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You can use Unren.bat to unlock the debug mode. If I remember right, you can't use it to directly raise you stats, but you can use it to give yourself a bunch of money and then buy all the Cla-min stat upgrade items.
Ren'Py Seeds of Chaos [v0.4.08] [Vénus Noire]
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Is alexia's corruption path which intertwines with andras and zahira going to be expanded upon further? I have yet to see any mention of it for the past 10 or so pages and am wondering if the andras x alexia story is completed.
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I sure as shit hope so. Hopefully we see bunch more in act 2.
My question is why don't she ask Rowan if she can join in especially if and after she slept with Greyhide 1st before and if Rowan does after. Plus they both share Xzaratl in threesomes. So its kinda stupid she leaves room if you do all the swinging plus if commits 1st NTR act. I can see they both stayed faithful then Rowan pulls 180 committing 1st NTR act, she leaves room.Since you mentioned this, Alexia getting jealous of Helayna even though Rowan allowed her to be with Greyhide is a little bit hypocritical, ain't it? Why is not that interaction flagged, so they may have a different reaction for each circumstances, if I may ask? It's not a criticism, just I always wondered about it.
I don't know who those people are. Is this some meme that I am to white to understand?
Yup the wife is really badly written. Like absolutely dislikable as a person and a 100 times more dislikable as a wife wife.
Like if they want to use her for ntr make her likable, make her the dream wife so that people can simp for her and for her NTR to really hurt (make it so that Rowan needs to cheat several times, to neglect her and so on for her to finally go into ntr). So far she is portrayed as a dislikable narcissist incapable of thinking from the perspective of others. Only me me me me me me
Well... That's the whole point for Alexia in Act I, to tempt the player to maintain her pure or corrupted and loyal or disloyal, Alexia is a very complex character now giving the interaction of Rowan with her by the player may ease or become pain in future acts...
The only thing is... Rein said that many if not all LI (included Alexia) are by now "impregnated", now, giving Corrupted Alexia we must think from " of what exactly" to "the thing in her belly is a person?", i mean, she has fuck everything alive and mix with Chaos Magic, damn, even Nasim was worried for whatever result of an impregnation during the magical treatment, perhaps that's the secret ending, she giving birth some Cthullu like thing, making real the "end of the story" for that world not as Hegel said, but in a more literal sense...
I don't think you get what I am saying. No mater the player choice. She is portrayed as a bad person, a bad human. There is no purity or loyalty unless that loyalty is to herself and her own desires. There is no complexity! (at least not on the path I have played. Not going down NTR/gay path)
Like we have a literal hero (one of the 6 saviors) giving up his life and happiness to protect and take care of her. What does she do? Cheats on him... Literally one of the best men in the world is basing his life around her, and she cheats... Like she literally does not even try to be decent or show love for Rowan. Like I have a few people I truly love in the world, and I would literally kill myself before having any of them go thru a tenth the shit she put Rowan thru for me.
Even when she is "loyal" to Rowan, she watches him waste away seeing him cling to a few points of heroism (no mater how twisted) and begrudges them. Not once in the story do I see the wife put herself below Rowan, not once do I see her sacrifice herself for him... And I only played the loyal/pure path...
Like the man is literally breaking himself for her and there is no need for some plot, scheme or even a threat for her to betray him... Just some feelings...
Like is that what people this days see love as? What they see loyalty as?!? SOMETHING TO BE THROWN AWAY AT THE FIRST SIGN OF TROUBLE!?!
You know, whenever I think I'm an insecure weirdo, at least I can come back on this forum and see someone throwing a tantrum over the possibility of a fictional character cheating on another fictional character in a porn game, and say "well, at least I'm not *that* guy".
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Rowan explaining to Alexia how keeping Helayna as a sex slave is not only not that bad, but in fact the moral thing to do.
We already redid the Rowan/Alexia discussion regarding Helayna, I don't consider it egregious in any way, so personally I wouldn't bother adjusting it yet again.
Granted, there are is some weirdness if you complete Greyhide's storyline before it. We need to gate his later events so they only happen after week 25 to avoid.
Then there's the matter of X'zaratl.
