Ren'Py Seeds of Chaos [v0.4.07] [Vénus Noire]

[T51bwinterized]

Yes, aggression is the core emotion of dominance. How he regulates it is entirely irrelevant to how dominant he is - it will only impact how effective he is at obtaining it (and it won't impact him much negatively at all, he is seemingly physically all-powerful (30 might check what), has no laws like rape to worry about and is seemingly completely without compassion for the feelings of others (which makes sense, it is the core emotion of submission)).


Because of who Shaya is. She is a prostitute, she has had hundreds if not thousands of cocks up her quim. Swimming pools worth of spunk. Putting your mouth/tongue on that is utterly repulsive, imagine a sponge soaked in cum, an immensely submissive thing to do - akin to coprophilic ass eating. And, all for money.
Once a prostitute, always a prostitute - no one can come back from that. She is inherently worthless, damaged goods, disgusting. A beautiful looking toy to use, fuck and discard.

Not to mention the fact that Rowan has ZERO reason to give any fucks about her feelings at all. She is a complete stranger to him and a prostitute - she is simply a living onahole.

You cannot equate your previous example of hypothetical me with my hypothetical girlfriend/wife with your new example of Rowan and this stranger prostitute. There is ZERO overlap here, other than both examples involve two humans, one male and one female.

The only reason to care about the feelings of this prostitute stranger is if Rowan is driven by compassion, the submissives driving emotion.

I'd make the same mileage argument about Jez too but she seems to be almost a pure lesbomancer, so she kinda gets away with it. Not too sure on that though, I've seen almost 0 of her content having no interest in femdom.


Does it matter? I'd say B but practically there's not really much in it.
A is more of just a controlling personality, much of what you outline isn't sexual. His preference for dom is a function/offshoot of his overall desire to control everything. Or perhaps, his need to sexually dominate but not break the law expresses itself differently.
Whereas B is purely sexual, and seeing as we're talking about dom/sub in the sexual realm, he is therefore more dom.
Including everything sexual and non-sexual, A is more dominant.

Obviously in all of these examples willing consent is assumed.

Wonderful. You're the best one since dick potion guy. Respond to this in full later.

 

[pppjjj]

As far as "mileage" goes, shouldn't Rowan be the most disgusting person in the game?
He fucks everything with a hole.
If diseases were in the game, Rowan would be a walking STD.
Nasty.
But let me get at you on semantics for a sec. No one is inherently (=intrinsically) worthless as being a (here fictional) human makes you automatically have human worth. What you describe as worthless not intrinsic, but an external point of view, as it is what you think of her. Therefore it is a given attribute and not an intrinsic one.

 

[kurupt87]

Wonderful. You're the best one since dick potion guy. Respond to this in full later.

Hah, with a nickname like that I don't suppose that comparison does me any favours, does it?
I look forward to it, good night.

 

[Balrual]

I didn't bother to read everything but I just love the fact, of ALL places on the internet, someone is trying to kink shame.

 

[pppjjj]

I didn't bother to read everything but I just love the fact, of ALL places on the internet, someone is trying to kink shame.

If you're referring to me, it wasn't my intention to kink shame anyone. I simply got too closed up on my own personal preference (as in I would consider someone that tells me what to do irl etc. kind of abusive) that I failed to consider other possibilities (as in someone might like it).
Again, not trying to shame anyone.

 

[T51bwinterized]

Hah, with a nickname like that I don't suppose that comparison does me any favours, does it?
I look forward to it, good night.

Depends on your definition of favors. He was memorable. Had that going for him.

 

[issue28]

You made really good points there but had to get arrogant in that last line didn't you? I think that's kind of your signature move

 

[T51bwinterized]

You made really good points there but had to get arrogant in that last line didn't you? I think that's kind of your signature move

Oh come now. Come now. It was just a spot of fun, lol.

 

[issue28]

It may be, but you have to admit how it looks. Especially in written form where tone cannot be properly conveyed.

 

[T51bwinterized]

It may be, but you have to admit how it looks. Especially in written form where tone cannot be properly conveyed.

Nah, I'm sure onahole-kun can take a joke. He probably laughed at that one too.

Besides, on a vaguely serious note, I don't know if we're going to make Rowan more..."rapey" but there will be options for him to be more confident and controlling with a number of cast members including Alexia, Helayna, and Shaya to be introduced in the immediate future, with dominant interactions with even more of the cast to follow.

If "confident and controlling" means more Mdom though, that's TBD lol.

 

[issue28]

I agree with you on the rape thing. I also think a Dom is Dom through sheer force of will and not aggression. That being said I also agree with your "opponent" in that so far Rowan is more subby than Dom and that I myself will prefer more content with Rowan if not a bad ass Dom at least more controlling and self assured, more able to stand up for himself and be more strong in his interactions. I am aware that is not possible with the twins at the moment (though it is my dream to make those asshole pay a thousand fold for all the shit they pulled and make those assholes suffer. I think at this point for me it's not just about Domming them as is about freaking sadistic revenge), but at least with all the other minor character I think we should be able to play a Dom Rowan if so we choose to.

 

[apyrvalg]

The word "Lesbomancer" can be said without looking totally absurd.

C'mon, aren't you writing sexualized fiction in fantasy setting?
Let's assume that in the world of SoC homosexuality in women is caused by elemental force of magical(or maybe divine) nature. So "lesbomancer" could be described as the person manipulating aforementioned force through sorcerous, ritualistic or mystical means to empower oneself or magically conjure lesbians to do one's bidding. Sound like certain purple sorceress to me.

