Ren'Py Seeds of Chaos [v0.4.08] [Vénus Noire]

[Jynx_lucky_j]

So for me it skips all that. I get the prologue choices and whether I want NTR content or not but once I get to the main game and week 1 Rowan automatically visits her and she automatically denies Adras.

keep going if you took him up on his offer in the second options you get to slap or fuck him in week 2. If Alexia said she wasn't interested in the second option then she just slams the door on him in week 2

 

[Semantics]

Netorare: 95% of the NTR content in the game is Netorare.

The majority of the netorare content is Alexia x Twins from Rowan's PoV.

Maybe Rowan x Hel or Delane from Alexia's POV? Delane seemed to be kinda set up to be a romantic competitor for Alexia, but Delane was sort of

Spoiler: fate of Delane

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- so I'm not sure.

If you sub to Cilonia this might also lead to netorare from Alexia's PoV- Cilonia seems.... very possessive.

Maybe the Twins x Rowan NPC arcs will have a Netorare pathing when they are written as well. Currently Rowan x Twins is a cheating vibe instead of a Netorare vibe.

Netorase: 2 scenes, 4 if you are being generous with classification

Greyhide): I haven't played the GH route in full- but there are two scenes that you could call Netorase amongst them. 1 for each of the MCs POV. Everything else in the Greyhide arc is just open relationship, poly relationship, or cheating. (Though a bunch of the events are still kinda written to reflect the Netorare framework they originally had)

Helanya): If we count a NPC cuck-queening for the PC as netorase Helanya has two scenes for it. (One with Liurial and one with a Castle Maid).

Looking forward to more when Winter works on the arc later. Cla-Min + Mini x Rowan x Hel would be delicious.

Netori: Maybe later?

Shaya): You could argue that one side of this route is headed for Netori. Won't find out until act 2.

Other potential Netori targets that would be fun):

~Alexia steals Mary from Jezera
~The MCs steal Zharia from Andras
~The MCs steal Indarah from Jak

NTR Info




A lot of this depends on how you define NTR. For a lot of people, they only care about NTR if it is the woman cheating. By default the game gives ample opportunity for both husband and wife to have sex with other people, some with their partner’s knowledge, much without. However every sex scene is entirely optional, and both the protagonists can turn down any advances without major repercussions. Disabling NTR simply removes the option for the wife to accept any advances.

Netorare needs to have some aspect of a feeling of loss/jealousy/negativity for the protagonist, otherwise it's just cheating. (And the same for netorase, just replace negativity with "enjoying/getting off on it.") So most of Rowan having sex with people in his travels isn't netorare even with Alexia as a side-protagonist, because there's no real sense of negativity from Alexia about those encounters, because she doesn't know or suspect and the characters aren't trying to take Rowan away, they're just enjoying a fling.

As monk noted, Delane was set up like she would end up being netorare from Alexia's point of view,

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The start of Rowan x Helayna content likely counts from Alexia's point of view (Helayna isn't trying to steal Rowan away, but Alexia does have a lot of negative emotions branch out of it, including the worry that the castle is corrupting Rowan and pulling them apart.) Liurial might count as netorare from Alexia's point of view, but the potential for that scene to turn into a threesome between them after, like, 10 minutes hurts that case. Maybe the other versions of that scene support it, but I haven't seen them yet. The Twins and potentially Cliohna from Alexia's viewpoint are two I should have thought of. The Twins almost certainly fit the definition (Or will eventually), and Cliohna might. One of the two Shaya paths could also fit from Alexia's viewpoint, given the subtext of what's happening (Or is it even subtext at the end of current content? I can't remember.)

And for the more general point, most people don't care about NTR when the man does it because most of those games are male protagonist, and by definition the protagonist cheating on NPCs isn't netorare/netorase. It could instead be argued to be hypocritical that that some amount of those who dislike being cheated don't mind cheating on someone else in a game (But for a laundry list of reasons I've always found that argument a bit weak and very, very pointless.)

(And for all of these points, the fact that many people conflate cheating/sharing/swinging/etc. with NTR is, in itself, an entirely different discussion.)

Hoo. I think I've already written enough on fetishes I don't even like to last the entire year. Maybe I should take up hibernation.

No. There should be a seperate menu option besides fool around with her, if the event has not procced yet.