Which is it's own thing.
Good for you mate. Keep your spirits up! Would be nice when you read and "understand" the commend next time, but still good for you!
The mater with X something does not really mater. They both chose it at that time both knew what they were getting into. (if you go on with them assuming its a 1 time thing or only 1 other person thing it fits into the story, didn't go that rout so don't know if it breaks later)
Rowan explaining to Alexia how keeping Helayna as a sex slave is not only not that bad, but in fact the moral thing to do.
We already redid the Rowan/Alexia discussion regarding Helayna, I don't consider it egregious in any way, so personally I wouldn't bother adjusting it yet again.
Granted, there are is some weirdness if you complete Greyhide's storyline before it. We need to gate his later events so they only happen after week 25 to avoid.
Then there's the matter of X'zaratl.
Which is it's own thing.
But it would do wonders if the wife said to Rowan that before he leaves for the capital, that he can leave her to live his own life. And there being an ending of Rowan freeing himself in the capital and then beating the twins. Instead of constant me me me me me on the wife.
Buddy, if you want to only read stories about morally upstanding people defeating evil together you should go to Sunday school, not play adult games where the corruption of the main characters isn't a mistake, but the main point. Actually, scratch that, you aren't gonna solely read stories about morally upstanding people in Sunday school, either.
Neither Rowan nor Alexia are good people even in the most pure and corruption-resistant playthroughs. And that's kinda the point. The only way to play this game as a good Rowan is to refuse to serve the twins in the beginning and die in the dungeon. Regardless of how morally you try to play the game, you are actively helping evil win, and anything where Rowan tells you where he's only doing this to bide his time and betray the twins is cope from a character whose primary goal is self preservation. As Rowan, YOU are a bad person. YOU are the reason why the twins can accomplish anything. YOU are the primary reason why thousands and thousands of people can be murdered, tortured, raped, and enslaved by the forces of chaos.
This game isn't for everyone, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. It's impossible for the devs to write paths to satisfy literally everyone, and that's fine. They aren't obligated to appease everyone, and you aren't obligated to play the game.
Neither Rowan nor Alexia are good people even in the most pure and corruption-resistant playthroughs. And that's kinda the point. The only way to play this game as a good Rowan is to refuse to serve the twins in the beginning and die in the dungeon. Regardless of how morally you try to play the game, you are actively helping evil win, and anything where Rowan tells you where he's only doing this to bide his time and betray the twins is cope from a character whose primary goal is self preservation. As Rowan, YOU are a bad person. YOU are the reason why the twins can accomplish anything. YOU are the primary reason why thousands and thousands of people can be murdered, tortured, raped, and enslaved by the forces of chaos.
This game isn't for everyone, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. It's impossible for the devs to write paths to satisfy literally everyone, and that's fine. They aren't obligated to appease everyone, and you aren't obligated to play the game.
Overlord the light novel is in my all time top 10 novels I read. That's for the good guy stories.
And my mayor problem with this game is, (wait for it!) IS THAT WE ARE NOT EVIL!!! Like we are a slave, a good man doing bad against his will (at worst) a guy preparing to stop evil (at best). Is that evil for you? Well to me its not. This game has a lot of potential for Rowan to actually become evil not to struggle under morons and calling it evil. Like I had an entire rant about me wanting an evil Rowan to actually take charge a few pages ago. The older writing shows a lot of signs of it being possible, with the lesson of the story being you either die a hero or live as a villain. (now its sex this sex that )
For me Evil is either complete chaos or abandoning everything for your goal (even yourself).
Pal, welcome to this community... In fact you could just quote me to reserve time of your life writing your comment:
I know that, everyone knows that... Unless you are new in the neighborhood... So, welcome. But still, she's a complex character as how in the "pure" path we can think that the best course of action is to maintain at most near of her husband, now i think of them in a more amplified perspective, they as a couple have troubles, independently of what path you take is reveal that they had problems to conceive a child, a problem that the narrative in most cases move towards Rowan. And is most obvious that they have problems, most if we think in the beginning, the player as Rowan can literally lie to her about what he found during his patrol, if that option is given, the team is giving us a hint that this couple not always tend to communicate well and properly. Moreover, Rowan never, ever talk to her about the things Da Twins tells him to do, so we can think in an scenario where she doesn't ask nor tell (bad wife) and he never tell how was his day nor ask of hers (bad husband). We as players, identify with Rowan because in contrast to Alexia we play him more, learn and suffer his decisions often and we see how that impact not only on him but in general over ppl.
