Ren'Py Seeds of Chaos [v0.4.05 Dev] [Vénus Noire]

[monk_56]

I think the difference is whether or not they would tattle to Rowan.

Either Andras or Jezera could easily just take Alexia and break her into being their obedient sex slave within a week at most. But they don't...why? Jezera maybe because she thinks the long game is more fun. But for Andras, this really isn't his style. The answer is they still need Rowan, and Rowan would stop behaving if they did anything like that to his wife.

So instead of forcing her, they seduce her. Make her give into her desires. Now she can't tell Rowan because she is guilty as well. They just asked Alexia if she wanted to have sex and she said yes. How is she going to tell Rowan something like that?

Helayna on the other hand. Well first lets start with why they would just let Rowan have Helayna. First, Helayna leads Rowan to a path of temptation which make him easier to win over/manipulate. And Second, he wanted so desperately to save her that he was willing to put his wife aside to do so, which means that having her in their clutches is at least equally as important as having Alexia.

Of course, due to the horny ring either twin could fuck Helayna far more easily than they could Alexia. But that ring also means Helayna doesn't have to worry about telling Rowan what happen. Rowan is already aware that she is incapable of resisting so he wouldn't blame her for giving in. Therefore Helenya has nothing to lose by telling Rowan if either twin breaks their promise to leave her to Rowan. Which may lead Rowan to stop behaving, after all if they are going to rape people that he cares about when ever they feel like it, why should he keep working for them.

Howeever if you don't claim Helayna, they will fuck her some to put Rowan in his place, because he does care for her somewhat at least. But once again she's already broken so she doesn't have much appeal to them apart from any effects it would have on Rowan.

Kinda a cool line of reasoning you formed there to try to differentiate their situations- though honestly I think messing with Alexia is just as moronic for them as messing with Hel is, it just isn't as tempting because she is already broken by the ring / it isn't the heroes actual wife.

Jezera logics her desire to fuck with Alexia away as a manipulation- I think she knows it is a bad idea at heart but simply cannot resist, so convinces herself otherwise.

Andras is a horny teenager with daddy issues. Bro has 13 y/o fuck boy energy.

Neither of them would mess with Alexia if they they were applying sound reasoning. They simply cannot resist doing it due to their whimsy and weak-wills. The NTR paths almost feel forced in how completely moronic they are regarding the Twins end game. The fact that they haven't been revealed to Rowan by like week 30-40 is honestly the biggest piece of plot armor in the game.

 

[Jynx_lucky_j]

Questions-

1-Do the 3dollar per month patreon subs get the game? or is it for 5dollars and above only?

$5+ gets you the backer build (this is what gets posted here). $25+ gets you the developer build, " which allows you to increase gold, add buildings, and complete research instantly, as well as trigger any event at will."

2-is there a way to not have a recurring charge as in i do not have a credit card so can i use the debit card to only get a months membership ?

PAtreon is built around reoccurring charges, but there is nothing stopping you from paying for the month, downloading what you want, then immediately canceling your membership. (you'll still have access for the month you paid for btw)

3- Can someone explain why steam gets updated so late and is so much costly coz it actually accepts debit cards and no recurring charges as well
thank u.

Patrons get special treatment because they financially contribute a lot more over time. If you patreon for 4 month you've paid as much as the one time steam purchase, and it just keeps growing from there. And that reoccurring payment is key to keep the project going, it is a (somewhat) steady source of income that the devs can use to budget and plan for the future. In the end, while steam purchases do certainly help, the is the patreons that keep the lights on month after month.

 

[Skantarios]

They simply cannot resist doing it due to their whimsy and weak-wills.

I like flaws and vulnerabilities in my villains but honestly the twins feel a bit too flawed and vulnerable.

The twins have minor villain energy. The height of their achievement realistically would have been to get exterminated after failing to assault Ravee keep (although I'm sure Jezera would find a way to escape).

Rowan's hyper competency and infallible compliance magic artifacts they admittedly lucked into is the only reason anything at all happened.

