Ren'Py Seeds of Chaos [v0.4.06] [Vénus Noire]

[monk_56]

Because you can't have an overlord path without Jezera sex scenes? If you don't want to be a sub, don't sleep with Jezera.

Making the primary antagonists submit sexually is pretty crucial to an overlord path in my mind- particularly since Jezera specifically uses sex and sexuality as a form of power and control. Gotta grab that uno-reverse card on her bitch ass at some point. What is the point of making such absolutely despicable antagonists if we cannot get all sorts of flavors of cathartic revenge?

For non-antagonist characters I agree. Where the fem-dom is more about what happens in the bedroom and less about antagonsim/control it doesn't matter. X'zaratl's content being fem-dom for example. So far it has been harmless fun and I've been happy to have Rowan submit to her and Alexia. It wouldn't detract from Overlord pathing to never have more dominant scenes with her.

 

[perles75]

with the current balance of power, if Jezera is dominated in a scene it's because she wants it (basically a role-playing): Rowan has no real control. I can't imagine any other scenario considering how her mind is wired. (same for Andras)

Of course, things can -and probably will, in some paths- change in the future (it will be interesting to see how), but the whole act I and probably a big chunk of the future is like that.

 

[perles75]

This game would have been much better if they had kept the original artist and if they didnt go back and rewrite everything. It had great potential to be the best game in existence, and then they began the rewrites and hired an artist who can't hold a candle to the original one, and let him erase the previous work. Too bad, its a cautionary tale of impermanence in games.

*in your opinion

 

[gamingdevil800]

This game would have been much better if they had kept the original artist and if they didnt go back and rewrite everything. It had great potential to be the best game in existence, and then they began the rewrites and hired an artist who can't hold a candle to the original one, and let him erase the previous work. Too bad, its a cautionary tale of impermanence in games.

I don't believe you've actually seen some of the "original" art for certain scenes. Loads of sex scenes in this game had really cartoony or inconsistent art till they started replacing them.

 

[Rein]

With the variety of content this game has, people should stop trying to categorize SoC. Just play the game, see for yourself if you like it.

 

[Nym85]

Making the primary antagonists submit sexually is pretty crucial to an overlord path in my mind- particularly since Jezera specifically uses sex and sexuality as a form of power and control. Gotta grab that uno-reverse card on her bitch ass at some point. What is the point of making such absolutely despicable antagonists if we cannot get all sorts of flavors of cathartic revenge?

For non-antagonist characters I agree. Where the fem-dom is more about what happens in the bedroom and less about antagonsim/control it doesn't matter. X'zaratl's content being fem-dom for example. So far it has been harmless fun and I've been happy to have Rowan submit to her and Alexia. It wouldn't detract from Overlord pathing to never have more dominant scenes with her.

Fully agree that this is something that should happen. But logically it would be something that happens in the final act, maybe at the finale for the second act. So you know, a decade from now.

 

[diebesgrab]

Making the primary antagonists submit sexually is pretty crucial to an overlord path in my mind- particularly since Jezera specifically uses sex and sexuality as a form of power and control. Gotta grab that uno-reverse card on her bitch ass at some point. What is the point of making such absolutely despicable antagonists if we cannot get all sorts of flavors of cathartic revenge?

Which makes sense—at the end of the story. Having equal or dominant interactions with ordinarily dominant female characters is a kink that’s already being developed—just not with Jezera. I don’t see why every dominant female character has to submit to Rowan by the start of act three; I hardly expect Draith or Liurial to start domming him in that time period.

It’s a bit of a shame, really—it seems like we have the seeds of dominant characters eventually submitting to Rowan, but I don’t know that we have the opposite. Alexia, I guess, but she’s a deuteragonist with her own choices separate from Rowan, and doesn’t start out especially submissive to him.

 

[monk_56]

Which makes sense—at the end of the story. Having equal or dominant interactions with ordinarily dominant female characters is a kink that’s already being developed—just not with Jezera. I don’t see why every dominant female character has to submit to Rowan by the start of act three; I hardly expect Draith or Liurial to start domming him in that time period.