I didn't have that menu option, but this is still the same save where her other content couldn't be advanced through the fool around menu, so that might not mean much beyond my save being borked for manually triggering any of her new content.

 

[Marius138]

keep going if you took him up on his offer in the second options you get to slap or fuck him in week 2. If Alexia said she wasn't interested in the second option then she just slams the door on him in week 2

Ugh. I kept missing it by stopping short and then skipping the prologue. On track now. Thanks for your help!

 

[Harem Trooper]

It is worth mentioning that the wife has more potential scene with the MC than with any other character. I say “potential” because some scenes have specific triggers and others are triggered by RNG. Also the MC has almost twice as many people that he can have sex with than the wife does in just the castle, if you count the outside world it isn’t even close.

Yet I consistently see the sentiment that the wife is getting around more than the MC, but from a strictly numbers standpoint is isn’t even close. I suspect that this has to do with the physiological phenomenon that were remember negative event more easily and clearly than we do positive events. So when people look back over their play experience they remember all the time they were cheated on and gloss over all the sleeping around they did themselves.

You probably right here. Like I said I didnt played through the full game, only tested it to a specific point. But from the CGs I saw on hitomi.la , which sadly didnt get updated in 2 years now, most of the scenes were with Alexia doing NTR, different girls (probably LIs) who also bangs different guys and MC had mostly Gay sex scenes. Only some part of it was where MC could have "normal" hetero sex scenes with them. So perhaps in these two years some stuff got added ?
So my thought of the game is that its more of a fuck fest type of game where you get many fetishes but the world exists as a fundament for you to explore a world with corruption without any real MC and you are more or less a observer. And the "normal" scenes are just a like the other fetishes, but in less amount.
Now I hear the game got another rework ? Also a new artist ?

That said every major character is getting some major reworks and expanded content so maybe when all is said and done there will also be enough “safe” content for a satisfying experience as well.

If lets say I would give the game another go, what and how I should I play to get the most "hetero" type of scenes ? Art looks amazing, the Sandbox is pretty nicely done and it has moster girls (Who dosent like Monster Girls )
Im not a fan of NTR at all (Netorare. Im total fine with Netori if the MC does that), so thats why I would normally disable it, but it sounds like what you said that I should be more of the evil guy ? I mean its nice that I even can play a goody-good guy in a evil and corrupted world but this sounds ,and from my previous playthrough it was shown, that its more like this playthrough has the least amount of contend.

I dont mind playing the suppose type of playthrough, aka the bad guy, because I also want to tame that blue deamon chick because she seems to put the MC through a much of trouble.

Edit: Forgot to ask about the Sex-between others content. Is it still be visible even when I put NTR-off or will it not be shown too ?
Because lets say If I want to rescue the Girl from the Orcs, from the CGs it seems she will have sex with them anyway before MC could intervene because he wasnt there. Or is this the same like Alexia where you have NTR-On you have the option to let it happen or refuse to let it happen ?

 

[Machakasaurius]

Seeds of Chaos Extended Scene Replay Mod
by MonkOne​

Features:

• Add all scenes in Walkthrough file to scenes replay.
• Option to filterout NTR and/or gay scenes in scenes replay.

Download:

• Attachment

Install:

• Extract downloaded archive into game folder(where executable file is).

Changelog:
Version 0303M:

• Update to game version 0.3.03. All new scenes with cg and new cgs added to replay.

Spoiler: Older

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Waiting patiently for this awesome mod to be updated.

 

[hafasd]

so whats new changelog update when?

 

[Rein]

scrap the whole concept and start anew (hard, since we're sitting on the 100s of random events)

You don't say.

pump out a shitload of variables to make the whole thing feel more clean and less confusing.

I'll see what I can do. How hard can it be.

 

[T51bwinterized]

You probably right here. Like I said I didnt played through the full game, only tested it to a specific point. But from the CGs I saw on hitomi.la , which sadly didnt get updated in 2 years now, most of the scenes were with Alexia doing NTR, different girls (probably LIs) who also bangs different guys and MC had mostly Gay sex scenes. Only some part of it was where MC could have "normal" hetero sex scenes with them. So perhaps in these two years some stuff got added ?
So my thought of the game is that its more of a fuck fest type of game where you get many fetishes but the world exists as a fundament for you to explore a world with corruption without any real MC and you are more or less a observer. And the "normal" scenes are just a like the other fetishes, but in less amount.
Now I hear the game got another rework ? Also a new artist ?


