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He's entirely on his own and the castle is in completely desolate area. No one even knows (nor believes) the demons have settled it again. The only way for him to find out what's inside i.e. get the information is to infiltrate the place, which he does. Quite skillfully, we might add, for a supposed clueless peasant you so want him to be. What do you think he should've done instead, specifically?
They don't know because it was post watchmen in the nearby to make sure or because nobody believe that after the War it would recover soon the demonkind so they became careless... The point is, Rowan not infiltrate, he just enter the Castle, for a successful infiltration you need to have information about the enemy, how it operates, with who make contacts, if Rowan couldn't achieve that with his nobleman "comrades" then he was in the position to do it on his own, and even if he could recover solid evidence of their recovery, his duty was report that to the Kingdom, not enter alone to rescue his wife, nonetheless, for the sake of the Story, even if he was desperate to enter because his wife was in danger, the less he could do is after seeing the movements of the enemy, he could change his appearance and try to become a worker inside the Castle, once there, recover more information and do was necessary until reach his wife with a plan for escaping in hands until they become trap by a the treason or suspicious of a worker in the Castle. This would make far more larger the prologue, but at the same time enjoyable.
All knowledge is something a person comes up with at some point. And regularly it's multiple, completely different people, in different places and at different times, especially when this knowledge isn't shared. You may say it's reinventing the wheel, but it happens all the same. Just because Sun Tzu had come up with "if equally matched, we can offer battle; if slightly inferior in numbers, we can avoid the enemy; if quite unequal in every way, we can flee from him." doesn't mean no other person ever will realize the same thing without reading the Art of War. A lot of warfare is instinctual -- it's based on common sense (and especially on "playing dirty") something the nobility is prone to lack or ignore, either because they're drilled about importance of nonsense like honor fights, or they're much more invested in pursuing political gains and power plays.
And because of that Rowan it's more close to Mulan 2020 than Mulan 1998, without being a nobleman with studies about the correct use of weaponry and tactics, he could surpass anyone with studies and experience just by mere instincts, because he born like that, to be the Greatest General of all Times without committing fatal mistakes during his way to the Greatness during The War, he doesn't even had to learn because he never committed a mistake, he doesn't even had to work harder to make possible all the achievements he had on his curriculum, because he is The Chosen One (it doesn't count how it ended as a "Chosen One" during Act I of course).

What you wrote me, it makes me think that you seriously believe that anyone here can make better an Open Heart Surgery without touching a medicine book than the guy that have the study with the best acknowledgment of his generation with years of practice...
 
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And because of that Rowan it's more close to Mulan 2020 than Mulan 1998, without being a nobleman with studies about the correct use of weaponry and tactics, he could surpass anyone with studies and experience just by mere instincts, because he born like that, to be the Greatest General of all Times without committing fatal mistakes during his way to the Greatness during The War, he doesn't even had to learn because he never committed a mistake, he doesn't even had to work harder to make possible all the achievements he had on his curriculum, because he is The Chosen One (it doesn't count how it ended as a "Chosen One" during Act I of course).

What you wrote me, it makes me think that you seriously believe that anyone here can make better an Open Heart Surgery without touching a medicine book than the guy that have the study with the best acknowledgment of his generation with years of practice...
from your replies i get filing that you have some misconceptions how wars where prepared planed and waged in reality. most of time in human history lessons of war where never analyzed and mistakes where never taught to next generation and there where many reasons for it.
1)there where no standing armies for most of time so in most peaceful country's and because of that there didn't exist institutions which would give knowledge to peoples
2)art of war quite precisely describes how people sought of war mainly the "ART" part they sought that for waging wars no special knowledge was needed and aura of command was innate quality of humans
3)there wear very few chances for even for nobles to learn to lead army at best they learned from personal experience (this greatly was depended on person and most never learned anything) and most time they made very horrible conclusion or they where taught from already experience commanders .
4)most ancient wars were from strategic point of view unimageable terrible MOST commanders(nobles or equivalent ) made basic mistakes and in most cases doomed whole armies and kingdoms
5)almost all good generals were bit of lucky and lead armies from there personal experience
6)what nobles learned wasn't strategy but how to wiled weapons' and how to fight
7)i recommend you to read how crusaders fought and lost jerusalem or how romans fought against hanibal and or about any other war and i guaranty you in most cases you will finds 100 of stupid's decisions
if you read any history i guarantee you you will agree that what rowan did is quite realistic
also i think these people will greatly disagree with you
DIOCLETIAN son of a former slave became emperor
AURELIUS peasant became one of best generals of rome and emperor
liu bang peasant became rebel leader than emperor
TOYOTOMI HIDEYOSHI from peasant to ruler of japan
there are MANY more examples i can give you.
I want to end with my opinion that logically these people shouldn't been able to achieve what they achieved but with combination of there mind luck and incompetence of other people despite all odd's they managed so if rowan manages to do same its quite realistic .
sorry for bad English
 

