Ren'Py Seeds of Chaos [v0.4.07] [Vénus Noire]

[Mfka5]

Ay man, you started this.
I called out this bullshit of yours.
Where did you get impression i think cheating is ntr.
If you use irl examples you get irl examples.
Anyways, seems like theres no use anymore after that last impression of yours.
Remember, ntr is harmless.
Its only as bad as you make it to be.

 

[Big Green]

Ay man, you started this.
I called out this bullshit of yours.
Where did you get impression i think cheating is ntr.
If you use irl examples you get irl examples.
Anyways, seems like theres no use anymore after that last impression of yours.
Remember, ntr is harmless.
Its only as bad as you make it to be.

Ok i just can't with you, my last response. It's you who brought up irl in the first place. I was talking about families and relationships in game obv because i was talking about a genre (should be obv idk why you couldnt comprehend that). They re almost always ruined there. You started to point that irl it's also ok which is nuts and idk why even bring the irl.

 

[Mfka5]

Mate you said its bad IRL and also harmful in game as well. And thats where i stepped in to dispute this bs

 

[perles75]

Harmless NTR??? lmao man this shit ruins families and lives. Cheating is never a good thing. Not saying that other extreme themes are fine, but saying that NTR is a harmless thing is just delusional.

you're kind of proving the point I was making in the message you quoted...

 

[perles75]

Just a semi related side note before I finally wash my hands of this whole thing.

But I'm not the only what that thinks referring to real life cheating as NTR is super cringe, right? I mean NTR is a fetish tag, using it for real life situations is just weird. Personally, I would quickly disassociate myself with anyone I heard use it irl unless they were explicitly talking about porn at the time.

yeppp

(I would even add, it's not even that interesting as a point of discussion, hence my bafflement to see how it attracts all the attention and heat compared to many other objectively worse things that happen in many games here)

 

[Mfka5]

Look hes even calling ntr cheating.
What a hypocrite

 

[Ataman87]

Can some one explain to me once and for all is NTL cheating , swinging or cuckold ? And why are so many people so upset that some games have it ?!

 

[Big Green]

you're kind of proving the point I was making in the message you quoted...

Your point was that it's not extreme, but it actually is and that's why in a lot of games it's an avoidable thing.

Can some one explain to me once and for all is NTL cheating , swinging or cuckold ? And why are so many people so upset that some games have it ?!

NTL is a dude that's making games and comics. Check out Treasure of Nadia. But if you want a serious answer then NTR is a cuckolding.

 

[Mfka5]

Graphic violence and rape are extreme and often times arent avoidable.
Its just peoples feelings that come into play.
Whether they feel like crying or beyond angry.
Which comes down to being pathetic when you worry about those stuff in a game.

 

[Gicoo]

Can some one explain to me once and for all is NTL cheating , swinging or cuckold ? And why are so many people so upset that some games have it ?!

I hear different definitions of that word whenever its discussed.
One of the reasons why ntr easily leads to arguments.

 

[Jynx_lucky_j]

Can some one explain to me once and for all is NTL cheating , swinging or cuckold ? And why are so many people so upset that some games have it ?!

NTR is an abbreviation the Japanese word "netorare" which means cuckholding. However as a porn tag it meaning has grown and altered a bit, and everyone has developed their own definition, from the very restrictive to the overly broad.

Personally I think the VNDB has the best definition:

For a game to be classified as Netorare the following conditions must be met:

1. The protagonist's significant other, a very close friend, or in some cases, a close relative is stolen from him by someone seducing, coercing, blackmailing, outright raping them, or by using other techniques. It doesn't necessarily mean that they are literally stolen, but the negative feelings experienced by their significant other might make it seem so.

2. The one who loses their loved one almost always finds out about the situation and suffers from jealousy and the feeling of helplessness arisen from an inability to change anything. The one stealing the lover and/or the stolen loved one might rub it in by humiliating the loser in private or in public.

3. The trait does not apply if the character having sex with someone else does not have a close loving relationship with the protagonist, and if the protagonist does not experience jealousy and other negative feelings upon finding out about the act. In other words, the ties between the partners and their forcible separation is important to the netorare fetish. For example, an unrequited crush or a potential hero(ine) on a different route would not count for the purposes of this fetish.

4. The act of stealing must happen while the protagonist is in a relationship with the stolen significant other. Scenes of heroine's past relationships do not count as Netorare.

The game is usually portrayed from the perspective of someone losing his significant other, in order to delve deep into the jealousy aspect of the fetish, however, for story purposes the game might switch between multiple POVs and also portray the events from the perspective of the stolen SO.

The VNDB also further breaks it down in the several NTR types:

Netorare Type A
The heroine is willingly cheating on the protagonist with another guy and enjoys every second of it. No rape, blackmail, drugs etc. involved, it's consensual sex from the very beginning.

Netorare Type B
Initially, the heroine is raped, blackmailed, drugged or otherwise tricked to have sex with someone other than the protagonist. However, she eventually starts enjoying it and the sex becomes fully consensual in the end.

Netorare Type C
The heroine is raped in front of the protagonist and he can only helplessly watch it. It's non-consensual from start to finish.

Lesbian NTR
The games which contain the scenes with protagonist's female significant other being stolen by another female, should be given this tag.

It's important to note that due to the prevalence of "girl-on-girl is hot" trope, it's common for many VNs to throw in lesbian scenes between the heroine and another female. Most of the time it is not considered NTR due to the protagonist not minding or even encouraging the lesbian exploration of their significant other. Only use the tag if another female clearly has a design to steal the heroine, and the protagonist experiences jealousy and other negative emotions associated with the netorare fetish.

Male Homosexual NTR
This visual novel contains a scene (or multiple scenes) in which a hero is stolen away from the protagonist by another male.

