Ren'Py Seeds of Chaos [v0.4.07] [Vénus Noire]

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I think a big reason why there's not enough feedback around here is how the updates are structured. Bascially, I feel like with every update I have to play the whole game again from start to finish to find what's new, and as a wise woman once said "ain't nobody got time for that". That is obviously a product of how the game has changed during all these years and the necessary rework/rewrite/redrawn we're seeing, and that's perfectly understandable. I don't expect things to change for this arc, but as a small tip for Venus Noire, I think if arc 2 changes the way the updates are done and instad of focusing on one arc, then another and so on, they become "wider" updates where we get maybe a single scene instead of two but for each character route so their arcs can move forward simultaneously, they'd see way more engagement from the community. Just my 2 cents.
 
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He is still one of the Six Heroes isn't he?
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I don't know, i'm not sure of how much info the characters companions of Rowan before and during The Six Heroes gathered are complete solid... What i'm saying is, that Rowan could be somebody with some sort of Hero Complex or some kind of mental disorder that makes him believe after many campaigns that he could be just a survivor who was part in the most prominent battles, serving under commanders and generals who lose their lives with many other men while Rowan take the credit as having in the right place at the right moment (intentionally or others believe), until he believed everything he' supposedly being attribute, some sort of Ciaphas Caine for example, but much more mundane.
 
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I think a big reason why there's not enough feedback around here is how the updates are structured. Bascially, I feel like with every update I have to play the whole game again from start to finish to find what's new, and as a wise woman once said "ain't nobody got time for that". That is obviously a product of how the game has changed during all these years and the necessary rework/rewrite/redrawn we're seeing, and that's perfectly understandable. I don't expect things to change for this arc, but as a small tip for Venus Noire, I think if arc 2 changes the way the updates are done and instad of focusing on one arc, then another and so on, they become "wider" updates where we get maybe a single scene instead of two but for each character route so their arcs can move forward simultaneously, they'd see way more engagement from the community. Just my 2 cents.
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That's why Venus Noire Team in a practical sense are leaving all the major fixes and hard work (or reworking) of the game's mechanics near the end, because they know they will break saves, and right now there are some cool scenes that seems to be impossible to access because of this, but they aren't willing now to fix, their priority is to finish the kinks scenes that are left... And yeah, what still is left for side plots that will be relevant for main plot in next Acts...
 
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Tue-Row, Tue-San and Che-Lin are missing.
Did another playthrough and Goblin Town confused me. I had Che-Lin sorted under Jezera, but she disliked the demons and basically wants to keep the traditional relatively peaceful time, so Che-Lin may fall under Noble route? Tue-San doesn't like Jezera, but she is is pretty much the manipulative girlboss like Jezera, Tarish and Patricia who want to rule through intrigue. And what is Tue-Row about? An ally for a rebelliious chaotic Rowan or more like a safe bet for a noble Rowan?
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Honestly, whilst it is a fun little chart to consider, sorting these decisions cleanly into these categories is an intrinsically flawed goal. While some choices are clear cut - such as Batari being the best choice for Andras. Other choices are much murkier offering pros and cons that don't fit cleanly into these narrative boxes - and thankfully so. Restoring Helenya into being a Knight being clearly an Andras favored action in example... like what? Clearly his favorite option is letting Hel get gang raped, then raping Hel in front of Rowan and Alexia at a dinner. I don't even begin to see a single thread of logic as to why Jaques is Andras favoring as an outcome- it seems like the most favorable pathing for both Twins is twins-slave Patricia. A Tarish pathing features an orc tribe that is easier to manipulate since she is weaker than either of the men- both by Rowan AND by the Twins. Sure, it could be considered the most Jezera favoring option, but it could also be considerd the most power hungry Rowan favoring option. And so on and so forth.


Thankfully the choices don't really fit into the boxes every time. The game would be really, really boring if every suite of major choices was cleanly structured like this.

Playing your box game though since it is fun and speculating on the various gob plots:

~I'd say put Che-Lin in your Sabotage category- restoring the old clan-order and prob making the gobs more reclusive.
~Tue-San in your Gaining Power category (assuming you can flip her zealotry onto Rowan's dream/vision instead of Tue-Row's).
~Tue-Row onto Jezera since it used diplomacy / manipulation to get the job done cleanly.

Tue-San and Tue-Row endings could be flipped depending on how they hash out or depending on how much you buy into Tue-Row being Rowans super-good-best-friend on his side buddy. Tue-Row is a duplicitous little shit who is prob willing to sacrifice anyone for his dream though- so I def wouldn't put money on him truly being best for supporting power Rowan.
 