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from your replies i get filing that you have some misconceptions how wars where prepared planed and waged in reality. most of time in human history lessons of war where never analyzed and mistakes where never taught to next generation and there where many reasons for it.
1)there where no standing armies for most of time so in most peaceful country's and because of that there didn't exist institutions which would give knowledge to peoples
That's correct, but in fact, there were the prototype before standing armies that were sometimes called as "mercenary armies", this people normally came from commoners, but they weren't use by many all the time because they weren't precisely reliable and sometimes (if not most) were undisciplined and hard to group and follow orders. Besides, they weren't stand much against a knight, as mercenaries most of them just had light armor and weapons for mobility and not the best trained is most kind of weapons.
from your replies i get filing that you have some misconceptions how wars where prepared planed and waged in reality. most of time in human history lessons of war where never analyzed and mistakes where never taught to next generation and there where many reasons for it.
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2)art of war quite precisely describes how people sought of war mainly the "ART" part they sought that for waging wars no special knowledge was needed and aura of command was innate quality of humans
Sun Tzu said: "The Commander stands for the virtues of wisdom, sincerely, benevolence, courage and strictness.".

"There are three ways in which a ruler can bring misfortune upon his army:

1) By commanding the army to advance or to retreat, being ignorant of the fact that it cannot obey. This is called hobbling the army.".

"There are roads which must not be followed, armies which must be not attacked, towns which must be besieged, positions which must not be contested, commands of the sovereign which must not be obeyed."

The thing isn't about "special knowledge" but not being a complete ignorant, Commanders were made not born.
from your replies i get filing that you have some misconceptions how wars where prepared planed and waged in reality. most of time in human history lessons of war where never analyzed and mistakes where never taught to next generation and there where many reasons for it.
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3)there wear very few chances for even for nobles to learn to lead army at best they learned from personal experience (this greatly was depended on person and most never learned anything) and most time they made very horrible conclusion or they where taught from already experience commanders .
I complete agree, there were times of peace were any form of passing knowledge would just be treat like "meh" and by this, forget-ignored until came war times and many pay the consequences.
from your replies i get filing that you have some misconceptions how wars where prepared planed and waged in reality. most of time in human history lessons of war where never analyzed and mistakes where never taught to next generation and there where many reasons for it.
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4)most ancient wars were from strategic point of view unimageable terrible MOST commanders(nobles or equivalent ) made basic mistakes and in most cases doomed whole armies and kingdoms
That's true, but as you mentioned before:

"3)there wear very few chances for even for nobles to learn to lead army at best they learned from personal experience (this greatly was depended on person and most never learned anything) and most time they made very horrible conclusion or they where taught from already experience commanders ."

And we can't forget that they were still humans, for much they could study and had experience all committed mistakes. Something for what is told about Rowan during war is difficult to assimilate by taking his origins (and mostly from what we see in Act I).
from your replies i get filing that you have some misconceptions how wars where prepared planed and waged in reality. most of time in human history lessons of war where never analyzed and mistakes where never taught to next generation and there where many reasons for it.
...
5)almost all good generals were bit of lucky and lead armies from there personal experience
Again, i complete agree, but not all of them were complete ignorant without any form of studies. Otherwise no one could just achieve something important to forge history.
from your replies i get filing that you have some misconceptions how wars where prepared planed and waged in reality. most of time in human history lessons of war where never analyzed and mistakes where never taught to next generation and there where many reasons for it.
...
6)what nobles learned wasn't strategy but how to wiled weapons' and how to fight

from your replies i get filing that you have some misconceptions how wars where prepared planed and waged in reality. most of time in human history lessons of war where never analyzed and mistakes where never taught to next generation and there where many reasons for it.
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7)i recommend you to read how crusaders fought and lost jerusalem or how romans fought against hanibal and or about any other war and i guaranty you in most cases you will finds 100 of stupid's decisions
Thanks, i pretty sure they did, nonetheless as i wrote they are humans, much different from Rowan's achievements during war.
if you read any history i guarantee you you will agree that what rowan did is quite realistic
As i wrote in other post, if we were told that Rowan came from a Noble House in disgrace now in poverty it would just make a lot of sense, for me, it depends of the circumstances...
also i think these people will greatly disagree with you