It is easy to blame Alexia for her lack of understanding of her husband, but in a marriage the supporting is something mutual, most of the time Alexia said nothing about all the chances others in Bloodmeen wanted to approach her with sexual motives, in fact, she can have the chance iirc just once and she can iirc leave the matter or going with Da Twins or going with Rowan, but about how they feel each other and what they could do, well, yes, Alexia is more useless, she's put to work to gain more money but doing some jobs can't help Rowan beyond financial terms, she had never proposed to put herself in the line for her husband to be treated better (even if is a lie to be treat better in the end but as far as i remember she never tried), but she can be blame to think in not get worry her husband most as he is? think about it, his husband had just one chance to do the right choice, that was to reject work for the twins but accept in exchange for the safety of his wife (in resume), so, he's sacrificing himself for her and even with the best intention from her side as a gesture for her husband it would be a sacrifice for nothing if she put in risk her own safety to be put as a toy for Bloodmeen for his sake, in that position, it would put her in a desperate situation in which she can't allow that because in the end when she'll be broken and in shred pieces of her former self Rowan will suffer from that anyway, her only hope is in the end that Rowan, her husband and Hero of Solansia, find a way to escape for both of them.
Perhaps the problem is that you are seeing it very dichotomic, in a dark fantasy setting as could be Overlord as you exampled, doesn't mean that MC must be necessary evil from our perspective, MC can be present as a good guy who thinks he do good things, but doesn't realize how much suffering he's doing to others or what sacrifices his making to do his goal considered "just". In fact, even if Rowan thinks he's doing "good" or try to "curb" or "counterweight" or "change for good" Da Twins, he's just lying himself and it will not matter because in the end most of the world will have to deal with the consequences of the War of Da Twins, a War that he participated and with a magically weakling world near dying, and he will have responsibility for that too, even if he "heroically" sacrifice himself in the end or he sacrifice his wife and his life too, it would be meaningless. There could be a chance that at the moment he could stop Da Twins it's more than too late for the world, as the background story with more of the introduction of the Fae Plot, that world is fuck anyway.
The thing is... it is an scripted event, for what Rowan will have those status that make him better at lying and be as diplomat as a politician if he can't even convince his wife?... And even in the event with Liurial to have the threesome he must convince her of be better woman than Liurial, who is a fucking elf pal, an elf that could be the great grandmother of the great grandmother of Rowan, with centuries if not millenia of sexual experience (and decades in the better case). Rowan can't offer nothing good for Alexia over Helayna's sad state.
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I never wanted to be part of that kind of neighborhood...
Your commend has once again maid me realize that sex is overshadowing the story. Like from this commend alone I see a dozen different ways for character growth and development (which are sadly lacking in the story), and from the "neighborhood" I am assuming that our conversations has happened a 100 different times and was going on for months if not years.
Therefore I have decided to kill of most of my like/ investment into the game, slowly decoupling myself from it. (going to wait a few years to see if some good story telling will come back or if it will be just some more pointless sex events and plot holes galore story)
Thank you for allowing me to come out of the "I can change him phase" into acceptance. What be will be.
I shall slowly return to the shadows searching, and waiting for a game that can brighten them.
FAREWELL AND BODE THE WELL MY FRIEND!!! MAY WE MEET IN BETTER TIMES!
This kind of games aren't for many, but yeah, there have been discussions about how much Venus Noire Team tried to offer more kinks in hopes to get most attention possible from many audience as possible, they recognize that and they are suffering the consequences as most of the planning originally plot still is a WIP because they pleased before the demand of sex from any all tendencies accepted by Patreon, they delayed a lot of things and now they had to rewrite some past events to fit better with all the things they had released for the game, well, still ppl is demanding the next act, we will see the development of that.