Can you imagine if Rowan refused service and died? They'd be stuck as leaders of an orc raiding party at best.
Andras does considerably more harm than good in scaring away prospective servants and allies and Jezera for all her pretenses of subtlety turns to murdering a potential ally the moment things don't go her away. Their impulses constantly lead them to ruin and then they have to go running to Rowan for a solution.

An actually evil or at least power hungry Rowan is ten times scarier than the twins. The only times he does dumb stuff is when I make him do it because I think its funny/wanna see what happens.

 

[Jynx_lucky_j]

Questions-

1-Do the 3dollar per month patreon subs get the game? or is it for 5dollars and above only?
2-is there a way to not have a recurring charge as in i do not have a credit card so can i use the debit card to only get a months membership ?
3- Can someone explain why steam gets updated so late and is so much costly coz it actually accepts debit cards and no recurring charges as well
thank u.

Quick addendum to my previous post:

Personally, I don't think Patreon should be used with the mindset of purchasing a product. I think Patreon should generally be used for if you want to throw some spare money at the creator because you like what they do, and you want to make sure they are able to keep doing it.
If you want to purchase a product you are better off going to Steam, and if you can't wait for the steam updates come here for the patreon version every other update.

 

[Yandere Lust]

They are not allowed on Patreon so it is not even theoretically possible.
Patreon lash out even on much less controversial kinks.

Erotic hypnosis was banned because it demonstrated a power dynamic in which someone did not have the power to say no, and Patreon does not allow for anything non-consensual. Body transformation was banned because it demonstrated someone being forced to change their body for someone.
Any kink that can be considered violent, such as the sadism and masochism dynamic depicted in BDSM.
This also create self censorship when writer constantly has thoughts like : "did i cross the line here or im still ok? better not risk it."

The only reason they stay on patreon is because they think they will get the most money.
Sadly that also means writers will have less creative freedom and we in the end less refined content.

What a joke; I can't take anyone who adheres to absurd policies like that seriously. I'd prefer Patreon to not even exist if that's truly the state of things. Oh boo hoo, you have to take a chance on a more libertarian platform. You might make 10% or so less funds on SubscribeStar. Please. Sacrificing your creative freedom to adhere to authoritarians for a few extra bucks is the definition of pathetic. How can someone expect people to respect their work when they don't even respect their self? Forgoing essential liberty for a small increase in security is true folly. They should at the bare minimum have a patch to implement an uncensored version of the art and dialogue off Patreon. If for nothing else, to respect their original vision and stay true to the hopes and desires of their customers and fans. People truly are without virtue or conviction in these dark times. They instead desperately lick at the boot of their corporate overlords in hopes of getting an extra treat. Blegh.

 

[Fyo]

Consider this too: If you have a totally blank slate, that's suspicious too. Most things just pile up unlooked at unless you're distributing CP or something super fucked up. They don't care that much since its too much hassle to really police literally everyone.
But you have nothing? They know you're covering your tracks. And more so than just for torrents and the like. That raises more red flags than your bank account going to a 2D porn game.

Think of it more like a hobby. I don't have anything to hide, really, and nobody really cares, but just like some people like cars, I like privacy. Plus I think privacy is a natural right. This is getting off topic though, so I'll leave it there.

 

[DarkDank]

I think the difference is whether or not they would tattle to Rowan.

Either Andras or Jezera could easily just take Alexia and break her into being their obedient sex slave within a week at most. But they don't...why? Jezera maybe because she thinks the long game is more fun. But for Andras, this really isn't his style. The answer is they still need Rowan, and Rowan would stop behaving if they did anything like that to his wife.

So instead of forcing her, they seduce her. Make her give into her desires. Now she can't tell Rowan because she is guilty as well. They just asked Alexia if she wanted to have sex and she said yes. How is she going to tell Rowan something like that?

Helayna on the other hand. Well first lets start with why they would just let Rowan have Helayna. First, Helayna leads Rowan to a path of temptation which make him easier to win over/manipulate. And Second, he wanted so desperately to save her that he was willing to put his wife aside to do so, which means that having her in their clutches is at least equally as important as having Alexia.

