Ren'Py Seeds of Chaos [v0.4.06] [Vénus Noire]
So a few things (that probably will result in very different conversations with one displacing the other but whatever.)
Gay bottom (and bottom does not have to be sub!) Rowan takes a decent amount of dick but he doesn't seem to get a chance at Greyhide (or any other minotaurs, I really hope for more minos in the future since I do not like Greyhide's design (love his character) and doesn't seem to take any orcs either (Andras did not even give Batri a turn . . . or even better a DP)
Is Tarish available to talk to and interact in events after Orciad? Batri doesn't seem to be and I'd love for him and Rowan to have more "interactions" (generally, Rowan needs some orc time, Alexia has all the fun).
And in general while the game can be fairly depraved when it comes to all the mental manipulation and corruption mechanics, it is not particularly kinky in more conventional ways. I am not sure I've seen double penetrations (definitely not the gay kind but I think even the female one must be very rare) let alone kinkier fare. I think the devs are completely against watersports which I get, not everyone is into it even though that kink would definitely fit Andras like a glove with his focus on humiliation. And I am pretty sure I've never seen fisting even though plenty of the monster dicks are bigger than arms. . .
Gay bottom (and bottom does not have to be sub!) Rowan takes a decent amount of dick but he doesn't seem to get a chance at Greyhide (or any other minotaurs, I really hope for more minos in the future since I do not like Greyhide's design (love his character) and doesn't seem to take any orcs either (Andras did not even give Batri a turn . . . or even better a DP)
Is Tarish available to talk to and interact in events after Orciad? Batri doesn't seem to be and I'd love for him and Rowan to have more "interactions" (generally, Rowan needs some orc time, Alexia has all the fun).
And in general while the game can be fairly depraved when it comes to all the mental manipulation and corruption mechanics, it is not particularly kinky in more conventional ways. I am not sure I've seen double penetrations (definitely not the gay kind but I think even the female one must be very rare) let alone kinkier fare. I think the devs are completely against watersports which I get, not everyone is into it even though that kink would definitely fit Andras like a glove with his focus on humiliation. And I am pretty sure I've never seen fisting even though plenty of the monster dicks are bigger than arms. . .
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*Raises hand in wanting a path where Alexia likes taking the monster dick(s) but its not because she doesnt like Rowan anymore*
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Actually, are there even actually people that play this without trying to get all the Alexia sex scenes? 
I mean, you can go corrupt and effectively poly without her being obedient to one of the Twins. Is there a point when she and Rowan can just discuss this already? If not I think if they both have a matching level of corruption they should have a way to both stay corrupt, fuck around and keep their relationship high by just having filthy sex together (as well as inviting others in their bed). Heck down the line, including the Twins. I am sure all the bi males here would love AlexiaXRowanXAndras in all the many configurations it could take.
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Yes, but I'm probably not the target audience.Actually, are there even actually people that play this without trying to get all the Alexia sex scenes?
I generally dislike multiple protagonist games so since Rowan gets most of the screen time, I tend to avoid most of Alexia's scenes with as few consequences as possible. And if I do play a female protagonist I prefer to play her as dominant and independent, not just jumping on any dick that hoves into view. No judgement on anyone else's tastes, obviously.
And honestly I find Alexia a really weird deuteragonist. I mean, she is really just there for the porn. Rowan has agency and his choices matter. Alexia's choices mostly decide if she will have or see sex.
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Agreed. Alexia can be used to threaten/control/reward/punish Rowan anywhere the Twins can reach her. She's in the castle and immediately available to any character who wants to fuck her (or vice-versa) because it's by far the most efficient way of putting her corruption onscreen. Otherwise, the story either has to do an enormously complicated dance around what Rowan is or isn't aware of, or reveal her corruption to him a lot earlier.
The former is how some Japanese netorare stories/games do it, of course, but it's rare in the West. As a rule, players want to see what's happening as it's happening.
first time I sent Alexia out to work, I started her with the Library. And unlike every other path, the Library clearly tells the player that Alexia has the potential to have agency (because she has power, enough to intrigue probably the most powerful person in the castle at least before Tharos shows up). So after that the fact that in every other route she is a victim or a voyeur is weird to me.
That's because Alexia is weak and doesn't seem to be crafty to scheme behind the scenes. Her circumstance in act 1 doesn't allow her to do much anything meaningfully. But she can do something that may be helpful later on (as in future acts), like learning magic with the sorceress.