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monk_56 said:
Honestly, whilst it is a fun little chart to consider, sorting these decisions cleanly into these categories is an intrinsically flawed goal. While some choices are clear cut - such as Batari being the best choice for Andras. Other choices are much murkier offering pros and cons that don't fit cleanly into these narrative boxes - and thankfully so.
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Fair enough. I did this box game to gain an overview about the possible factions and approaches of how Rowan solves the main quest. There is undeniable a pattern of how he can usually appease either Jereza or Andras or do his own thing either selfishly or selflessly. Considering how much the game branches out, restricting the branches in four rough pathes could benefit/ease the writing instead of accounting for 100 different paths. Already seven years in and we barely have a direction where the game goes, may as well try to formulate what I observed myself.

Using Helanya as a knight is currently undeveloped. I assume once she restores her full potential and slaughters her former allies for the demon army, Andras will be very pleased. Jacque is undeveloped as well (we don't even bang his girl yes), though he communicated noticable more with Andras than with Jereza.
 
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That's nice and all but the real reason people don't like the game is that it's MC is a bitch. Where I come from we have two genders, women and men. MEN.

Where is the MC that cuts off Andras head, rams it up Jezara's ass and then fucks a baby into her cunt while she tries to shit it out? All while he slaps the fuck out of the hired help for being weak sissy ass beta cucks?

I'm a man, I like doing manly things. Please let me kill and rape to MY pleasure not yours. I don't want to rape village girls, all I have to do is give them a pretty shiny thing and they'll hop on my cock like the whores they are. I want to brutalize Andras. I want to rape him bloody night after night and watch him eventually curse his regeneration like the sissy bitch he is compared to me. I don't like playing the bitch in games because I don't like playing the bitch IRL.

Please give us a manly man Rowan route all god damn ready dev. Getting real sick of Rowan being touted as some kind of amazing dude when he's a bitch. In fact he's such as bitch I'm shocked he doesn't have tits like Bob.
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Rowan is such a cuck.
Fucks half of the planet, has a bunch of female goblins jumping on his cock on command, an elf bitch that sucks his cock wherever he wants, and a mind brainwashed knightess that does whatever he wants. /s

Sure he serves two demon lords, but he is not really a cuck. A cuck by definition doesn't even have sex for god's sake.

If he is still somehow a cuck...well, we need him in some NTR titles, the plot will go south considering that he can go full rapist horny like Andras.

Anyway for a game like that?

Free Cities might please you.
 
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Fleep said:
I think a big reason why there's not enough feedback around here is how the updates are structured. Bascially, I feel like with every update I have to play the whole game again from start to finish to find what's new, and as a wise woman once said "ain't nobody got time for that". That is obviously a product of how the game has changed during all these years and the necessary rework/rewrite/redrawn we're seeing, and that's perfectly understandable. I don't expect things to change for this arc, but as a small tip for Venus Noire, I think if arc 2 changes the way the updates are done and instad of focusing on one arc, then another and so on, they become "wider" updates where we get maybe a single scene instead of two but for each character route so their arcs can move forward simultaneously, they'd see way more engagement from the community. Just my 2 cents.
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Good point. If I couldn't just crack open the .rpa files and read them from the soure it'd have to have been a good update for me to dabble.

Some of it also relates to player diversity. The SoC kink spread is all over the place and attracts demographics that often have complete disinterest/aversion to vast swaths of their content. Bi-sexual, NTR-loving, cuckoldry-loving, Vanilla-loving, Switch-players, who like rape, cheating, and hand-holding are probably less than a 100th of a percentage point of the GP. And while the game does scare off a large swath of the GP a priori and organically sift ppl with specific preferences into or out-of the fandom, it is still far more likely that a player will enjoy/engage with 15-60% of the game's sexual content than 61-100% of it. It is a sex game and lets be candid, despite the story being relatively good, unless routes they like are updated, most players probably won't play a new release- or at bare minimum only interact with a segment of it instead of its totality.

Segue to feedback. Players will only provide meaningful feedback on the parts they have tried / enjoyed and won't try the categories they don't enjoy. Any other feedback will just be "don't like" from any area where they were forced to interact with a narrative that gave them "the yuck," which is meaningless outside of indicating developers might need to segregate content better.

Also, as an aside since the content is so diverse ,some ppl sub on a month by month standard. Lack of clarity relating to what releases mitigates interest as well and ppl who don't play are less likely to give immediate feedback. Take the patch notes in this release as an example.

One new Fae event (with two sex scenes)
One new Goblin event (with two sex scenes)
One new Andras NPC arc event (with three sex scenes)
Four new Helayna scenes (with four sex scenes)
Reworked Events One reworked Helayna scene (Dinner is Served)
~ Lots of cool mechanical changes.