It’s a bit of a shame, really—it seems like we have the seeds of dominant characters eventually submitting to Rowan, but I don’t know that we have the opposite. Alexia, I guess, but she’s a deuteragonist with her own choices separate from Rowan, and doesn’t start out especially submissive to him.

It'd just be a path right? You could avoid it if you wanted Rowan to be fully submissive and I presume the vast majority of Jez content over time will be femdom. 100% in game one. 80%/20% in game two 60%/40% in game 3 or w/e.

I think part of that narrative trajectory flows from where Rowan and Alexia start baseline in a lot of these relationships. There are definitely seeds for more submissiveness from the MCs- they are also just pretty heavy handedly submissive A Priori so you aren't exactly experiencing a slow burn arc into submissiveness with them. I guess you can make a mind/body distinction in regards to these arcs- the body is fully submitted pretty much off the bat, but the mind isn't necessarily; there is room for a lot of personal head-canon here.

All sexual content with the twins starts off as extremely submissive. Perhaps resentful- but submissive none-the less. It will become more submissive as time goes on and bleed into other aspects on the story in the slave pathing for sure. I expect that pathing to be a train-wreck of abuse for those who enjoy it.

The NTR pathings are baseline submissive as well.

You can submit to Shaya- or not.
Submit to Cilonia - or not. (Best femdom path in my view)
Submit to X'zaratl - Sort of- its just like kink; not dom proper.

At any rate femdom fans deserve hearty chunk of Jezera femdom- they have waited a long time for it and femdom proper isn't a very large part of the game currently. Maybe 100 cgs- mostly of Alexia submitting to Jezera.

But it would be swaggy to have a slight amount of more dominant content if you choose to do the more dominant meta-pathing with Jezera eventually before the end of the game.

 

[diebesgrab]

It'd just be a path right? You could avoid it if you wanted Rowan to be fully submissive and I presume the vast majority of Jez content over time will be femdom. 100% in game one. 80%/20% in game two 60%/40% in game 3 or w/e.

I think part of that narrative trajectory flows from where Rowan and Alexia start baseline in a lot of these relationships. There are definitely seeds for more submissiveness from the MCs- they are also just pretty heavy handedly submissive A Priori so you aren't exactly experiencing a slow burn arc into submissiveness with them. I guess you can make a mind/body distinction in regards to these arcs- the body is fully submitted pretty much off the bat, but the mind isn't necessarily; there is room for a lot of personal head-canon here.

All sexual content with the twins starts off as extremely submissive. Perhaps resentful- but submissive none-the less. It will become more submissive as time goes on and bleed into other aspects on the story in the slave pathing for sure. I expect that pathing to be a train-wreck of abuse for those who enjoy it.

The NTR pathings are baseline submissive as well.

You can submit to Shaya- or not.
Submit to Cilonia - or not. (Best femdom path in my view)
Submit to X'zaratl - Sort of- its just like kink; not dom proper.

At any rate femdom fans deserve hearty chunk of Jezera femdom- they have waited a long time for it and femdom proper isn't a very large part of the game currently. Maybe 100 cgs- mostly of Alexia submitting to Jezera.

But it would be swaggy to have a slight amount of more dominant content if you choose to do the more dominant meta-pathing with Jezera eventually before the end of the game.

I strongly disagree on the grounds that not every character has to cater to every player. As we’ve both pointed out, there are multiple characters who can vary in their sexual dominance with Rowan already. If Jezera has to as well, then why can’t we have every character cater to submissive players? Why can’t we have every character cater to large insertion fetishists, or futa afficionados? There’s barely any foot-related content in the game, surely we need every character to cater to that niche?

I agree that having the twins submit in one of the endings is probably an essential element once the story is over, but if it happens before that, I definitely want to see reciprocity from characters on the opposite side of the Dom/Sub scale at the very least.