Of course, due to the horny ring either twin could fuck Helayna far more easily than they could Alexia. But that ring also means Helayna doesn't have to worry about telling Rowan what happen. Rowan is already aware that she is incapable of resisting so he wouldn't blame her for giving in. Therefore Helenya has nothing to lose by telling Rowan if either twin breaks their promise to leave her to Rowan. Which may lead Rowan to stop behaving, after all if they are going to rape people that he cares about when ever they feel like it, why should he keep working for them.

Howeever if you don't claim Helayna, they will fuck her some to put Rowan in his place, because he does care for her somewhat at least. But once again she's already broken so she doesn't have much appeal to them apart from any effects it would have on Rowan.

You make good points, but they're still not above opportunity.
Andras bangs Alexia after the Wulump had its way with her, which again she doesn't remember. Andras could just lead Helayna to the Wulump when Rowan is gone for a week or something, leave her to the Wulump for a day or two, her mind is broken, have his way, then bring her back to Rowan's room to sleep it off and forget. Rowan might find it odd, but he'd have no proof. Some magic bullshit or maybe The Ring had a side effect. Might build suspicion but Rowan is suspicious of everything.

Jezera with her first sexual encounter with Alexia gives her magic hypnotic/aphrodisiac tea, that makes her horny and have a hazy grasp of reality. It's only a foot in the door long term, but got her to 69ing Alexia within their first sexual encounter. That she could have denied and pretended didn't happen if she wanted and Alexia would have no proof and just a hazy recollection.

I'm not saying these scenes are bad, they're some of my favorites. But it illustrates them being horny and opportunistic.

 

[Jynx_lucky_j]

You make good points, but they're still not above opportunity.
Andras bangs Alexia after the Wulump had its way with her, which again she doesn't remember. Andras could just lead Helayna to the Wulump when Rowan is gone for a week or something, leave her to the Wulump for a day or two, her mind is broken, have his way, then bring her back to Rowan's room to sleep it off and forget. Rowan might find it odd, but he'd have no proof. Some magic bullshit or maybe The Ring had a side effect. Might build suspicion but Rowan is suspicious of everything.

Jezera with her first sexual encounter with Alexia gives her magic hypnotic/aphrodisiac tea, that makes her horny and have a hazy grasp of reality. It's only a foot in the door long term, but got her to 69ing Alexia within their first sexual encounter. That she could have denied and pretended didn't happen if she wanted and Alexia would have no proof and just a hazy recollection.

I'm not saying these scenes are bad, they're some of my favorites. But it illustrates them being horny and opportunistic.

Keep in mind that Alexia had spent a month with the wulump to reach the state she was in. We do know that it wasn't until week 3 the the wulump completely subsumed her mind. And Jezera tells us that Alexia will have hazy memories of the last few weeks. Presumably, Alexia at least knows that she was sent to the wulump and that she was thoroughly violated, but no details. At very least it is not suggested that she will have zero recollection of it. Now in this case there is no point in Alexia telling Rowan what happened, because Rowan gave the okay for the twins to do what they want with her as punishment. However, if they did the same to Helayna, with a couple days in with the wulump and a couple days recovery, it wouldn't have nearly enough time to fully effect her mind. Heleyna would surely remember that she was sent to the wulump and be able to tell Rowan that much at very least.

As for Jezera's aphrodisiac, she also pulls a similar trick with Greyhide on both Rowan and Alexia. So we know a couple things about it. One it is subtle enough that it isn't obvious that you've been drugged after the fact. And two, it isn't a garanteed effect, it can be resisted. It makes you horny and clouds your thoughts, but it doesn't take away your free will and you still know what you are doing. In both cases after the fact Alexia doesn't react like she knows she's been drugged, she reacts like she thinks it was her choice, a mistaken choice but her choice none the less. Otherwise she would likely have gone to Rowan and said that Jezera drugged and raped her.

But yes, the twins are certainly horny, opportunistic, and take entirely unnecessary risks in this regard. But I also think there is a method to thier madness. In Jezera's case, if she can control Alexia without Rowan knowing that gives her far greater control over Rowan himself. In Andras' case I suspect he wants to prove that he is more man that the hero that killed his father by stealing Rowan's woman for himself.