DIOCLETIAN son of a former slave became emperor

AURELIUS peasant became one of best generals of rome and emperor
Well, Diocletian wasn't confirmed in reality from were he came from, some said as you stated, others that he was freedman while others said that he was the son of a scribe, so in a sense you can picked his origin by how much you hate him; he was acclaim Emperor by his army. Regarding Aurelius in sharing commons with Diocletian, both lived before Feudalism.
also i think these people will greatly disagree with you
...
liu bang peasant became rebel leader than emperor

TOYOTOMI HIDEYOSHI from peasant to ruler of japan
Liu Bang lived after the Fengjian, which in China in contrast with Europe was like the Middle Age with it's Feudalism. Regarding Toyotomi Hideyoshi, he lived during is considered Feudalism in Japan because a few centuries before Minamoto no Yoritomo founded the Shogunate, nonetheless, this Feudalism wasn't as the Fengjian in China nor like in Europe because it was perfectly possible to change the position in live, that was close by Toyotomi Hideyoshi, he declare that any born peasant will die peasant (by taking him in a few words), and that last for at least 3 centuries.
there are MANY more examples i can give you.
Yes, please, because of the things i don't like of Feudalism the Cast Systems or States Systems in were anyone couldn't change his live for better. I don't know if you had played this game, i know that i wrote much the word Feudalism but that's something important to considerate, most when Rowan himself had to live that reality because it is remarked in the game when The Twins ask him for advice, to change Bloodmeen for a Feudalism full of shit system in were Rowan is given an Hereditary Tittle by The Twins or continue under the old virtue of Might Makes Right. I don't know what you choose but i get second, fuck Feudalism.

Now with that in mind, again, how a commoner like Rowan could just do all the things acknowledge to him? I don't fucking known, because for me doesn't make sense.
I want to end with my opinion that logically these people shouldn't been able to achieve what they achieved but with combination of there mind luck and incompetence of other people despite all odd's they managed so if rowan manages to do same its quite realistic .
It can, but in Rowan's circumstances would just be very hard to be true, there's needed an explanation because by it's told of him it's just too good to felt real.
sorry for bad English
As it is still readable don't worry. Don't fear to make use of a translator from time to time. Pleased to debate with you.
 
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The solution to Rowan not being of a noble house but being suspiciously good at warfare in a time when warriors needed to train constantly to maintain their edge is to have him be a man-at-arms for a knight or nobleman and then to have him show skill and leadership the likes of which make him an equal to Achilles or William Marshall.

Rowan demonstrates all the virtues of a warrior in an undeniable manner in battle after battle, but being a man-at-arms he is constantly overlooked by the nobility. His comrades notice though and find they tend to stay alive when the stick close to him. In an epic battle that could decide the fate of the entire campaign when all seems lost and most of the nobles flee the field Rowan rallies the men with a cool manner and firm hand saving the army from destruction and leading them to a stunning victory. The surviving soldiers give him the Rastedal equivalent of the grass crown. The knights and men-at-arms refuse to be led by anyone else but Rowan and threaten mutiny, so the nobility begrudgingly give him command. He leads them from victory to victory until they vanquish the demon king and his howling hordes.

This explains how he got his skill, why everyone thinks he is a hero and why the nobility don't like him.
 
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I adhere to the theory that Rowan in fact is just a dumb ordinary guy who have enough luck to be placed and be with the right conditions to achieve everyone believe that he did most all stuff people thinks of him during and after the war, before that he wasn't anything different from a peasant, he's not a nobleman of any sort not even close to be bastard of one, and, Rowan could beat in intelligence and knowledge all the nobility during the War?, this is hilarious, he barely had a sword and this wasn't even a good one or magical, no, he doesn't even had an armor, all i can remember of him is that everybody and including himself believe in his achievements during the War, but it was that true and not a psychological effect produce by a man who wanted to rise in life? a man who, survive long enough during missions, even to those who were his superiors and found at the right moment in the correct circumstances? a man who, after the madness of the outcome and the people acclaim him as a Hero began to seriously believe in that lie?. That's for me is Rowan.
Is that an actual theory from players or your head canon? Because absolutely nothing in game hints Rowan is lying. Everyone would also have to be wrong from Jezera, Tue-Row to even Werden to the other heroes that seen him as a peer enough to fight Karnas, Rowans ability to get things done rarely seems in doubt. In game the twins recruiting him also well works. Bloodmeen is operational, they have an orc and soon goblin army, Rosaria falls and Rowan is an important part in it all. After a defeat he ended up in charge where he learnt to command and got very good at it very quickly. There isn't any ambiguity that I've seen that hints Rowan isn't a good war leader. His personal combat abilities are what shade is thrown at, he was not as formidable a combatant as the other heroes. That is literally the hold the twins have on him, they have Alexia and he can't kill them in combat. He can't even try without Alexia becoming a head shorter over it. They have him by the bollocks and he knows it he's options are suicide or service.