For a game to be classified as Netorare the following conditions must be met:

1. The hero must be close (his\her osananajimi, etc.), romantically involved, or a close relative (brother, father, etc.) with the protagonist.

2. If it is an eroge, related sexual events are explicitly shown or later described in detail.

Reverse Netorare
This visual novel has scenes focused on Reverse Netorare. Unlike

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, the game's focus is not the fetishization of jealousy, but rather the fetishization of seduction and the accompanying destruction of relationship, while elevating a newly formed sexual relationship over a previous one based on feelings.

For a game to be classified as Reverse Netorare the following conditions must be met:

1. The protagonist is stolen from his significant other by someone seducing, coercing, blackmailing, outright raping him, or by using other techniques. For example, the married male protagonist might meet another woman who, over the course of the game, seduces him, and takes him away from his wife.

2. The protagonist's significant other almost always finds out about the situation and suffers from jealousy and the feeling of helplessness arisen from an inability to change anything. The one stealing the protagonist and/or the protagonist might rub it in by humiliating the losing SO in private or in public.

3. The trait does not apply if the protagonist having sex with someone else does not experience naughty feelings related to the taboo of cheating, and possibly destroying his established relationship. In other words, the pre-existing ties between the protagonist and their SO are important to the reverse netorare fetish.

4. The act of stealing must happen while the protagonist is in a current relationship. Scenes of protagonist's past relationships do not count as Reverse Netorare.

The game is usually portrayed from the perspective of protagonist, who is seduced into abandoning his significant other, however, for story purposes the game might switch between multiple POVs and also portray the events from the perspective of the loser SO.

 

[Gicoo]

NTR is an abbreviation the Japanese word "netorare" which means cuckholding. However as a porn tag it meaning has grown and altered a bit, and everyone has developed their own definition, from the very restrictive to the overly broad.

Personally I think the VNDB has the best definition:


The VNDB also further breaks it down in the several NTR types:

Decent definitions, but I still find many works labeled as ntr (often in the title, tags or description, so the author and publisher greenlit it) that don't follow all descriptions. E.g. works in which the girl is stolen and seduced and feels guilty but also thrilled about her clueless partner, but the partner doesn't know. Often ends with them together happy while she secretly reads the bulls text messages, has cum leeked from her or whatever.
There are also many works in which the loser isn't in a relationship with the girl, but plans to and there are hints that the girl would agree to it. However, the bull steps in and step by step the girl is taken and the loser has the exact same response found in the other ntr works.

So not even VNDB has it full right.

 

[Jynx_lucky_j]

Decent definitions, but I still find many works labeled as ntr (often in the title, tags or description, so the author and publisher greenlit it) that don't follow all descriptions. E.g. works in which the girl is stolen and seduced and feels guilty but also thrilled about her clueless partner, but the partner doesn't know. Often ends with them together happy while she secretly reads the bulls text messages, has cum leeked from her or whatever.
There are also many works in which the loser isn't in a relationship with the girl, but plans to and there are hints that the girl would agree to it. However, the bull steps in and step by step the girl is taken and the loser has the exact same response found in the other ntr works.

So not even VNDB has it full right.

For something like that VNDB has the broader "Infidelity" tag. As I said though, at this point everyone has their own definitions.

 

[depeche mode]

still a cuck game or the mc still is a fucking loser

 

[bobbybrownlove]

Harmless NTR??? lmao man this shit ruins families and lives. Cheating is never a good thing. Not saying that other extreme themes are fine, but saying that NTR is a harmless thing is just delusional.

But its soooo hot <3 best part of this game if im being honest.

 

[Big Green]

But its soooo hot <3 best part of this game if im being honest.

If you like ntr then yes they are good and this game delivers. I personally want for the main plot to advance and evil Rowan path, but we are stuck in side content rn.

 

[Dunner]

I can't wait to see if we'll get a Delilah rendition by renowned singer Rowan Blackwell. He should probably call the song Alexia to avoid copyright issues tho.

People on these forums always give me a chuckle.

 

[Raven_Light]

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if at least some of the fallout you are hoping to see is being saved for Part 2.

I think part of the problem this game has is one of pacing. There are a number of popular characters that you can rush through their entire arc at the beginning of the game and then they just become static from that point on. Although narratively their story has only started, when weeks upon weeks of in game time go by with nothing of any significance happening it almost feels that the character was abandoned.

I agree with that. Hopefully act 1 get's some sort of conclusion soon so it doesn't "when weeks upon weeks of in game time go by with nothing of any significance happening it almost feels that the character was abandoned." and act 2 steps it up a notch with it's main set of character while pacing things out better with it's side characters in between.

 

[Raven_Light]

yeppp

(I would even add, it's not even that interesting as a point of discussion, hence my bafflement to see how it attracts all the attention and heat compared to many other objectively worse things that happen in many games here)

Agreed

 

[ashkatchemall25]

In my opinion, the fact NTR is a possibility in the game makes the game a tad more real to me. It gets me to pay closer attention to avoid making the mistake of losing my partner. The feeling of failing and losing my partner hits hard, but its a feeling of adrenaline, get her back, get revenge, or go on a rampage. Feels good although the first feel is bad lol. In the end, it's crazy to think there isnt any competition out there and the things you say or do don't have any serious negative consequences. NTR makes the game a bit better for me because of that. The fact most if not all NTR can be avoided is always a plus. I play the game multiple times to experience multiple different things. In one try, I'll have the strongest bond and try to avoid the corruption, in another, ill allow some but maintain a bond, etc etc etc. Could the game use a bit more content non-corruption related? Maybe? But the reality of this game is the two are bound to a pair of demonic twins who are indeed, spreading some corruption, even if subtle. Overall, this game is one of my top favorite games. Can't wait for the next Act. I just need to know what happens next.