You don't need to be strong to change things. Alexia is involved in her own minor storylines were she could affect outcomes by wit and courage alone.
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For a long time SoC did not have a dedicated Gay writer, so we tended to struggle a bit with that content. People are also more interested in F/M and F/F content, so it tends to get less attention when we check each release for planned sex scenes. We try to always have at least one each release, but it varies.
For the time being neither Tarish nor Batri will get additional content. As Tarish always survives, she is likely to receive more content in act 2 of the game (hopefully next year), and Batri might have some stuff in Act 2 too - though since he doesn't always survive the events of Orciad, and remains a side character, he will most certainly receive less attention than other Gay interests, like Draith, Andras and Greyhide.
I would actually like to do more Threesomes and group scenes (which includes double penetration) - but I would like to keep them as post-plotlines events. Like, I wanted to do a Cock worship scene with Greyhide that included Alexia, X'zaratl and (possibly) Rowan, but it's not something I have the luxury of writing while Blackholt and Jezera storylines remain incomplete.
And yes, writer preferences tend to taint the type of sex scenes that get put into the game. It's no surprise - if it rocks my boat, I can write it in a way that will rock your boat. Any sex scene that is outside my personal preference is likely to be of worse quality - so for me to write it, it usually has to be for a specific purpose. Like, I wrote gay scenes before - I wrote Alain sex scene, and I wrote Andras fucking Rowan in the dungeons - but I did it because it was necessary for the release, and it was difficult for me to do. (I straight up imagined Rowan to be a futanari named Rowna to get the ball rolling in the Alain scene)
So for us to write watersports, we'd likely either need to have a writer who is into it and can make it sexy, or feel that watersports is popular enough to include it in the plot - which I'm afraid is unlikely to happen - maybe as a one-off event, at best
As for fisting - I just don't get it.
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Alexia with the...goblins? orcs?...in the pub, Alexia with Rowan and X'zaratl, and I think also Helayna and Delene? I'd assume that anyone on a Greyhide/Rowan/Alexia route will eventually get one (poor girl's going to be limping for a week). I think Andras/Alexia is far more likely to include one with a dildo (real or magical), at least in the near term, but we'll see what the future holds.
Could I ask (I mean I have, here and on discord but I am sure you are all busy and if you cannot answer, totally understand) is the content added last update it for AndrasXRowan in Act I or will it get fleshed out like Jezera's with further events we can initiate in a Favor menu ? As for the Batri thing, doesn't have to be Batri. Could just be a random orc. Heck Andras could have some orc (or orcs) help him with Rowan at some point . . .
And will the dwarf dude get his own storyline like everyone else? I assume it is the lowest priority. Heck even knowing it would be gay content, I really would rather see you go forward with Blackholt and then wrapping up.
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I don't participate in AndrasXRowan storyline development. It will likely follow a more linear route - but I intend to use Andras favour to unlock additional bonuses for reworked Astarte, so it ain't getting lost.
It's very low priority. It would be nice for someone to clean it up, but like, we can live without it.
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It seems I have...I'm sure you'll find someone with small hands for you...
Played into your hand.
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yeah that's probably me she is a loyal wife in my playthroughActually, are there even actually people that play this without trying to get all the Alexia sex scenes?
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Well, that's close to the other super-easy way to make this happen. They talk, confess that they've done things, agree that their lives include constant assaults on their sexuality and their commitment, and decide to go ahead and expand their sexuality while remaining emotionally committed to each other. Again, this requires a little backfilling of alternative dialogue and some code changes that allow scenes that would've been exclusive, but it's far easier than creating (say) an entirely unique Andras/Alexia/Rowan path.
The thing is, the conflict's still there. Alexia can have sex with and then fall for Sil, or Greyhide, or Andras, or Jezera, or whoever (given different values of "fall for"), and now it's a struggle for her emotional commitment as well. Likewise for Rowan. The primary purpose of Alexia/Andras is obviously the sex, but the extradiagetic story is that an Alexia who Andras has turned into his slut is no longer someone on whom Rowan can rely. So, rather than just making it about the sex, make it about the effect of the sex. The moment when she admits to herself that she's no longer submitting to Andras for any reason other than he rocks her world, and then the struggle to reconcile that with her legitimate commitment to Rowan, is as powerful a test of their relationship as just having sex with one or the other.
Anyway, this is all fanfic and it's never gonna happen.