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Nym85

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No, the goblins aren't fully recruit able as of now, they do have several events. Also I do believe the devs have stated that you will be able to recruit both the goblins and the orcs, I don't see how you wouldn't since you can start very early and the timeframe you're given is super lenient.
And you could just divide your attention working on them on alternate days. At most it might take you a bit back on map exploration.
 
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And you could just divide your attention working on them on alternate days. At most it might take you a bit back on map exploration.
I find it easier to just focus one group at a time so you don't have to waste so much time travelling between the too. But right now we're given so much time I'm sure it's feasible to do so.
 

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Starting from nearest spawn point you can reach either of these locations in single turn once the route is explored, so you don't really waste any time travelling, if you want to alternate.
 

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im very early in this game. like the first hour or two. Rowan is pathetically weak for being a "legendary hero."
What do you base this opinion on? Hard to blame the guy he can't single-handedly dispose of children of a demon that took entire group of "legendary heroes" just to hold back and literal divine intervention to banish. Even then he comes pretty close. "Smaller" threats like entire groups of orcs, he's capable of defeating them or running circles around them as he pleases.
 

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What do you base this opinion on? Hard to blame the guy he can't single-handedly dispose of children of a demon that took entire group of "legendary heroes" just to hold back and literal divine intervention to banish. Even then he comes pretty close. "Smaller" threats like entire groups of orcs, he's capable of defeating them or running circles around them as he pleases.
Andras smoking him 1vs1. Making him flee. But i later learned he wasn't the strongest of the six heroes. But the slyest
 

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Rowan is down to earth hero rather than epic hero. Competent fighter in a way a normal can achieve after years of training and having experience battles to death. His value is more in his strategic thinking (again in a normal way), and his strategies can get dirty if it gets the job done.
 

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Andras smoking him 1vs1. Making him flee. But i later learned he wasn't the strongest of the six heroes. But the slyest
The outcome depends on the PC's fight stat, you can actually raise it enough to stand your ground enough to impress Andras (granted, you won't have that if the event fires early) The "normal" outcome of getting beaten is a combination of multiple factors -- Rowan not being fight-oriented "hero", Andras being a spawn of super-demon that no human could dream of defeating single-handedly, and also the fact it's been years since the war, so Rowan's skills have deteriorated somewhat over time.
 

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The outcome depends on the PC's fight stat, you can actually raise it enough to stand your ground enough to impress Andras (granted, you won't have that if the event fires early) The "normal" outcome of getting beaten is a combination of multiple factors -- Rowan not being fight-oriented "hero", Andras being a spawn of super-demon that no human could dream of defeating single-handedly, and also the fact it's been years since the war, so Rowan's skills have deteriorated somewhat over time.
I adhere to the theory that Rowan in fact is just a dumb ordinary guy who have enough luck to be placed and be with the right conditions to achieve everyone believe that he did most all stuff people thinks of him during and after the war, before that he wasn't anything different from a peasant, he's not a nobleman of any sort not even close to be bastard of one, and, Rowan could beat in intelligence and knowledge all the nobility during the War?, this is hilarious, he barely had a sword and this wasn't even a good one or magical, no, he doesn't even had an armor, all i can remember of him is that everybody and including himself believe in his achievements during the War, but it was that true and not a psychological effect produce by a man who wanted to rise in life? a man who, survive long enough during missions, even to those who were his superiors and found at the right moment in the correct circumstances? a man who, after the madness of the outcome and the people acclaim him as a Hero began to seriously believe in that lie?. That's for me is Rowan.
 
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he's not a nobleman of any sort not even close to be bastard of one, and, Rowan could beat in intelligence and knowledge all the nobility during the War
"knowledge and experience of nobility" is vastly overselling actual skills (or lack thereof) of most nobles ("and in the game"). When you're surrounded by pampered fools who run at first sight of trouble or get themselves killed in foolish "honorable" charges, merely having good instincts when to run and when to make a stand --or much better, an ambush-- will go a long way towards getting to the top.

