Ren'Py Seeds of Chaos [v0.4.06] [Vénus Noire]

[Jynx_lucky_j]

How do the mechanics of decisions work exactly?
For example, at certain points Rowan can give in to Jezera's advances but when making that decision, how much control do we have over Rowan's train of thought?
Can you play it so that you give in to make Jezera think she is weakening your resistance, or is giving in to her automaticly corrupting Rowan and we have no control over that?

In the world of this game corruption is a tangible thing. It isn't some abstract notion, it actually exists. Essentially you can't drink the poison with out getting poisoned regardless of how good your intentions were.

What you are trying to do is similar to an undercover officer taking drugs to maintain his cover among criminals. If he takes the drugs the drugs will have an effect on him. But if he is careful and vigilant he may be able to avoid becoming addicted to the drugs, but if he lets gets caught up in it he will become addicted. Just as the addicted officer could still bust the criminals in the end but will himself be a criminal when he keeps taking illegal drugs, a corrupted Rowan can still overthrow the twins but he will be an agent of chaos himself.

Generally the way the game is written, when you have low corruption and you have Rowan commit a corrupting act he sees himself as making a sacrifice for the greater good or doing what he must. However, as the corruption builds he starts wanting to do the acts and sees himself as justified.

So yes you can "fake" giving in to ingratiate yourself with the twins, but if you give in too much you'll soon find you aren't really faking it any more.

 

[Stil996]

In the world of this game corruption is a tangible thing. It isn't some abstract notion, it actually exists. Essentially you can't drink the poison with out getting poisoned regardless of how good your intentions were.

What you are trying to do is similar to an undercover officer taking drugs to maintain his cover among criminals. If he takes the drugs the drugs will have an effect on him. But if he is careful and vigilant he may be able to avoid becoming addicted to the drugs, but if he lets gets caught up in it he will become addicted. Just as the addicted officer could still bust the criminals in the end but will himself be a criminal when he keeps taking illegal drugs, a corrupted Rowan can still overthrow the twins but he will be an agent of chaos himself.

Generally the way the game is written, when you have low corruption and you have Rowan commit a corrupting act he sees himself as making a sacrifice for the greater good or doing what he must. However, as the corruption builds he starts wanting to do the acts and sees himself as justified.

So yes you can "fake" giving in to ingratiate yourself with the twins, but if you give in too much you'll soon find you aren't really faking it any more.

One of the things that gets me (correct me if I got this wrong), is that the sex scenes with Jezera represent you "losing", getting corrupted and submitting to her power, what if you want have sex with her because you want to have sex with all the fems, because you want to seduce her, eventually enslaving her (pipe dreams I'm sure, but worthly of a path in it's own right IMO).
She failed to corrupt me.... I've always been this way

(I realise that what I say here sounds like some of what you aready said, but all the sex scenes with Jez always feel like a loss to me, like I'm submitting to being her toy when I really want options to attempt reversals, grab her in ways she didn't choose to be grabbed and make her cum anyway, gradually making her more and more willing to submit to my whims)

 

[Jynx_lucky_j]

How does the game choose which event to play? I can replay the game 5 times without getting the event that i want. Also, were the fae removed from the map?

Many events are pseudo random. Others have requirements that may not be immediately apparent. If you let us know which scene you are looking for we might be able to help you out.

All fairy events, except for the arrival of the emissaries, have been removed pending a major rework of the fairies.

 

[Stil996]

....All fairy events, except for the arrival of the emissaries, have been removed pending a major rework of the fairies....

Booooo...... Wait I mean ...... Yaaay , more fairies please, are there any firm plans on when we can expect to see the return of the fairies?

 

[Rein]

One of the things that gets me (correct me if I got this wrong), is that the sex scenes with Jezera represent you "losing", getting corrupted and submitting to her power,

You know, this is something I think about a lot. In many porn games, sex scenes only happen because the heroine has failed or lost in some way. Sexual submission feels like a failure. While I the player obviously works against the heroine, throwing the fight intentionally always leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Ideally sexual submission to Jezera shouldn't feel like a complete defeat.

It should be like... Winning, but in reverse.

 

[Stil996]

You know, this is something I think about a lot. In many porn games, sex scenes only happen because the heroine has failed or lost in some way. Sexual submission feels like a failure. While I the player obviously works against the heroine, throwing the fight intentionally always leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Ideally sexual submission to Jezera shouldn't feel like a complete defeat.

It should be like... Winning, but in reverse.

There are times I want to submit, and times I want to assert myself, feels to me that Jezera might even enjoy one of her toys asserting itself from time to time, give her a taste of the road less traveled, mix things up a little.

 

[aykarin]

You know, this is something I think about a lot. In many porn games, sex scenes only happen because the heroine has failed or lost in some way. Sexual submission feels like a failure. While I the player obviously works against the heroine, throwing the fight intentionally always leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Ideally sexual submission to Jezera shouldn't feel like a complete defeat.