If lets say I would give the game another go, what and how I should I play to get the most "hetero" type of scenes ? Art looks amazing, the Sandbox is pretty nicely done and it has moster girls (Who dosent like Monster Girls )
Im not a fan of NTR at all (Netorare. Im total fine with Netori if the MC does that), so thats why I would normally disable it, but it sounds like what you said that I should be more of the evil guy ? I mean its nice that I even can play a goody-good guy in a evil and corrupted world but this sounds ,and from my previous playthrough it was shown, that its more like this playthrough has the least amount of contend.

I dont mind playing the suppose type of playthrough, aka the bad guy, because I also want to tame that blue deamon chick because she seems to put the MC through a much of trouble.

Edit: Forgot to ask about the Sex-between others content. Is it still be visible even when I put NTR-off or will it not be shown too ?
Because lets say If I want to rescue the Girl from the Orcs, from the CGs it seems she will have sex with them anyway before MC could intervene because he wasnt there. Or is this the same like Alexia where you have NTR-On you have the option to let it happen or refuse to let it happen ?

We define NTR exclusively as "Sex between someone in committed relationship with Rowan and someone else". The scale of sexuality in the game and the extent that it permeates the fascets of the world makes it impossible to tell the story with the kind of "all sex scenes are with the MC" energy some games try to have. There just too many scenes to that extent and some of them are plot important.

There are however, much more scenes featuring Rowan as a total percentage. Our last year of development has focused on adding in for the relationship between Rowan and the other castle characters. As a result there have been perhaps over 100 new scenes featuring him and another character in the last two years.

 

[Zarzal]

I've avoided this game since its inception because of the huge focus on NTR in its infancy (apparently somebody whaled for the game to put all the NTR stuff in)

Is it worth playing now? It seems you can now skip the NTR content but does that leave the game with few scenes if you do so?

 

[blockbusted]

keep going if you took him up on his offer in the second options you get to slap or fuck him in week 2. If Alexia said she wasn't interested in the second option then she just slams the door on him in week 2

Do you know how to trigger "Alexia fertility" on the debug?

 

[MonkOne]

Seeds of Chaos Extended Scene Replay Mod
by MonkOne​

Features:

• Add all scenes in Walkthrough file to scenes replay.
• Option to filterout NTR and/or gay scenes in scenes replay.

Download:

• Attachment

Install:

• Extract downloaded archive into game folder(where executable file is).

Changelog:
Version 0304M:

• Update to game version 0.3.04. All new scenes with cg and new cgs added to replay.

Spoiler: Older

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Updated!

 

[kelystain]

Draith: "So who's the better lover?"

Greyhide: explains the complex cluster of emotions he feels when he's with Rowan in a very thought out way

Greyhide: "And that's why Rowan is the better lover"

Draith: "Okay, what about you Rowan?"

Rowan: "Umm... umm... minotaur dick bigg"

Is this going to be a plot point later? Rowan's side of this relationship is so shallow. Like, damn, Greyhide is more devoted to him than his own wife. Greyhide even asks for permission just to get a BJ from Draith.

Damn it Rowan, you got your hands on the perfect muscle sub and you're still stuck on that dick mentally when there's an entire body to appreciate.

How can I get this scene in the game？

 

[Rein]

I've avoided this game since its inception because of the huge focus on NTR in its infancy (apparently somebody whaled for the game to put all the NTR stuff in)

Is it worth playing now? It seems you can now skip the NTR content but does that leave the game with few scenes if you do so?

There's literally over a hundred sex scenes at this point I think, we don't bother to count how many of them are various flavour of NTR.

But yeah, you can play without NTR and still enjoy yourself.

 

[bt67home]

There's people that complain about NTR and then there's me quietly anticipating the list of anyone that isn't Rowan that is able to impregnate Alexia.

 

[Rugerrell6]

How do I get…


Keep visiting Cla-min at the caravan each of her events trigger several weeks after each other in a fairly linear fashion. Just keep helping her out with her schemes and you’ll get there.