SOC seems medieval. Kingdoms for the majority of the dark ages and medieval times had no formalized structure to produce high level officers and generalship, that kind of system is something you mainly see in strong, very well organised and centralised states. From the fall of Rome it took Europe a long time to get back to that point. Rome especially the empire turned citizens whether city poor, farmers or nobles into skilled soldiers, centurions and generals regularly. Medieval Europe did not. Most medieval generals learnt to be good commanders during conflicts not before. They literally brought them to war young specifically to teach them how to command and get experience fighting. Someone learning how to command during a war is realistic. A peasant doing so also isn't that out there. It's not like been born a farmer means you're somehow incapable of learning war. That is quite literally the point, Rowan a common born man learnt how to command better than the nobles did which is the root of their dislike. A peasant doing that undermines the need for the nobility at all because if an exclusive warrior class can be matched by experience and training then why do it's privileges exist at all? Which is accurate, today's armies aren't commanded exclusively by knights after all.

If Rowan has a weakness and flaw it's Alexia and his willingness to be subservient to preserve her life. He should have let her and himself die but there's not much of a game if he does that :). If Rowan is a fake he's doing an extraordinary job because the two things he was set against Karnas and Rosaria didn't last very long.
 

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SOC seems medieval. Kingdoms for the majority of the dark ages and medieval times had no formalized structure to produce high level officers and generalship
Pretty much; military academies as we understand them, with the goal of "producing" knowledgeable, professional officers only really appeared in 18-19th century, which coincided with introduction of universal draft and absolutely massive armies compared to earlier model. There're some insights in what things were like before it .
 

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The point is, Rowan not infiltrate, he just enter the Castle, for a successful infiltration you need to have information about the enemy, how it operates, with who make contacts,
And how do you imagine he should've obtained this information without entering the place to scout it?

if Rowan couldn't achieve that with his nobleman "comrades" then he was in the position to do it on his own, and even if he could recover solid evidence of their recovery, his duty was report that to the Kingdom, not enter alone to rescue his wife,
Rowan has no duty to report anything; he's no active soldier, just a guy whose wife was kidnapped. Furthermore, he already reported the presence of demons. He wasn't believed. What makes you think he would be believed if, after a year or so, he repeated he's seen demons and they're sitting far away in evil castle?

nonetheless, for the sake of the Story, even if he was desperate to enter because his wife was in danger, the less he could do is after seeing the movements of the enemy, he could change his appearance and try to become a worker inside the Castle
How? Knock on the door and ask, "hey guys, i just happened to be passing by this evil abandoned castle in the middle of nowhere, that no one had any sane reason to visit for decades. Apparently, it's not abandoned anymore, are you guys hiring?"

There is no movement of the enemy for Rowan to see from the outside. The enemy uses teleport gate to leave and enter the castle, and you won't see any of that until you're actually inside.

What you wrote me, it makes me think that you seriously believe that anyone here can make better an Open Heart Surgery without touching a medicine book than the guy that have the study with the best acknowledgment of his generation with years of practice...
That's an absolutely silly simile. Commanding armies in medieval times was nowhere near level of open-heart surgery, complexity wise. As evidenced by zero such surgeons in that era while there was plenty of (often clueless) military commanders.

The point is, most people in these times didn't touch any proverbial skill book, because there wasn't anything like that for them to touch. They all largely made it up as they went, on individual basis. In such environment a peasant wasn't handicapped to the point where he could never catch up and/or excel, provided they're smart enough.
 

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You are massively overthinking this. The answer to Rowan's status as a commoner who somehow became a man with advanced knowledge in military tactics, combat, and so on is the fact that this is a fantasy game. It does not have to be accurate to how things work real world, it is not intended to be accurate to the real world. Rowan showed natural talent when fighting against Kharnas' forces, he was elevated to higher ranks over time, he learned as he went, and became a legendary hero. It does not need to be any more complicated than that and as far as we know it isn't.
 