It should be like... Winning, but in reverse.

Getting Jezera to dominate you is always like winning

 

[gregro]

How to start Liuriel orgasm denial events? I can only get blowjow and confine her

 

[aykarin]

How to start Liuriel orgasm denial events? I can only get blowjow and confine her

Further events with Liurial are dependent on RNG. So unfortunately you must wait for them to happen randomly or activate them through the console

 

[TheLastNarwhal]

I recognize that I should probably do a search before posting the following, just to make sure it's not already available, but I already took the time to make this list, so I'm just gonna post. If it turns out it's already available, well, that's just some wasted time on my part. Not a big deal. XD

Cheats: This is a list of what I believe to be the most useful commands. There were others that I found, but they were a bit suspect as to whether they would "break" the game. At least with this list you can always undo what you've changed, but you should still keep a backup save just in case.
(Note: to enable "cheats" open the 00console.rpy file found inside of renpy/common/ and change the line config.console = False to True. While in the game hold shift+o to open the console.)

Gold:
1)Add/Remove gold from the treasury:

castle.treasury += numerical-value​

castle.treasury -= numerical-value​

2)Add/Remove gold from inventory:

avatar.gold += numerical-value​

avatar.gold -= numerical-value​

Character Cheats:
1)Add/Remove experience:

avatar.exp += numerical-value​

avatar.exp -= numerical-value​

2)Add/Remove skill points:

avatar.skill_points_available += numerical-value​

avatar.skill_points_available -= numerical-value​

3)Add/Remove skill levels(for X inside of the " " replace with full lower-case skill name):

avatar.skills["X"].level += numerical-value​

avatar.skills["X"].level -= numerical-value​

4)Add/Subtract your character's level(level only, no skills added):

avatar.lvl += numerical-value​

avatar.lvl -= numerical-value​

5)Add/Remove your character's corruption(max seems to be 100):

avatar.corruption += numerical-value​

avatar.corruption -= numerical-value​

6)Add/Remove your character's guilt(max seems to be 100):

avatar.guilt += numerical-value​

avatar.guilt -= numerical-value​

7)Add/Remove movement points during exploration:

avatar.mp += numerical-value​

avatar.mp -= numerical-value​

8)Heal your wounds(haven't checked, never wounded, should work):

avatar.heal_injuries​

Castle Cheats:
1)Add/Remove castle morale (maximum morale you can reach is 100):

castle.morale += numerical-value​

castle.morale -= numerical-value​

2)Add/Remove prisoners in the dungeon:

castle.buildings['dungeon'].prisoners += numerical-value​

castle.buildings['dungeon'].prisoners -= numerical-value​

 

[Semantics]

I recognize that I should probably do a search before posting the following, just to make sure it's not already available, but I already took the time to make this list, so I'm just gonna post. If it turns out it's already available, well, that's just some wasted time on my part. Not a big deal. XD

Cheats: This is a list of what I believe to be the most useful commands. There were others that I found, but they were a bit suspect as to whether they would "break" the game. At least with this list you can always undo what you've changed, but you should still keep a backup save just in case.
(Note: to enable "cheats" open the 00console.rpy file found inside of renpy/common/ and change the line config.console = False to True. While in the game hold shift+o to open the console.)

Gold:
1)Add/Remove gold from the treasury:

castle.treasury += numerical-value​

castle.treasury -= numerical-value​

2)Add/Remove gold from inventory:

avatar.gold += numerical-value​

avatar.gold -= numerical-value​

Character Cheats:
1)Add/Remove experience:

avatar.exp += numerical-value​

avatar.exp -= numerical-value​

2)Add/Remove skill points:

avatar.skill_points_available += numerical-value​

avatar.skill_points_available -= numerical-value​

3)Add/Remove skill levels(for X inside of the " " replace with full lower-case skill name):

avatar.skills["X"].level += numerical-value​

avatar.skills["X"].level -= numerical-value​

4)Add/Subtract your character's level(level only, no skills added):

avatar.lvl += numerical-value​

avatar.lvl -= numerical-value​

5)Add/Remove your character's corruption(max seems to be 100):

avatar.corruption += numerical-value​

avatar.corruption -= numerical-value​

6)Add/Remove your character's guilt(max seems to be 100):

avatar.guilt += numerical-value​

avatar.guilt -= numerical-value​

7)Add/Remove movement points during exploration:

avatar.mp += numerical-value​

avatar.mp -= numerical-value​

8)Heal your wounds(haven't checked, never wounded, should work):

avatar.heal_injuries​

Castle Cheats:
1)Add/Remove castle morale (maximum morale you can reach is 100):

castle.morale += numerical-value​

castle.morale -= numerical-value​

2)Add/Remove prisoners in the dungeon:

castle.buildings['dungeon'].prisoners += numerical-value​

castle.buildings['dungeon'].prisoners -= numerical-value​

My list doesn't contain the heal.injuries or prisoners commands, so definitely not a waste even though there was a list.

