Ren'Py Seeds of Chaos [v0.4.10] [Vénus Noire]

[perles75]

for me it has always been very amusing how players are able to stomach the worst kind of abuse and extreme kinks, but draw the line so passionately at the relatively harmless NTR -I assume because it hits too close to home (as in, it's a realistic scenario where you can't necessarily suspend disbelief)

 

[Gicoo]

Isn't Greyhide too nice to ntr someone?

 

[enfuego]

for me it has always been very amusing how players are able to stomach the worst kind of abuse and extreme kinks, but draw the line so passionately at the relatively harmless NTR -I assume because it hits too close to home (as in, it's a realistic scenario where you can't necessarily suspend disbelief)

Given the absolutely fucking insane "lesbian NTR" arguments (2 women in your harem having sex without your direct permission beforehand), I really just feel like there's a contingent of people on here that see anything less than absolute control of the love interests as unnacceptable.

 

[loporopo10]

Bonjour! I have been following the game for a couple of years. When will it be finished? In which year? And will the "black screens" - plugs - be filled in? For one to three images per scene is extremely low. Thanks for the answer.

 

[Tufa]

Lesbian NTR is a lower grade of futa NTR, just sayin
maybe it will happen in act 2 or 3 , just sayin

 

[DeemLeem12]

Yes. Because 1) you as the player choose to do it and 2) you have a magical necklace around your neck the twins will use to kill you and the twins don't particularly care if Rowan is upset they managed to corrupt Alexia's faithfulness.

That makes no sense and you don't understand what I posted at all. I chose Alexia to be unfaithful, but I didn't get to choose how Rowan reacts to it, he just accepts it passively. As Rowan, we can choose to be angry if Alexia is unfaithful, just as we can choose, as Alexia, to be unfaithful. There are incidents to show this, where Rowan can get bothered by rumors about Alexia's infidelity, as well as Alexia can get bothered with rumors about Rowan's. The whole Greyhide plot is a disconnect from the established narrative rules of the game so far. Alexia can be curious and want to pursue whatever X'succubus is offering, but Rowan can react negatively about it. Here, Alexia can decide to fuck Greyhide, and Rowan is just forced to accept it. It can be so against his character when he goes "Yeah I understand and accept it". It also makes the AlexiaxAndras and AlexiaxJezara infidelity much weaker since the pull of those plots is about corrupting Alexia and Alexia's infidelity. This is on the writers tbh, forcing a wholesome Greyhide plot that doesn't interact well with the rest of the overarching narrative.

 

[Nickly]

Why doesn't the changelog specify what in the new versions?

 

[Big Green]

for me it has always been very amusing how players are able to stomach the worst kind of abuse and extreme kinks, but draw the line so passionately at the relatively harmless NTR -I assume because it hits too close to home (as in, it's a realistic scenario where you can't necessarily suspend disbelief)

Harmless NTR??? lmao man this shit ruins families and lives. Cheating is never a good thing. Not saying that other extreme themes are fine, but saying that NTR is a harmless thing is just delusional.

 

[Segnbora]

Harmless NTR??? lmao man this shit ruins families and lives. Cheating is never a good thing. Not saying that other extreme themes are fine, but saying that NTR is a harmless thing is just delusional.

Yeah, this is a Bambi and flower garden game, and I can't possibly imagine anyone in it fucking someone other than their life partner.

I mean, c'mon. Read the game room.

Make different choices. Exclude all the partners. It's not actually particularly difficult.

 

[Big Green]

Yeah, this is a Bambi and flower garden game, and I can't possibly imagine anyone in it fucking someone other than their life partner.

I mean, c'mon. Read the game room.

Make different choices. Exclude all the partners. It's not actually particularly difficult.

He said that about NTR in particular, like it is vanilla. So yes no matter the game the NTR is not harmless at all. And i didn't say anything about it being unavoidable so i don't know how was that relevant at all.

 

[Mfka5]

He said that about NTR in particular, like it is vanilla. So yes no matter the game the NTR is not harmless at all. And i didn't say anything about it being unavoidable so i don't know how was that relevant at all.

Its harmless, its all in your mind.
Some people are really sensitive and soft.
Someone else bangs your wife, so what?
He didnt murder her, its not the end of the world. Its just sex. Sounds like their problem.
This is just for real life.
Imagine actually complaning in the game about it, next level pathetic

 

[Big Green]

Its harmless, its all in your mind.
Some people are really sensitive and soft.
Someone else bangs your wife, so what?
He didnt murder her, its not the end of the world. Its just sex. Sounds like their problem.
This is just for real life.
Imagine actually complaning in the game about it, next level pathetic

Yet again why are you even talking about complaints lmao. I know it's hard to read but, i didn't talk or cry about ntr implementation in this game. Enjoy your silly ntr fantasy all you want (but talks about being pathetic lol).

 

[Mfka5]

Yet again why are you even talking about complaints lmao. I know it's hard to read but, i didn't talk or cry about ntr implementation in this game. Enjoy your silly ntr fantasy all you want (but talks about being pathetic lol).

I gave you both examples.
Bruh what?
This is that anti ntr brain talking now

 

[Big Green]

I gave you both examples.
Bruh what?
This is that anti ntr brain talking now

What anti ntr? Are you drunk? When did i say i was against ntr in this game? To me it seems that you are trying so hard to justify it's existance that you actually see everyone as an enemy and part of anti ntr croud.