Or, put it differently -- the most acclaimed noble of the realm, who has fought side by side with Rowan for years, recognizes his skills as military commander. He doesn't want him promoted to a noble, but that's because it'd defy the holy order where peasants are only ever supposed to be peasants, not because he thinks Rowan lacks what it takes to be a military leader.
 
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Luisisisus

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Still praying for a Rowan Maximum Cock Revengeance arc in the next phase of the game once that enters development. My guy has been trampled too much by the twins, he has the makings of a king, all he lacks is the belief.

Also the Alexia's corruption arc is hella hot and I hope it continues soon, but in my idealized ending she a ho and Rowan deserves better
 

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"knowledge and experience of nobility" is vastly overselling actual skills (or lack thereof) of most nobles ("and in the game"). When you're surrounded by pampered fools who run at first sight of trouble or get themselves killed in foolish "honorable" charges, merely having good instincts when to run and when to make a stand --or much better, an ambush-- will go a long way towards getting to the top.

Or, put it differently -- the most acclaimed noble of the realm, who has fought side by side with Rowan for years, recognizes his skills as military commander. He doesn't want him promoted to a noble, but that's because it'd defy the holy order where peasants are only ever supposed to be peasants, not because he thinks Rowan lacks what it takes to be a military leader.
And you never thought that Rowan "abilities" and "achievements" were in your words "overselling"... A guy with that curriculum was fool by a pair of brothers who nearly can work together, moreover, this guy, came after the rescue of his wife without a plan nor preparation, his "nobleman comrades" never move a finger for him, a thing is fighting together and another side by side, if you command in different fronts you fight side by side but not exactly together, Rowan could gain charisma between the soldiers because many of them came from the same source as him, from the commoners, and after his "victories" he obtain the sympathy of the army and the acknowledge of the nobles but doesn't mean that he is better than the rest of the entire world, he's on the same level, there are things in the story told of what Rowan has done that doesn't make sense, and we can assume this holes in the narrative or suspicious since the beginning, when Rowan came to live in the Town as others commoners did and after his marriage, why he should be so uncaring about his abilities? in-game in a conversation with the Elder there's an option to tell to the Elder "The Price of Peace is Eternal Vigilance", if Rowan can have that thought is doesn't make any sense that his overall status are just shit, nor less that he had barely a sword but no armor at sight, and without forgetting that in a War against the Father of the Twins there must have been magic casters, how the hell Rowan wouldn't have even basic equipment to resist some magic?, i'm not stating that he could just break the magic cast on him to enslave him but something to be protected against sensorial alterations, fire, frost or some shit like that that could be used in combat. Instead of any of that, he could barely have a sword and one that doesn't look too good...
 
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And you never thought that Rowan "abilities" and "achievements" were in your words "overselling"
No; Rowan's prowess during the war was, ultimately, determined/verified by the outcomes of engagements he was in charge of. Apparently, those outcomes were positive enough to gain him the renown he enjoys.

in-game in a conversation with the Elder there's an option to tell to the Elder "The Price of Peace is Eternal Vigilance", if Rowan can have that thought is doesn't make any sense that his overall status are just shit
That's referring to the routine patrols Rowan performs around his village; it shouldn't be confused with active, all day long military training/workout you'd need to maintain skills in top shape.
 
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Oriandu

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im very early in this game. like the first hour or two. Rowan is pathetically weak for being a "legendary hero."
Well keep playing then and you'll realize that Rowan would be a Gary Stu if it wasn't for the scenario of the game putting him in a disadvantageous position. Rowan! Who's a master strategist that can eke a win out of even the worst circumstances? Rowan. Who's a master negotiator? Rowan. Who's an extremely skilled fighter? Rowan. Who's got knowledge of damned near everything he encounters? Rowan. Who adapts to nearly every situation he's put in? Rowan. Who's great in the sack? Rowan. With a big dick? Rowan. And managed to land the hottest girl in the village? Rowan. And is so unbelievably organized, quick thinking, and overall skilled in the art of building an army that Jezera and Andras pressed him into service to do the work of like six people with only an anorexic elf sub as to help him? Rowan. Rowan is broken as fuck.
 