What if "floating lesbians" phenomenon is not actually intentional and simply a side effect of them "overcharging"? Something akin to magnetic levitation? What if Mary is tattooed not just for fun but to accumulate and hold power, not unlike battery or capacitor?

 

[T51bwinterized]

I agree with you on the rape thing. I also think a Dom is Dom through sheer force of will and not aggression. That being said I also agree with your "opponent" in that so far Rowan is more subby than Dom and that I myself will prefer more content with Rowan if not a bad ass Dom at least more controlling and self assured, more able to stand up for himself and be more strong in his interactions. I am aware that is not possible with the twins at the moment (though it is my dream to make those asshole pay a thousand fold for all the shit they pulled and make those assholes suffer. I think at this point for me it's not just about Domming them as is about freaking sadistic revenge), but at least with all the other minor character I think we should be able to play a Dom Rowan if so we choose to.

Well, it depends on the side cast member and place in their arc. It's not like Cliohna is going to suddenly roll over if you show up around her with a puffed chest. X'z is domme coded too.

A bunch of them will have options to grow more dominant with. For example, when it comes to Shaya she often has a certain kind of advantage that comes from her control over information. Rowan's behaviour should shift as he interacts more with different cast members.

Most of the cast stories aren't even at the end of the act yet, but we are getting there. Look back at it in six months and tell me if you still think Rowan doesn't have enough dominant options with the side cast.

C'mon, aren't you writing sexualized fiction in fantasy setting?
Let's assume that in the world of SoC homosexuality in women is caused by elemental force of magical(or maybe divine) nature. So "lesbomancer" could be described as the person manipulating aforementioned force through sorcerous, ritualistic or mystical means to empower oneself or magically conjure lesbians to do one's bidding. Sound like certain purple sorceress to me.

What if "floating lesbians" phenomenon is not actually intentional and simply a side effect of them "overcharging"? Something akin to magnetic levitation? What if Mary is tattooed not just for fun but to accumulate and hold power, not unlike battery or capacitor?

Amusing, but SoC probably isn't the game for that. I was just having a blast going over Harem Collector by my friend No Moshing, and I could totally see a lesbomancer in that.

 

[errte13]

I don't know if we're going to make Rowan more..."rapey"

Corruption + Alexia's betrayal make him more unkind to women.

Or Rowan breaking down after traumatic stuff, while an orgy going on, like right after Rastedel (can never remember the right spelling), Rowan could be swept from the atmosphere and stop thinking for awhile. And when he comes to his senses, I expect shame and guilt wracking him for his behavior. If SoC is going dark dark, we can't just let the MC have a sound mind after all the ordeals he will face, can we?

 

[issue28]

Well, it depends on the side cast member and place in their arc. It's not like Cliohna is going to suddenly roll over if you show up around her with a puffed chest. X'z is domme coded too.

I understand what you are saying and I am not asking that he should Dom everyone. But at the same time if I choose to play the Dom Rowan path then with those characters that are "domme codded" I would expect an equal terms type of interaction. Maybe not right from the beginning, give the circumstances, but with a little time he finds a way to assert himself and speak and interact from a equal footing with a fellow Dom/me. Again IF i choose to play the Dom Rowan path as a player that would make sense. It would not make sense to play a Dom Rowan that subs to certain side chars, again the twins are a different beast.

 

[T51bwinterized]

I understand what you are saying and I am not asking that he should Dom everyone. But at the same time if I choose to play the Dom Rowan path then with those characters that are "domme codded" I would expect an equal terms type of interaction. Maybe not right from the beginning, give the circumstances, but with a little time he finds a way to assert himself and speak and interact from a equal footing with a fellow Dom/me. Again IF i choose to play the Dom Rowan path as a player that would make sense. It would not make sense to play a Dom Rowan that subs to certain side chars, again the twins are a different beast.

Is there any side-characters presently in the game who feel like Rowan should be more initially more top-esque towards them? In intial interactions?

Also, we expect to some extent that a Dom-coded Rowan just wouldn't interact with certain optional charachters. In particular, from a narrative sense it makes sense that a Rowan who truly dislikes being topped just wouldn't be spending time with X'z. So to an extent we can say that a player choosing to interact further with certain charachters is the player choosing to roleplay Rowan as more willing to engage in subbyness. The challenge for us is ensuring that this is only the case for scenes where the player chooses to intiate the itneraction.

 

[issue28]

That's why I said

Maybe not right from the beginning, given the circumstances, but with a little time he finds a way to assert himself and speak and interact from a equal footing with a fellow Dom/me.

 

[issue28]

Sure they all see him as a weakling sub in the initial interactions, but if we choose to play him as Dom then as a Dom he should have the capacity to assert himself

 

[T51bwinterized]

Sure they all see him as a weakling sub in the initial interactions, but if we choose to play him as Dom then as a Dom he should have the capacity to assert himself

Like I said. Some Dom-coded charachters a dominant Rowan would just never go out of his way to interact with. As we move more of the NPC interactions to room events, this will be easier to roleplay. A dominant Rowan would just rather be spending his time flogging Liurial/Draith then getting dicked by X'z, so he spends more time with Liurial/Draith.

 

[issue28]

Can't he just get to a point where he is an equal to these chars? Maybe he needs to interact with X'z for plot point purposes. Does he have to sub to them and not talk to them from an equal stance?