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If Rowan has a weakness and flaw it's Alexia and his willingness to be subservient to preserve her life. He should have let her and himself die but there's not much of a game if he does that :). If Rowan is a fake he's doing an extraordinary job because the two things he was set against Karnas and Rosaria didn't last very long.
I don't see Alexia or Rowan's love for her as a weakness. Sure it made him vulnerable, but all great leaders have weaknesses because being human is what makes them great. They remain connected enough with their own humanity to value the lives of their armies and know how to inspire and motivate. The way I'm playing Rowan is that he's cooperating only enough to keep himself and Alexia safe while he works to ultimately undermine and overthrow the twins. My Rowan will hopefully reach the point where his righteous justice is fully realized. Keeping him as good as possible has been a lot of fun. I look forward to seeing where the game goes and what Rowan is allowed to do.
 

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You are massively overthinking this. The answer to Rowan's status as a commoner who somehow became a man with advanced knowledge in military tactics, combat, and so on is the fact that this is a fantasy game. It does not have to be accurate to how things work real world, it is not intended to be accurate to the real world. Rowan showed natural talent when fighting against Kharnas' forces, he was elevated to higher ranks over time, he learned as he went, and became a legendary hero. It does not need to be any more complicated than that and as far as we know it isn't.
"massively overthinking this" sounds about right. By the way, it should be reminded that the starting point of the game was the idea of exploring 'what happens after': you are a hero after defeating the boss, you came back to your normal life, now what?

In this optics, the details on how Rowan got his hero status are not that essential (although for me they are pretty clear, all things considered). Rowan is basically after he went back to be a farmer. The focus is the next step, not what happened before.
 
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Out of curiosity, does anyone has a walkthrough for the events of the game? I admit that I tend to get confused by the story progress.
 

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For some reason the forge says that it's producing 4 equipment per week but it never does that, i still have the orcs without equipment :(
 

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For some reason the forge says that it's producing 4 equipment per week but it never does that, i still have the orcs without equipment :(
Most of gear/soldier/castle management is either broken or not implemented at all. Am guessing since it's not actually used for anything (other than one of possible paths early in the game, and to minimal extent, i.e. the broken upgrades don't make any difference) there's little incentive to fix this mess.

edit: for the equipment production specifically, iirc it can initially take a few days for the equipment to make it to the soldiers, after the forge is built. Perhaps it's intentional, hard to tell.
 

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The solution to Rowan not being of a noble house but being suspiciously good at warfare in a time when warriors needed to train constantly to maintain their edge is to have him be a man-at-arms for a knight or nobleman and then to have him show skill and leadership the likes of which make him an equal to Achilles or William Marshall.

Rowan demonstrates all the virtues of a warrior in an undeniable manner in battle after battle, but being a man-at-arms he is constantly overlooked by the nobility. His comrades notice though and find they tend to stay alive when the stick close to him. In an epic battle that could decide the fate of the entire campaign when all seems lost and most of the nobles flee the field Rowan rallies the men with a cool manner and firm hand saving the army from destruction and leading them to a stunning victory. The surviving soldiers give him the Rastedal equivalent of the grass crown. The knights and men-at-arms refuse to be led by anyone else but Rowan and threaten mutiny, so the nobility begrudgingly give him command. He leads them from victory to victory until they vanquish the demon king and his howling hordes.

This explains how he got his skill, why everyone thinks he is a hero and why the nobility don't like him.
It could be, but as far as i know during Feudalism was enforced the idea of Class or States in Society were in some form like sacred, so you wouldn't be allow to do another thing in life if your origin (were you were born, like family, social status...) isn't according to it, even the most low of the minor nobleman starving wouldn't be allow to work in the fields so the same for any commoner, none of them would have never the same rights and privileges as the noblemen. If it wasn't any mention of this in Seed of Chaos, it would be mostly normal that Rowan who came from a peasant origin could make great achievments during his service in the army during the War, unfortunately this isn't the case. Besides, the time Achilles lived was way long before feudalism, and he was the son of the King of the Myrmidons with a Goddess which make of him a Demigod, Rowan is good but isn't told so fucking good (yet because this is Act I ;v ). William Marshall was the son of a minor nobleman, so...
Is that an actual theory from players or your head canon? Because absolutely nothing in game hints Rowan is lying. Everyone would also have to be wrong from Jezera, Tue-Row to even Werden to the other heroes that seen him as a peer enough to fight Karnas, Rowans ability to get things done rarely seems in doubt. In game the twins recruiting him also well works. Bloodmeen is operational, they have an orc and soon goblin army, Rosaria falls and Rowan is an important part in it all. After a defeat he ended up in charge where he learnt to command and got very good at it very quickly. There isn't any ambiguity that I've seen that hints Rowan isn't a good war leader. His personal combat abilities are what shade is thrown at, he was not as formidable a combatant as the other heroes. That is literally the hold the twins have on him, they have Alexia and he can't kill them in combat. He can't even try without Alexia becoming a head shorter over it. They have him by the bollocks and he knows it he's options are suicide or service.