You need to have accepted X’zaratl’s advances and have recruited Liurial. Then keep visiting the Dark Sanctum while waiting for the RNG gods to give you X’zaratl’s gender debate scene. IT the one where Liurial is sent to survey the cubi, but she gets flustered because they keep changing genders and has to amend the survey. Near the end X’zaratl with as you if you want to do “butt stuff” with her. Tell her you’re down for butt stuff then visit her again next week



The event is called “threes_company” it is a randomly occurring end of week event the only requirement is the previous Liurial events which in turn are all random end of week events. The one immediately before this even is “liurials_vistors” which is the one where her old master comes to try to get her back. IT can trigger any time after week 33 so if you see it you’ll know you are close.

Now as to whether you will be able to convince Alexia to have a threesome is dependent on a variety of factors. As T51bwinterized said previously:





It’s called diplomatic_immunity. Alexia has to be working the Barmaid Job and you need to have seen the Jezera_s_alliance_making_skills, which is the scene where she paraded you before an elven noble lady before losing her temper and killing the elf. When the scene is triggered if her corruption is at least medium she will have the option to protect someone by sleeping with a couple goblins. If her corruption is too low she will have to help him in a different way.



It has been reworked into an entirely new scene that give Alexia the agency in deciding what she does. First you’ll get to decide whether or not she starts to warm up to him. Then you get to choose whether or not you are interested in accepting his advances, and finally when the truth comes out that Adras has been lying to her she can either slap him or hate fuck him.


This is taking too long.




Yes, this game has been in development for a long times considering the progress they made. Until someone recently the game’s development has been rather haphazard and without a sense of direction. Which let to a fair amount of bloat.

However, the developers have started making a development road map to keep them on track and limit their focus. Thus far it seems to have made a big difference and the development is proceeding much more smoothly. The main story hasn’t advanced because the developers want to wrap up all the loose threads they created in the past and give all the important characters the depth their patron are demanding, before finishing up the current act. It makes sense that they wouldn’t want to start the development on the act 2 while still devoting a lot of time on time to tying up the loose threads and adding depth to the characters in the 1st Act that is supposed to ostensibly be finished.

In addition, they have recently brought new writers onto the team so it stands to reason that we can expect the pace to pick up in the future.

Here is the last roadmap they put out. Please not that as of this update Cla-Min’s Arc and the Prologue Rework are complete.
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As a side note:
Software versions don't use decimals in the traditional sense. Instead they are counting types of changes and updates. Using 0.3.02 as an example. The first number (0) is the completed build. It will become 1 when the game is finished, some software may go through multiple complete builds and this number can go higher than 1. The second number (3) is the number of major updates the software has received since the last complete build. This is how many times the code has had a major change in how it functions. In this latest version there was a complete overhaul of the game's skill system. The third number (02) are how many minor updates the software has received since the last major update. This is stuff that doesn't change how the code functions. For this game mostly additional scenes and artwork.

Let’s pretend our number has received a ton of minor updates and is sitting at 0.3.99. Then we give it another minor update. It doesn't become 0.4.0, because we still haven't put out a major update. Instead it becomes 0.3.100 because we have given it 100 minor updates since the last time we gave it a major update.


What’s new in the update?





NEW EVENTS
- One new Cla-Min NPC arc event (her act I finale, including one sex scene, with a repeatable variant)
- One new Alexia fertility treatment event (including one new sex scene)
- Three new ruler events (including four new sex scenes)
- One new abbey resource event (including one new sex scene)

REWORKED CONTENT
- The remainder of the intro has been reworked to bring it in line with the past improved content (includes two reworked sex scenes)
- The Rowan x Alexia x Liurial threesome event has been completely rewritten to add a great deal of variant text depending on a number of different game states, and make it easier to achieve if the threesome if Rowan and Alexia have been acting accordingly (including one reworked sex scene)
- Cla-Min's Repeatable Titfuck event has been expanded and adjusted, to bring it in line with Cla-Min's NPC arc changes
- Cla-Min's sword bribe event has been reworked entirely, and is now repeatable. Sex with Cla-Bow now has its own separate event
- The forge event featuring Liurial has been reworked to bring it in line with her NPC arc changes
- Two repeatable maid events now include malicious gossip about Rowan's activities, if the player has NTR enabled but has yet to pledge Alexia to either of the twins. Should Alexia give them faith, her score with Rowan will start to deteriorate, to the point where NTR entry events can trigger

ART
- 16 new CGs (with 17 variants)
- 12 Helayna CGs have been reworked to better suit the game's aesthetic

QoL
- A number of bugs have been fixed (including all outstanding wound-related errors)

Spoiler: Previous Changelog

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NTR Info




A lot of this depends on how you define NTR. For a lot of people, they only care about NTR if it is the woman cheating. By default the game gives ample opportunity for both husband and wife to have sex with other people, some with their partner’s knowledge, much without. However every sex scene is entirely optional, and both the protagonists can turn down any advances without major repercussions. Disabling NTR simply removes the option for the wife to accept any advances.