 

[iainmore]

So we will have to start a new game with all the changes and expected changes. Sheesh again!!!!

 

[rattatat]

Is there an updated changelog?

 

[Jynx_lucky_j]

One of the things that gets me (correct me if I got this wrong), is that the sex scenes with Jezera represent you "losing", getting corrupted and submitting to her power, what if you want have sex with her because you want to have sex with all the fems, because you want to seduce her, eventually enslaving her (pipe dreams I'm sure, but worthly of a path in it's own right IMO).
She failed to corrupt me.... I've always been this way

(I realise that what I say here sounds like some of what you aready said, but all the sex scenes with Jez always feel like a loss to me, like I'm submitting to being her toy when I really want options to attempt reversals, grab her in ways she didn't choose to be grabbed and make her cum anyway, gradually making her more and more willing to submit to my whims)

That is by design. The twins see themselves as Rowans masters. So they aren't about to willingly put you in a position that would put you above them. And it isn't just sex, they both respond poorly, and often violently, to any situation where they don't feel 100% in charge. All you sexual interactions with either twin is often just as much about putting Rowan in his place as it is about any sexual gratification.

There is actually a scene called jezera_slave_reward is which Jezera is teasing Rowan and you have the option to try to take a dominate role. If you do Jezera will let Rowan think he is having his way with her for a little bit before turning the tables back around and putting Rowan back his place. Then there is a scene between Jezera and Shaya, jezera_and_shaya_personal_time, in which Jezera orders Shaya to top her in a roleplay, and even here half way through Jezera turns it around and takes control of the session. These scenes tell me that Jezera is not really interested in taking a submissive role. In every case she will make sure you know who is really in charge by the end.

I'm sure there will come a time when Rowan can successfully turn the tables on her but in order to do that he will need to be in a position where she can't retaliate against him.

So we will have to start a new game with all the changes and expected changes. Sheesh again!!!!

A lot of people just use the unren.bat tool to enable the debug mode or the Seeds of Chaos Extended Scene Replay Mod to just view the new scenes. Or if you if you've been through the game a few times and have seen most the paths you could just turn on "Skip All Messages" in the settings menu than just blast through any scenes I've seen before. Still others wait until there have been a few updates until they feel like there is enough new content to justify a replay.

Is there an updated changelog?

Spoiler: Changelog

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[Jynx_lucky_j]

Booooo...... Wait I mean ...... Yaaay , more fairies please, are there any firm plans on when we can expect to see the return of the fairies?

Earlier this week,

(((snip))) Regarding the Fae, I can tell you that Hooky is chomping at the bit to work on it.

So hopefully we will start getting fae content in the relatively near future.

 

[T51bwinterized]

How to start Liuriel orgasm denial events? I can only get blowjow and confine her

Temp disabled. I'm focusing first on getting her new core arc done before I work my way through all the older repeatables and the like. Most of them will *largely* stay as is though.

 

[Fleep]

- Two repeatable maid events now include malicious gossip about Rowan's activities, if the player has NTR enabled but has yet to pledge Alexia to either of the twins. Should Alexia give them faith, her score with Rowan will start to deteriorate, to the point where NTR entry events can trigger

What does this actually mean? Like, if I have NTR enabled because I like to live dangerously but I have managed to avoid any NTR route, Alexia may decide to go to one of the twins by herself?

 

[Jynx_lucky_j]

What does this actually mean? Like, if I have NTR enabled because I like to live dangerously but I have managed to avoid any NTR route, Alexia may decide to go to one of the twins by herself?

No. In the event, maids gossip about how Rowan is probably sleeping with various people. Alexia can then choose to either believe the rumor or dismiss it. If she believes it, it will lower her relationship status with Rowan. Having a relationship below 50 is a prerequisite for triggering the NTR paths, so this event can help you reach that threshold. However even if you have a relationship of zero, you can still have Alexia choose to rebuff any advances from the twins or anyone else for that manner. Maybe she's decided everyone is an asshole and they can all fuck each other for all she cares

 

[kamuk_4185]

Is there pregnancy yet on this game? If so, who all can be impregnated?

 

[Jynx_lucky_j]

Is there pregnancy yet on this game? If so, who all can be impregnated?

There is no impregnation in the game yet, though there are two characters that are very interested in being impregnated by Rowan.

There is also a possible sex scene with human human slave in the Orcaid camp who is very pregnant already. And some people suspect that Rowan may have impregnated Maud if you had sex with her and she survives the attack on the capital. But we will have to what until Act 2 before we can get any verification on that.