I also strongly disagree that Rowan (and even Alexia to some extent, though less so) is inherently coded as sexually submissive at the beginning of the game. He’s powerless—this isn’t the same as sexually submissive. And he quickly gains power—not against the twins, but over most of the castle inhabitants. There are essentially no sexual situations he HAS to take part in that put him in a particularly submissive position. He is necessarily subservient to the twins, but that’s not the same thing as sexually submitting to them. You can be sexually dominant and still serve a master in non-sexual ways, even unwillingly.

 

[monk_56]

I strongly disagree on the grounds that not every character has to cater to every player. As we’ve both pointed out, there are multiple characters who can vary in their sexual dominance with Rowan already. If Jezera has to as well, then why can’t we have every character cater to submissive players? Why can’t we have every character cater to large insertion fetishists, or futa afficionados? There’s barely any foot-related content in the game, surely we need every character to cater to that niche?

I agree that having the twins submit in one of the endings is probably an essential element once the story is over, but if it happens before that, I definitely want to see reciprocity from characters on the opposite side of the Dom/Sub scale at the very least.

I also strongly disagree that Rowan (and even Alexia to some extent, though less so) is inherently coded as sexually submissive at the beginning of the game. He’s powerless—this isn’t the same as sexually submissive. And he quickly gains power—not against the twins, but over most of the castle inhabitants. There are essentially no sexual situations he HAS to take part in that put him in a particularly submissive position. He is necessarily subservient to the twins, but that’s not the same thing as sexually submitting to them. You can be sexually dominant and still serve a master in non-sexual ways, even unwillingly.

Again- it is because she is one of the primary antagonist. If she were a side character I would agree, but since she is a major villian I'd posit there should be significant variation in her pathings.

She isn't some side character with a fetish attached to her like Grey-hide (big dick + swinging), Liurial (maledom), Draith (male x male bottom), Cla-min (shortstack, romance, harem, breeding), or X'zaratl (futa + poly), Skodred (dwarf???), Shaya (prostitution), Cilonia (a duality of domination), Helenya (Rape....I guess).

Rowans relationship to the twins in terms of power dynamic practically defines the entire experience of the game- and a large part of that is the sexual dynamic. She isn't just some kink path- she is one of the primary antagonists.

Some players want to beat her down, dominate her, and have fun with her before the game is over. Just like some players want to be submissive to her, let her control their lives, and ruin their relationship with their wife.

 

[diebesgrab]

Again- it is because she is one of the primary antagonist. If she were a side character I would agree, but since she is a major villian I'd posit there should be significant variation in her pathings.

She isn't some side character with a fetish attached to her like Grey-hide (big dick + swinging), Liurial (maledom), Draith (male x male bottom), Cla-min (shortstack, romance, harem, breeding), or X'zaratl (futa + poly), Skodred (dwarf???), Shaya (prostitution), Cilonia (a duality of domination), Helenya (Rape....I guess).

Rowans relationship to the twins in terms of power dynamic practically defines the entire experience of the game- and a large part of that is the sexual dynamic. She isn't just some kink path- she is one of the primary antagonists.

Some players want to beat her down, dominate her, and have fun with her before the game is over. Just like some players want to be submissive to her, let her control their lives, and ruin their relationship with their wife.

It’s precisely because she’s one of the primary antagonists that she can be the primary femdom character, though. There are very few other female characters who can credibly dominate an unwilling Rowan, and those who can already have variable dominance built into their pathing. Jezera’s entire sexual identity is built around manipulating and dominating others, however, and she has the power to ensure that she stays on top. I reiterate, if you don’t want to be sexually submissive, don’t try to stick your dick in the demon lord dominatrix.

I imagine Jezera will get some variation in her pathing as she continues to be developed, in much the same way that you can have an amicable relationship with some of the other characters without having sex with them. Similarly, Rowan likely will be able to twist his way out from under the twins’ thumbs sometime in the second or third act, but there’s no reason to assume this is because he’ll suddenly have the resources at his disposal to rape and dominate them. For those who want the cathartic release of raping their tormenters, that’s what the endings are for.