Which Fae plot? I recognize they are intertwined, but is this Arazyl, WS, or HS focused? Or maybe Isdriel or Lady Ordspithe? Which Fae are having sex? Which goblin plot? Which goblins are having sex?
Andras and femboy Rowan- meh.
Four Hel scenes- with who?
Dinners is served- non-con / NTR stuff...meh. (If you didn't know the event name for this in the game files- it'd be opaque as to what this was.)

Just reading, I know I will enjoy trying the mechanics. I have reason to think I will enjoy the plot content for Fae and Gob- just b/c I have historically liked those plots and I think the writers have done great jobs with them, but some of the characters are more fun to read than others. Further, I only know what sexual content two of these events blocks are. I can of course just ask the developer, but not that many players will actually do that. Would I find Hel content I'd enjoy in this release- or will in just be Andras railing Helenya for four scenes and bitch-mode Rowan content? Will I find goblin smut I enjoy, or will it be gay scenes with Tue-Row? In a certain sense the patch notes are supposed to hype up the player base to spend their bucks b/c they are impatient for content. It's like an advert saying- "buy this release." But if you don't know what you are buying you are less likely to spring for it ahead of a Steam release. Or in the case of pirates you need their hype to outweigh their patience for a leaked version. Either way, shelling out and not knowing if you're gonna just be cucked outta the shit you'd actually enjoy is discouraging. It's like a kink mystery bag.
 
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Good point. If I couldn't just crack open the .rpa files and read them from the soure it'd have to have been a good update for me to dabble.

Some of it also relates to player diversity. The SoC kink spread is all over the place and attracts demographics that often have complete disinterest/aversion to vast swaths of their content. Bi-sexual, NTR-loving, cuckoldry-loving, Vanilla-loving, Switch-players, who like rape, cheating, and hand-holding are probably less than a 100th of a percentage point of the GP. And while the game does scare off a large swath of the GP a priori and organically sift ppl with specific preferences into or out-of the fandom, it is still far more likely that a player will enjoy/engage with 15-60% of the game's sexual content than 61-100% of it. It is a sex game and lets be candid, despite the story being relatively good, unless routes they like are updated, most players probably won't play a new release- or at bare minimum only interact with a segment of it instead of its totality.

Segue to feedback. Players will only provide meaningful feedback on the parts they have tried / enjoyed and won't try the categories they don't enjoy. Any other feedback will just be "don't like" from any area where they were forced to interact with a narrative that gave them "the yuck," which is meaningless outside of indicating developers might need to segregate content better.

Also, as an aside since the content is so diverse ,some ppl sub on a month by month standard. Lack of clarity relating to what releases mitigates interest as well and ppl who don't play are less likely to give immediate feedback. Take the patch notes in this release as an example.

One new Fae event (with two sex scenes)
One new Goblin event (with two sex scenes)
One new Andras NPC arc event (with three sex scenes)
Four new Helayna scenes (with four sex scenes)
Reworked Events One reworked Helayna scene (Dinner is Served)
~ Lots of cool mechanical changes.

Which Fae plot? I recognize they are intertwined, but is this Arazyl, WS, or HS focused? Or maybe Isdriel or Lady Ordspithe? Which Fae are having sex? Which goblin plot? Which goblins are having sex?
Andras and femboy Rowan- meh.
Four Hel scenes- with who?
Dinners is served- non-con / NTR stuff...meh. (If you didn't know the event name for this in the game files- it'd be opaque as to what this was.)

Just reading, I know I will enjoy trying the mechanics. I have reason to think I will enjoy the plot content for Fae and Gob- just b/c I have historically liked those plots and I think the writers have done great jobs with them, but some of the characters are more fun to read than others. Further, I only know what sexual content two of these events blocks are. I can of course just ask the developer, but not that many players will actually do that. Would I find Hel content I'd enjoy in this release- or will in just be Andras railing Helenya for four scenes and bitch-mode Rowan content? Will I find goblin smut I enjoy, or will it be gay scenes with Tue-Row? In a certain sense the patch notes are supposed to hype up the player base to spend their bucks b/c they are impatient for content. It's like an advert saying- "buy this release." But if you don't know what you are buying you are less likely to spring for it ahead of a Steam release. Or in the case of pirates you need their hype to outweigh their patience for a leaked version. Either way, shelling out and not knowing if you're gonna just be cucked outta the shit you'd actually enjoy is discouraging. It's like a kink mystery bag.
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It's Arazyl, i read post in patreon after update 3.13 and before this release.
There's only arazyl mention with rowan content&andras Again~

Well, i take 3.13 as good sign since my daddy WS got one... but until he got more.
His daughter (HS) probably pregnant at this point lol.

And yeah if we're unlucky, we might have annoyed patreon member say nonsense or dissatisfied with content he DOESN'T INTEREST!.
It's joke!~ hahah...
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You better stay out of my daddy WS
 
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