Skip to the good stuff



This isn't the sort of game that a "completed save" or a traditional “walkthrough mod” would do anything for. You are probably looking for something more like the Seeds of Chaos Extended Scene Replay Mod or using UnRen.bat to enable developer mode and pick out specific scenes or read the scene requirements.

Well if thats the case i'd like to make a scene remake request. I hope they remake the Amerlaine or whatever her name is scenes cause in my opinion they were the worst in the game artwise. Amerlaine and the chunky redhed (forget her name) those scenes should def get remade.

 

[diebesgrab]

There's literally over a hundred sex scenes at this point

 

[Fleep]

The only scene remake I'd like is Alexia x Wollop (I just made that name up, right? It's the creature with the tentacles). As it is I recall that for the scene to happen she needs to be fucking Andras, or Andras gets to fuck her as part of the previous scene, something like that. I dislike that because I don't have anything about an almost nonsentinent creature having fun with Alexa and I like the idea for the scene, but I don't want her to fuck Andras, and I think both things could be separated.

 

[DownTheDrain]

Is it worth playing now? It seems you can now skip the NTR content but does that leave the game with few scenes if you do so?

If it's worth playing for the sex alone depends a lot on what fetishes you enjoy, or at least tolerate.

Being straight and not interested in getting my character dommed or cucked it felt that about 80% of the sexual content was clearly not for me. In my last playthrough I had to go through long stretches of just clicking away between scenes I actually enjoyed. On the other hand, if you swing both ways or like to submit there's plenty for you to fap to even if you refuse to pass your wife around to every demon, monster and henchman.

 

[Harem Trooper]

We define NTR exclusively as "Sex between someone in committed relationship with Rowan and someone else".

From other posts I know that without this option there wont be any scenes with Alexia and some other guy because they start already in a relationship. And I know that during the story the MC will meet different other girls. I dont know if I could call them LIs because if they are, then after they are "committed " (And this is another big drama here when its starts) then the sex scenes involved with other guys is also avoided after that ?
Like the Girl with the red hair and long braid. After we meet her, are we "committed" now because we start our relationship as players/readers or does that only count when both of them get on the same level as Alexia ?
Because I see some CGs with her fucking a different guy (probably before meeting MC), but also some CGs with her doing GBs.
Thats why I asked if this will be similar with Alexia where you have the option to choose if you will allow it or not.

The scale of sexuality in the game and the extent that it permeates the fascets of the world makes it impossible to tell the story with the kind of "all sex scenes are with the MC" energy some games try to have. There just too many scenes to that extent and some of them are plot important.

Thanks for the clarification. So I was wrong in my previous estimation about NTR and MC-only content playthrough. I can see why people will still be against it or label it as NTR. But like I said, even if im not a fan of it, it makes more sense in this type of game.
IMO, it still possible to make a game/story with a dark setting or corrupted like in this one and still has "all sex scenes are with the MC". Its just how well executed it is. But these are two different world story telling and different target audiences.

There are however, much more scenes featuring Rowan as a total percentage. Our last year of development has focused on adding in for the relationship between Rowan and the other castle characters. As a result there have been perhaps over 100 new scenes featuring him and another character in the last two years.

No hate or shame if your into other stuff but from point of even if Rowan got more contend now but when its mostly what im not into, then there is no point for me.

I have some other "problems" with the game, but I dont know if I should or even can mention them when I didnt even proper played it. At least one full playthrough is needed for that. So, one full bottle of wine and some hours into the game

 

[360 Danny DeVitos Later]

I love the new Hel look. She looks strong but still very feminine.

The majority of the female characters in the game have huge mommy milkers.

The smaller bust is welcome- for variety and it also just looks better. Are there even any female characters who aren't at least rocking a B cup? Maud maybe?

So agreed love me tits with an orbit but it's nice not to have everyone be too similar and Helayna is a soldier it suits her. Same for Cla-Min, Liurial, Jezera etc different personalities, looks and races. Games a lot more interesting for it.