Of course it rankles to have to serve under the twins, that’s kind of the point of the premise. But if we start making optional paths for characters, we have to take into consideration whether it makes sense for the character in question, whether it supports or undermines the progression of the plot, whether the fetish that path would be serving is already being adequately served elsewhere, and whether the manhours needed to create that path might not be better allocated to some less developed aspect of the game. As I implied before, there are plenty of fetishes represented in this game that get less attention than dom/sub stuff—some extremely popular fetishes, at that. I certainly think they are more deserving of attention at this stage than adding a femsub route to the most dominant female character in the game, when we already have a dedicated femsub character, as well as potential femsub routes in development for others.

 

[justahorse]

I agree with Monk in that the driving force behind the narrative is Rowan/Alexia's submission to the Twins. The game does give people the opportunity to mostly avoid the Twins in terms of anything sexual, but one of the first choices in the game is to decide to serve the Twins until you are capable of rebelling. I certainly think part of rebelling against the Twins is inherently tied into the sexual nature of demons, and thus Rowan being dominant in some sexual scenes leading up to an ending where Rowan defeats them as a hero or becomes the new Overlord is definitely a route to be explored. I think the same is true for Alexia, who should have the opportunity to turn the tables as well. Though for me personally I think she just needs more content period that has her have power/control.

Edit- So for me, I don't think Jezera/Andras should have sub routes so much as if you narratively pursue an ending in which Rowan overthrows them for whatever reason, you will have the reversal of roles in scenes leading up to it. So, less a route and more a main story consequence. Though this is assuming the story has a "good" end in which Rowan/Alexia come out on top.

 

[Rein]

Jezera scenes will involve a hefty amount of femdom.

However, there will be rewards for those who resist Jezera's attempt at domination, and who aren't afraid to get their hands dirty.

But the focus is on femdom, at least for the time being.

 

[BadQuark]

Really love this game and its many paths and ability to really define the characters as you play them. I have found a couple bugs with the Liurial Threes Company, threesome event. This first is if you don't sleep with Liurial before the event and then tell Alexia this, the game just jumps to the next menu and the characters don't talk at all. This other is when you are trying persuade Alexia with the "we've had other partners" if you've completed the Greyhide events and gotten the platonic end with Rowan and Alexia never having any sexual involvement with him, they still talk like they've opened their relationship up to involve him in some way.

Small note on this, if you do wait for Alexia's permission to sleep with Liurial you miss the opportunity to become her Dom as that event is a prerequisite to the the threesome event. Not sure if this is intended or not but thought i'd point it out for the very very small number of people (or maybe just me) who don't sleep with Liurial til Alexia gives permission but then still want her content once we have it.

Another small note is in Heartsong's third dream event (where you replay the intro), the second choice still references the old intro and wanting to not turn out like the other prisoner but that bit has been changed up in the new intro and he is no longer in it and the second choice is just about not dying in the dungeons.

 

[rickpool98]

anyone have a save with the new Liurial scene?

 

[wqe]

anyone have a save with the new Liurial scene?

there are lots of new content and I don't know how to open it. 3 times end game, and no new arts

 

[gamingdevil800]

anyone have a save with the new Liurial scene?

Alexia second fertility 17-1
Liurial new scene 17-3
17-3 should have the new cla min scenes unlocked too when you talk to her for replay.

 

[duolaamm]

Alexia second fertility 17-1
Liurial new scene 17-3
17-3 should have the new cla min scenes unlocked too when you talk to her for replay.

it seems doesn't work. I put it into the saves file ,but load game can't find it .

 

[Lunix00]

So I was thinking what is the difference between the new writing and the old. I started the game recently, and I see users on the forum who think that it was better in the past, but for me today it's fucking good, except maybe in some scenes where having two protagonists doesn't matter. There is also the art, the new style is the one shown at the beginning, right? It's more serious, less cartoon, personally I like it more.

 

[Aeripeary]

Alexia second fertility 17-1
Liurial new scene 17-3
17-3 should have the new cla min scenes unlocked too when you talk to her for replay.

Would you happen to have the new NTR version of the fertility event?