 

[Mfka5]

What anti ntr? Are you drunk? When did i say i was against ntr in this game? To me it seems that you are trying so hard to justify it's existance that you actually see everyone as an enemy and part of anti ntr croud.

Are you drunk?
I told you why its not harmful both irl and in game. That was your original argument, was it not. Actually go on, tell us how its harmful in game other than your feelings getting hurt.

 

[Big Green]

Are you drunk?
I told you why its not harmful both irl and in game. That was your original argument, was it not. Actually go on, tell us how its harmful in game other than your feelings getting hurt.

How is it not harmful?? Especially irl? You must be joking, otherwise you are just young or stupid. Do you even know what NTR means in the first place? It's not just sex, you prety much lose your beloved one. Even simple cheating as i said already can ruin famlilies, and yet you are saying it's just sex lol. Even in games ntr has always way darker thones than vanilla stuff.

But let's forget about irl and talk about this game if you want it this much. The dude's wife possibly giving birth to someone else's child by the end of act 2-3. Heck she could be some kind of demon or mutant at this point mindbroken and pure evil. So yes eventually, you could say that he will lose his wife and she is dead for him. Which is the whole point of ntr (for mc to suffer). So the harm is done.

 

[Mfka5]

How is it not harmful?? Especially irl? You must be joking, otherwise you are just young or stupid. Do you even know what NTR means in the first place? It's not just sex, you prety much lose your beloved one. Even simple cheating as i said already can ruin famlilies, and yet you are saying it's just sex lol. Even in games ntr has always way darker thones than vanilla stuff.

But let's forget about irl and talk about this game if you want it this much. The dude's wife possibly giving birth to someone else's child by the end of act 2-3. Heck she could be some kind of demon or mutant at this point mindbroken and pure evil. So yes eventually, you could say that he will lose his wife and she is dead for him. Which is the whole point of ntr (for mc to suffer). So the harm is done.

I mean, you can choose to get offended, grab a gun and blast everyone american style or choose to not get bothered and still find satisfaction. Its all in the mindset.

About the game, i wouldnt mind if she gives birth. You see this is where we already conflict.
And i doubt shes gonna become a demon or smth, at least i dont see it in my playthrough.

I'd avoid talking about kinks because games are not designed to make you angry or offended, how would they profit then.
They make everything for a reason and money talks

 

[Big Green]

I mean, you can choose to get offended, grab a gun and blast everyone american style or choose to not get bothered and still find satisfaction. Its all in the mindset.

About the game, i wouldnt mind if she gives birth. You see this is where we already conflict.
And i doubt shes gonna become a demon or smth, at least i dont see it in my playthrough.

I'd avoid talking about kinks because games are not designed to make you angry or offended, how would they profit then.
They make everything for a reason and money talks

You can choose to not get bothered by anything, doesn't mean the situation is not harmful.

 

[Jynx_lucky_j]

Rather than quoting all the previous decision, I'm just going to name drop Mfka5/ Big Green as the main ones I'm replying to.

First of all, you both might want to take the combativeness down a notch, less the mods come in to deal with it directly.

That aside, you know what else is harmful? Having your entire family murdered. I would even go so far as to say that it is way more traumatic than being cheated on. But it is still a very popular plot point in fiction. Where is the outcry about its depiction? No one sits down to a nice wholesome revenge action movie and then loudly complains online about the familicide in the inciting incident. (Note that I am being a bit hyperbolic here, obviously there is some small percentage of people that will complain about literally anything, the point is they are an insignificantly small number). It even shows up in otherwise "family friendly" media.

In fact I would posit that most media is about the charater's lives being ruined in some way. Generally speaking we are more interested in stories with high stakes. Thats why there aren't a lot of stories where the main confict is that the local grocery store was out f eggs. Generally speaking it has to be somethign that is ruinous of the characters life, at least from their perspective.

And it is even more egregious when, in cases like this game, the audience can choose for the event to happen and then get upset when it happens. Insert the self-inflicted sitck-in-bike-wheel meme. That said, from my understanding, that isn't what DeemLeem12 was upset about with the Greyhide situation. He wasn't upset that he chose for Alexia to cheat he was upset with the results. He wanted there to be more fallout from his choices, for his choices to have serious long term ramifications. Which is a valid stance to take.

However the argument agains irl harm is rediculous. By that logic the only thing that is harmful is direct harm. Oh your whole family was murdered? Just choose not to be sad/angry. It's not like you were murdered, its all in your mindset bro. That's some psychopathic level of lacking empathy. If you are in complete and total control of your emotions at all times, good for you I guess. But while people are still responsible for the actions they takes, most people are not in control for how they feel in a given situation, and it takes them some time to work through their emotion even in the best cases.

 

[Raven_Light]

Its harmless, its all in your mind.
Some people are really sensitive and soft.
Someone else bangs your wife, so what?
He didnt murder her, its not the end of the world. Its just sex. Sounds like their problem.
This is just for real life.
Imagine actually complaning in the game about it, next level pathetic

Everyone here that complains about NTR In this game actually believe Alexia is their wife and think Andras is real R.I.P. If anyone is getting NTR on it's Xzaratl, Greyhide, and Jeerza. Andras be the one fucking both Rowan and Alexia rofl, "not literally the player." Lmfaool