SOC seems medieval. Kingdoms for the majority of the dark ages and medieval times had no formalized structure to produce high level officers and generalship, that kind of system is something you mainly see in strong, very well organised and centralised states. From the fall of Rome it took Europe a long time to get back to that point. Rome especially the empire turned citizens whether city poor, farmers or nobles into skilled soldiers, centurions and generals regularly. Medieval Europe did not. Most medieval generals learnt to be good commanders during conflicts not before. They literally brought them to war young specifically to teach them how to command and get experience fighting. Someone learning how to command during a war is realistic. A peasant doing so also isn't that out there. It's not like been born a farmer means you're somehow incapable of learning war. That is quite literally the point, Rowan a common born man learnt how to command better than the nobles did which is the root of their dislike. A peasant doing that undermines the need for the nobility at all because if an exclusive warrior class can be matched by experience and training then why do it's privileges exist at all? Which is accurate, today's armies aren't commanded exclusively by knights after all.

If Rowan has a weakness and flaw it's Alexia and his willingness to be subservient to preserve her life. He should have let her and himself die but there's not much of a game if he does that :). If Rowan is a fake he's doing an extraordinary job because the two things he was set against Karnas and Rosaria didn't last very long.
I can't tell if it is shared by other players of this game or just me, i can't even talk for the people that like my post here pointing this, i just can talk for myself, i unfortunately didn't search for other post with similar critics, but from time to time there are post with critics or praise for the character. So in a way, if you need to classify if this theory is shared or not by others, you can at least known that is in your words my "head canon". With that established, the game not, the story, the narrative, the how it's build, Rowan live in a society that enforce Feudalism, during that period, all the people known well their rights according to their social status, no one would just slip from commoner to nobleman or vice-versa just easy, this was a way of thinking of the society as a whole and was enforced. Rowan in that condition would just had a bad time if he were catch doing something not according to his status.

With a social systems like that, it would just be impossible for a commoner to command any army of knights, even if his words in the battlefield just make sense for them of what to do against the enemy. And was told of Rowan during the war, isn't exactly according to a commoner, it would have much sense if comes from at least a minor nobleman house because being a commoner trying to learn by just seeing and acting while fighting, surviving taking orders wouldn't exactly enough to understand details of how weapons are used, the way of fighting with them, how to defend a position, how to attack under some conditions, you know, that would overwhelm anyone without any knowledge at all about the ways of war, and even the best generals through history became overwhelm, just think in a peasant trying to learn that in the battlefield without any guidance at all while do other things, like not being killed.

Yes, there wasn't formal structures to teach military knowledge, that's another point against Rowan the peasant in a Feudal fuck up society, many of military knowledge was just passed or instructed by the noblemen to their sons or the sons of others noblemen by instruction or tutelage, not only during a real war, that was for experience, but not all nobles was just thrown into a war without any formal instruction. Thanks to the plague, the print, the America discovery and destruction of Lisbon the people left far behind that way of thinking about a warrior class making the war and the only ones that can protect the society.

About your last comment, well, that's another issue in game, because in all those weeks (iirc like 60 weeks that are like 1 year and two months) the noblemen in a practical sense did nothing and they appear to known nothing about the villages and churches being conquered, raid, destroyed, burned, with people enslaved and raped, and a plethora of etc.
And how do you imagine he should've obtained this information without entering the place to scout it?
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How? Knock on the door and ask, "hey guys, i just happened to be passing by this evil abandoned castle in the middle of nowhere, that no one had any sane reason to visit for decades. Apparently, it's not abandoned anymore, are you guys hiring?"

