and understanding. And it's going to be interesting in the future to play other paths and choose other girls.
Besides this I would like to add to the voices that asked for more dialogue to be written that reflect the MC's reactions to things that happen. It's the context of how and when girls are shared that is the big turn on. Otherwise it's just an pornographic image. What's in the game already is great, but those suggestions above I hadn't even thought of! Like how MC should react to the image of Sadie going to the prom with someone else, after that whole bathroom scene. A tiny conversation between them there would probably be hot.
I too would like more granularity in choosing which girls to court, since it's clear that we won't be able to have them all. But if Fronte91 doesn't change the game to accommodate this, since I understand it would require a lot of script and code rewrites, I won't be sad. It's clearly a game made to be replayed, and I'll be glad to do so.
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"If I don't survive this, tell my wife 'Hello.'" Gotta love classic Futurama lol.
Yeah, it looks like I'll be going back through the previous chapters again lol, but it's all good I think these suggestions make a lot of sense and will improve the storytelling
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As it is now, a decent chunk of the content is more or less the same with characters swapped out.
Even a lot of the words and vibes are the same, despite different personalities and, presumably, motivations. Go the dance and it'll be the same slight difference for confidence level, same choices, and either high confidence they go down on Aaron or low confidence they go down on someone else. On someone else, they'll say something to half-heartedly dismiss what they're doing, the guy doesn't believe it and thinks she just wants dick, and she sheepishly says n-no and Aaron doesn't believe it either.
There are differences, like Luna is a bit more lusty, Quinn says she wants to learn to impress her boyfriend, etc., but I think it's maybe one sentence each?
So, rather than replaying, it seems more like a game that you pick whichever girl you superficially like the most and you won't need to worry about replaying to see what scenes you missed.
I do like Quinn wanting to practice so she can do something impressive. The nerdy girl that cheats because she feels she'll be a better girlfriend if she has experience is a pretty under-utilized approach to NTR.
It generally didn't matter about confidence level, it's the mixed sharing situations that messed with it. But I did keep confidence -1 to +1 the first time through because I want to actually make progress with the girls and not miss out, but in the long term I want them to cheat.
The first time trying it, I expected the cheating to be much later, so keep confidence above the negatives but still low so I can quickly drop it down to negative once the relationships are solid and cheating starts. That was basically my logic. I didn't think it'd get start so quick.
NTR has little impact if this girl I just met and am only starting to get to know is getting slutty. She should at least be my crush, ideally my girlfriend. I know this isn't a slow-burn game, and I wouldn't try to change your mind on that, but just a little more restraint would make some of it land better.
Also I'm surprised you didn't expect mixed sharing. Though I picked based on who I thought would have better NTR content or who would have better NTS, I would think there's a decent number of people that would pick exclusive for girls they like and share the ones they aren't really interested in, while trying to get them all regardless.
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I appreciate the feedback! You make some fair points, I definitely need to flesh things out more for each character so the scenes feel more unique for each of them
Ok, one quick feedback I have: the fact that being "inconsistent" blocks confidence advancing if you've chosen even a single non-confident answer is a bit silly in my opinion. Not super impactful, but if it's an easy fix, I would probably add a tolerance of one or two choices to these.
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The way the logic works right now, it shouldn't block confidence from increasing due to only a single non-confident answer. At the end of each in-game day, if con (temporary confidence) is greater than 0, then perm_con (permanent confidence) is increased by 1. Most days have at least a few confidence choices that should allow you to choose one non-confident choice but still increase confidence at end of day. Then, when there's a confidence challenge, the logic is "if con + perm_con >= 0, then confidence path happens".
I'll double check the logic to make sure it's working the way I expect it to though, it's always possible I screwed something up lol
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Don't spoil things for me!
Nah, I'm just kidding. I am very glad that you are writing all this great feedback to the developer!I too hope there will be more variation based on personality and previous interactions. If I'm being very nice to Olivia at the swimming pool, let her be helped by the other guys at the football field (or not!), but let Gary take her to the dance, I think I should react appropriately to seeing the BJ-photo. Like a message of enthusiasm (or the opposite) to Olivia, or maybe it could come up in a future conversation! Just some flavour text that still contains meaning and purpose, not something that would require whole new renders made, of course!
ran into a bug when trying for exclusive playthrough:
Code:
I'm sorry, but an uncaught exception occurred.
While running game code:
ScriptError: could not find label 'ch2_jobhunt'.
-- Full Traceback ------------------------------------------------------------
Full traceback:
File "chapter_2.rpyc", line 1556, in script
File "E:\Programme\VisualNovel\SecretsandBoundaries\SecretsandBoundaries-0.0.4-pc\renpy\ast.py", line 1698, in execute
rv = renpy.game.script.lookup(target)
File "E:\Programme\VisualNovel\SecretsandBoundaries\SecretsandBoundaries-0.0.4-pc\renpy\script.py", line 1103, in lookup
raise ScriptError("could not find label '%s'." % str(original))
ScriptError: could not find label 'ch2_jobhunt'.
Windows-10-10.0.19045 AMD64
Ren'Py 8.2.1.24030407
Secrets and Boundaries 0.0.4
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Is this a recent download? I thought I had that issue fixed when I reuploaded the build, but I might have missed one