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Well keep playing then and you'll realize that Rowan would be a Gary Stu if it wasn't for the scenario of the game putting him in a disadvantageous position. Rowan! Who's a master strategist that can eke a win out of even the worst circumstances? Rowan. Who's a master negotiator? Rowan. Who's an extremely skilled fighter? Rowan. Who's got knowledge of damned near everything he encounters? Rowan. Who adapts to nearly every situation he's put in? Rowan. Who's great in the sack? Rowan. With a big dick? Rowan. And managed to land the hottest girl in the village? Rowan. And is so unbelievably organized, quick thinking, and overall skilled in the art of building an army that Jezera and Andras pressed him into service to do the work of like six people with only an anorexic elf sub as to help him? Rowan. Rowan is broken as fuck.
Jesus christ im hoping for a revenge ending where Rowan butchers the twins. I hope he butchers the twins and becomes king. At least, i hope thats one of the endings anyway...
The dude seems too OP to be trapped in this situation
 

AimlessFool

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The prologue states that saintess literally summoned Goddess to defeat Karnas.I personally dont think that the other 4 heroes are much different than Rowan.
 
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No; Rowan's prowess during the war was, ultimately, determined/verified by the outcomes of engagements he was in charge of. Apparently, those outcomes were positive enough to gain him the renown he enjoys.


That's referring to the routine patrols Rowan performs around his village; it shouldn't be confused with active, all day long military training/workout you'd need to maintain skills in top shape.
No, Rowan have people in the Twins army that serve as commanders, what Rowan does is giving some essential orders but he's not the head behind the tactics taken during operational execution. That not implies that he's a brilliant genius in combat, if he were, he would choose the commanders for a determinate mission or group of soldiers in a specific position during an assault, invasion, conquest or front line. The most close to that is the quest were an orc and a mercenary was discussing about a town ownership, Rowan can choose in favor to the human mercenary by remember his authority was given by the Twins as Might Makes Right but it can choose a more simple solution, give the ownership to who in battle persist, in this option the human mercenary doesn't have any chance against the orc. Another hint of why Rowan don't known a shit about tactic is when The Twins ask him about what could be better if intelligence or force against the enemies in reference about the war they are doing and the demise of their father, Rowan have to choose an option (mainly to comply with one or another master), if Rowan would need to choose to advance the story he doesn't known a shit about tactics.

Finally, seriously? if you are going for patrol about possible dangers around the village were you live for any threat (orcs, demons or even commons thieves), it is unreasonable to have enough workout from the military training experience?.
 

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No, Rowan have people in the Twins army that serve as commanders (...)
Completely irrelevant. You were questioning Rowan's performance when he was fighting on human side, against the demon army. My counterargument was that the results he's achieved back then speak for themselves. Do you really think leading successful defense against prolonged siege, including counters of multiple attacks of overwhelming force ... is something that can be chalked up just to dumb luck, and what a guy who "knows shit about tactics" could achieve? Because if you do, then i'd have to conclude it's you who don't know shit about these matters.

The demons employ Rowan in a very different role, so don't look at his current duties as a display of what he was doing back then.

Finally, seriously? if you are going for patrol about possible dangers around the village were you live for any threat (orcs, demons or even commons thieves), it is unreasonable to have enough workout from the military training experience?.
How many peasants do you know who have enough time in the day and physical strength to do both their own labor and full-time skill training of a soldier? Yes, it is unreasonable to expect someone to hold two physically exhausting and time-consuming jobs. Just as it's unreasonable to expect some routine patrols around village will somehow maintain combat skills to the same degree constant, day longs trainings or taking part in actual war does.
 
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