There is no movement of the enemy for Rowan to see from the outside. The enemy uses teleport gate to leave and enter the castle, and you won't see any of that until you're actually inside.
Do you really think that all the time Bloodmeen had visitors, recruits, arrival of resources and other merchandise was by just by the use of The Portal?. Let me refreshed memory:

* In Bloodmeen there were new orc recruits, ok that pass, to get them without noticing they have need to make use of the portal.

* In Bloodmeen there were traders selling slaves, how would they know how to get to the portal and make use of it without notice?.

* In Bloodmeen there were a human that was noticed by Cla-min by his potential, being new in the Castle, how he get there?.

* In Bloodmeen every week that pass it gets the income of the villages and mines taken by Rowan and his orcs, how all that tribute pass to the portal without being noticed?.

* During Rowan's expeditions, there was one i remember were he can recruit some bandits, Rowan need to fulfilled his expedition before get back to Bloodmeen, so, how this bandits get into the Castle?.

* We can't forget that in some villages, the orcs are in charge, as happened during the quest were an Orc was fighting for his right about a village he owns by the rights of conquer in Bloodmeen by Might Makes Right against a human mercenary who born in that village and could just served to improve the peasants in working for the Twins without the use of force. So, in essence, they not only send the tribute but at the same time they enforce The Twins Laws and as any other administration, do reports, there is a way to do all that without being noticed?.

* I almost forget, near all what left of Liurial kind get into Bloodmeen, all of them knew about the portal too?.

What i mean is, some of the vital things for Bloodmeen were entirely obfuscated, but some others were completely unexpected, and difficult to think that all of them pass just by the portal. So, The Twins were very carefully to be in low, but wasn't precisely like an abandoned place that no one visited doing the travel by road.
Rowan has no duty to report anything; he's no active soldier, just a guy whose wife was kidnapped. Furthermore, he already reported the presence of demons. He wasn't believed. What makes you think he would be believed if, after a year or so, he repeated he's seen demons and they're sitting far away in evil castle?
I'll put you in perspective, if you see the army of the neighbor country next to you assault the city were you lived, they take hostage your wife, will you not report that to the authorities of your country and just trow out to save your wife Rowan's Style? In my case i'll just report, later, if the authorities move, i join them to search for her, but going all alone is in a sense madness and desperate, more considering the lack of any preparation. Moreover, Rowan isn't exactly loved by all the nobility and i don't remember he could just prove his words to them, as far i can remember, the kingdom was apparently in a very poor condition, just think about it, villages and churches conquered in a year and they nobles did nothing, there must be something we can't see or there is another issue.
That's an absolutely silly simile. Commanding armies in medieval times was nowhere near level of open-heart surgery, complexity wise. As evidenced by zero such surgeons in that era while there was plenty of (often clueless) military commanders.

The point is, most people in these times didn't touch any proverbial skill book, because there wasn't anything like that for them to touch. They all largely made it up as they went, on individual basis. In such environment a peasant wasn't handicapped to the point where he could never catch up and/or excel, provided they're smart enough.
Pal, the reality for Rowan in those times he was in the low food chain in contrast to the nobleman, no other army of knights would follow him knowing his origin for sure, not even if his words during the very same course of a siege and the need of regroup or armed a defense position would just make sense to them, and even this last thing would just be difficult to achieve by a man, specially a peasant without any formal education most than how to use properly a bow (that was the most common knowledge to all the commoners that serve during a War), if we take Rowan as a mercenary that was part of a mercenary army, he would just still lack in combat training and any strategy.
You are massively overthinking this. The answer to Rowan's status as a commoner who somehow became a man with advanced knowledge in military tactics, combat, and so on is the fact that this is a fantasy game. It does not have to be accurate to how things work real world, it is not intended to be accurate to the real world. Rowan showed natural talent when fighting against Kharnas' forces, he was elevated to higher ranks over time, he learned as he went, and became a legendary hero. It does not need to be any more complicated than that and as far as we know it isn't.
It's truth, but that doesn't stop people with some knowledge to give their tiny insignificant non monetary support for this game, because independently of all flaws it's still still enjoyable, just there are things that could help in getting the game more immersive.
"massively overthinking this" sounds about right. By the way, it should be reminded that the starting point of the game was the idea of exploring 'what happens after': you are a hero after defeating the boss, you came back to your normal life, now what?