 

[monk_56]

You make good points, but they're still not above opportunity.
Andras bangs Alexia after the Wulump had its way with her, which again she doesn't remember. Andras could just lead Helayna to the Wulump when Rowan is gone for a week or something, leave her to the Wulump for a day or two, her mind is broken, have his way, then bring her back to Rowan's room to sleep it off and forget. Rowan might find it odd, but he'd have no proof. Some magic bullshit or maybe The Ring had a side effect. Might build suspicion but Rowan is suspicious of everything.

Jezera with her first sexual encounter with Alexia gives her magic hypnotic/aphrodisiac tea, that makes her horny and have a hazy grasp of reality. It's only a foot in the door long term, but got her to 69ing Alexia within their first sexual encounter. That she could have denied and pretended didn't happen if she wanted and Alexia would have no proof and just a hazy recollection.

I'm not saying these scenes are bad, they're some of my favorites. But it illustrates them being horny and opportunistic.

Ah yes- because a Rowan who has Hel in his room every night won't start to wonder where the fuck Hel went after she spends weeks in the Wulump dungeon getting raped and primed for Andras to rape her like he raped Alexia after she spent weeks in the Wulump dungeon getting raped by the Wulump.

Hopefully they keep the Cuck/Rape and Rowan/Romance paths of Hel exclusive from each-other.

Alexia's content is already annoying enough because of it. Hate for the good side of Hel's good content to start looking like that too.

Two binary paths is much cleaner and more enjoyable.

 

[DarkDank]

Ah yes- because a Rowan who has Hel in his room every night won't start to wonder where the fuck Hel went after she spends weeks in the Wulump dungeon getting raped and primed for Andras to rape her like he raped Alexia after she spent weeks in the Wulump dungeon getting raped by the Wulump.

Hopefully they keep the Cuck/Rape and Rowan/Romance paths of Hel exclusive from each-other.

Alexia's content is already annoying enough because of it. Hate for the good side of Hel's good content to start looking like that too.

Two binary paths is much cleaner and more enjoyable.

Rowan isn't at home every night. You know, the whole adventuring for a week at a time part of the game?
Besides, it's not even binary already.
Jezera has Helayana bodyguard whilst she fucks random women, knowing the ring is making Helayna horny as fuck witnessing it.

 

[monk_56]

Rowan isn't at home every night. You know, the whole adventuring for a week at a time part of the game?
Besides, it's not even binary already.
Jezera has Helayana bodyguard whilst she fucks random women, knowing the ring is making Helayna horny as fuck witnessing it.

Do you even read the plot bro? Hel isn't body-guarding Jezera; she went there to ask to get the ring removed.

That side of the plot is about her resisting the ring's effects not succumbing to it.

Keep it Binary- we don't need cuck plots on both sides of her narrative Maybe she can get raped by the Wulump on the other side of her path for those of you who like rape plots.

 

[HentaiGamerN00b]

They are not allowed on Patreon so it is not even theoretically possible.
Patreon lash out even on much less controversial kinks.

Erotic hypnosis was banned because it demonstrated a power dynamic in which someone did not have the power to say no, and Patreon does not allow for anything non-consensual. Body transformation was banned because it demonstrated someone being forced to change their body for someone.
Any kink that can be considered violent, such as the sadism and masochism dynamic depicted in BDSM.
This also create self censorship when writer constantly has thoughts like : "did i cross the line here or im still ok? better not risk it."

The only reason they stay on patreon is because they think they will get the most money.
Sadly that also means writers will have less creative freedom and we in the end less refined content.

Patreon...

 

[Rivina]

Patreon...
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Yup. My face when they nuked Erotic Hypnosis:

 

[Lolicon Kami]

An actually evil or at least power hungry Rowan is ten times scarier than the twins. The only times he does dumb stuff is when I make him do it because I think its funny/wanna see what happens.

Which is why I hope that one day, Rowan will have the option to execute Andras and make Jezera his concubine...

And when that day comes, hopefully Rowan will be able to build a sexy, smutty (but not rapey) sex utopia

 

[DarkDank]

Do you even read the plot bro? Hel isn't body-guarding Jezera; she went there to ask to get the ring removed.

That side of the plot is about her resisting the ring's effects not succumbing to it.

Keep it Binary- we don't need cuck plots on both sides of her narrative Maybe she can get raped by the Wulump on the other side of her path for those of you who like rape plots.

I was mostly looking at internal consistency of the plot. The twins trying is not the same as them succeeding. I felt it awkward they didn't try until Winter clarified.
And for my part, I'm not a fan of Andras content really.
Jezera though, hot demon purple ass, I am. Specifically because I believe at the end of that route, you'll have Rowan fucking both Jezera along with Alexia, and whomever else as the dominant.
And lesbian sex is hot.

 

[Zero1994]

Which is why I hope that one day, Rowan will have the option to execute Andras and make Jezera his concubine...

And when that day comes, hopefully Rowan will be able to build a sexy, smutty (but not rapey) sex utopia
[/COTIZAR]

After a moment of carelessness, Jezera tears off his penis and balls from a modisco while teaching him intrigues and how to have no mercy for not eliminating the most dangerous twin.

Greetings

 

[monk_56]

I was mostly looking at internal consistency of the plot. The twins trying is not the same as them succeeding. I felt it awkward they didn't try until Winter clarified.
And for my part, I'm not a fan of Andras content really.
Jezera though, hot demon purple ass, I am. Specifically because I believe at the end of that route, you'll have Rowan fucking both Jezera along with Alexia, and whomever else as the dominant.
And lesbian sex is hot.

I see what you mean in regards to internal consistency. The bit about the Twins being opportunists is absolutely true. The specific example of the Wulump just woundn't translate well into Hel's plot due to its timing considerations (also it'd be lame to have that sort of crap on the Romance pathing).

Many years in the future perhaps we will get that sort of content with Jezera. It was Hel's dream to watch Jez get dommed by Rowan. Hel absolutely hates Jez- for good reasons.

Les content is super hot- when it is a couple, poly, or open relationship and consenting.

 

[Skantarios]

Specifically because I believe at the end of that route, you'll have Rowan fucking both Jezera along with Alexia, and whomever else as the dominant.

Jezera only enters sexual situations where she's dominant. Even in a traditionally submissive position she has all the control, topping from the bottom as it were.

The only way we have a threesome is where Jez has the couple completely under her spell. You are either under her or you kill her. Her nature won't allow for anything else. She might play the part of the content mistress and act totally redeemed for a couple of years just waiting for the opportunity to take revenge. Rowan will regret not killing her.

That said Jezera wants both of them and did make a comment to the effect of wanting one sucking on each tit. I might be misremembering but she 100% wants both as her pets.

And lesbian sex is hot.

Ok. Would you ever be happy with a female character being straight or must they be perpetually tempted by another woman for you to be satisfied with the storyline direction?

I am not bashing you and don't want this to come out as if I am. I want to know, I am honestly happy with a girl being totally straight or totally gay because it feels like in every porn game with more than one love interest 90% of girls are bisexual and honestly I find it trite at this point. They either start liking women so the MC doesn't have to choose between love interests or they were gay and the MC is such a James Bond level of smoldering seduction that they turned bi just for him.

I guess I'm saying I like my female characters to be defined and not upend their entire personalities/lives/sexuality for whatever is convenient or titillating for the MC (or even me the player).

 

[Rivina]

The only way we have a threesome is where Jez has the couple completely under her spell. You are either under her or you kill her. Her nature won't allow for anything else. She might play the part of the content mistress and act totally redeemed for a couple of years just waiting for the opportunity to take revenge. Rowan will regret not killing her.

That's why you don't invite her into bed until you've completely brain-burned her into having no thoughts other than sex and not randomly emptying her bowels. She wont be safe till she's functionally retarded.

 

[Skantarios]

She wont be safe till she's functionally retarded.

You know what's even safer? Killed with a hammer covered in nails wrapped in barbed wire soaked in melted glass and riddled with lava until she's paste and then keep going until she is ashes. Then Rowan pisses on it.

For real though I'm sure there will be a future option of a power up to make a tyrant/Demigod version of Rowan that can overtake and, if he chooses so, sexually enslave the twins. I don't see any version of Rowan that isn't pure dictatorial evil effectively dominating them though. Even variations of ruthless Rowan would probably go for the certainty of death.