In this optics, the details on how Rowan got his hero status are not that essential (although for me they are pretty clear, all things considered). Rowan is basically after he went back to be a farmer. The focus is the next step, not what happened before.
It could be said, yes, if you enjoy the game as it is there's no problem. But there are people like me or like the other user far before me who explain to us in this thread how Raeve Keep must be constructed and how the handle of Rowan's Sword must be, because that help in the immersion. It's like remember GoT and the famous scene were the sword of Valyrian Steel just blend while John Snow mount a horse. Hilarious, yes, but kicks you out of the immersion. Another thing, Cincinnatus was more like nobleman of his time, he was in opposition to make the laws equal for all the people, specially for the commoners. While Rowan was a peasant that works in the land of a nobleman, Cincinnatus was a nobleman of his time who owns a farm in which he worked. What both have in common is about being great generals and both after the war came back to their normal activities, but Rowan did not by choice.
Most of gear/soldier/castle management is either broken or not implemented at all. Am guessing since it's not actually used for anything (other than one of possible paths early in the game, and to minimal extent, i.e. the broken upgrades don't make any difference) there's little incentive to fix this mess.

edit: for the equipment production specifically, iirc it can initially take a few days for the equipment to make it to the soldiers, after the forge is built. Perhaps it's intentional, hard to tell.
I had experimented that and others bugs without advice, i remember a time were i just had to replay because something goes wrong every time i successfully make a village to trade with Bloodmeen instead of conquer them or destroy them, the panel never update the number of villages and resources...
 
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Hey everyone. I just reached the beginning of Week 4 and I'm being offered the choice or staying the same room with the wife or to keep separate rooms. I have NTR turned on. What H-scenes does this effect and does it change any other important choices later on? Also can you change this decision later?
 
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Hey everyone. I just reached the beginning of Week 4 and I'm being offered the choice or staying the same room with the wife or to keep separate rooms. I have NTR turned on. What H-scenes does this effect and does it change any other important choices later on? Also can you change this decision later?
Whatever you decide, the relation Rowan have with his wife can fuck up later if you choose to save someone when you need to do an important conquer you'll see...
 
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Is it normal to have every Alexia x Andras scene go one after another in the same week? I don't remember being like this, almost an hour in consecutive events at this moment, it's kinda boring
 

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It could be, but as far as i know during Feudalism was enforced the idea of Class or States in Society were in some form like sacred, so you wouldn't be allow to do another thing in life if your origin (were you were born, like family, social status...) isn't according to it, even the most low of the minor nobleman starving wouldn't be allow to work in the fields so the same for any commoner, none of them would have never the same rights and privileges as the noblemen. If it wasn't any mention of this in Seed of Chaos, it would be mostly normal that Rowan who came from a peasant origin could make great achievments during his service in the army during the War, unfortunately this isn't the case. Besides, the time Achilles lived was way long before feudalism, and he was the son of the King of the Myrmidons with a Goddess which make of him a Demigod, Rowan is good but isn't told so fucking good (yet because this is Act I ;v ). William Marshall was the son of a minor nobleman, so...
No, this is a common misconception. Until the high middle ages (and in many countries even deep into the early modern period) any knight could make any other man a knight. Most of the privileges and rights that a knight had were only as enforceable as his sword was sharp. Another common misconception you have is that you are conflating knighthood with nobility. Every noble was a knight, but not every knight was a noble. What made a man a noble varied from kingdom to kingdom, country to country. In some it was relation to the king, in others it was the lands one owned and in some lands nobility could be bought with gold or piety (taking the clothe and becoming a priest). What made a man a knight mostly meant that he rode a horse, wore armor and carried a sword and lance proficiently. And the other knights had to recognize him as such. This was very important and it meant that if a man knighted himself he would have to defeat his naysayers in combat. A large part of why the knights did not dilute themselves to accolade just about anybody who they liked was that you were expected to fight, you were a warrior and it didn't matter how badly you were going to lose, your name was only as good as you gave in battle.

I brought up Achilles primarly for the reason that he is heroic and well known. Although he himself was a king, he was not the king leading the Acheans against the Trojans though all the Acheans looked to him for leadership. I brought up William Marshall because he started with nothing but a sword and with that sword he won himself a castle almost single-handedly. I could have brought up a number of men-at-arms or some of the members of the White Company that started in a similar position to Rowan were accoladed and enobled but they aren't well known.
 
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Is it normal to have every Alexia x Andras scene go one after another in the same week? I don't remember being like this, almost an hour in consecutive events at this moment, it's kinda boring
Yes, it's how the Alexia x Andras path is at the moment. Once Alexia submits to Andras, the NTR path will start and you will get consecutive events one right after another. I also don't like it and I hope it will be changed once the whole route for Act I is finished.
 
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