Ren'Py Seeds of Chaos [v0.4.13a] [Vénus Noire]

[Canto Forte]

Version: 0.3.03
Release Notes
- Fixed the three issues causing uncaught exceptions
- Tutorial mine should now trigger at the first mine you visit
- Goblin mine event should not occur until after you have met Cla-min

 

[Nazgul115]

Alexia hottest girl change my mind

 

[Rein]

Every scene on screen is consensual, even if we're stretching the definition to it's very limits.

If it is not, I will make it so.

 

[monk_56]

Even stretching the definition to its very limits, is a bit of an understatement.

Pretty sure most big games have Patreon review their stuff before they post it though- so Patreon is willing to stretch the definition / turn a blind eye a little as well for those bucks.

I was actually fuckin' gobsmacked by how long Ravager lasted on Patreon before it got dunked. That game is basically non-con simulator.

Rein over here acting as the Jean-Luc Picard of Soc. "Make it so."

 

[rivon]

I was actually fuckin' gobsmacked by how long Ravager lasted on Patreon before it got dunked.

I wounder what give it away??
May be word Ravager
I picture thought process of this reviewers: "Hmmm this sex game named Ravager... what could it possible be about?"
Just wounder if they called their game "Loli Ravager" would it lasted less?

 

[Jynx_lucky_j]

Luckily patreon seems to draw a line between mind control and rape. I'm not sure what the logic there is but it is there. Regardless it is working towards our benefit so I'm not going to complain.

 

[uncommonsence]

Zhukov was high utility, high danger defined. The state desperately needed a competent commander in charge and Zhukov is an all time great general. But, he was popular, the only figure in the Soviet Union with a prayer of overthrowing Stalin, and real motives for doing so.

I dunno how you've fallen from discussing gamedev to this but the only thing zhukov was really great is coolstorytelling. Casanova, Sargon, Ben Franklin and creators of holy bible are pure and honest pussies in comparison.

 

[T51bwinterized]

The point is largely irrelevant. A general who appears to have utility is similair to one who actually has utility insofar as the problem is concerned.

 

[tlarsen]

Hope we get way more of Cla-Min in the future gotta love a Goblin shortstack!

 

[Rein]

Hope we get way more of Cla-Min in the future gotta love a Goblin shortstack!

Yes!

 

[monk_56]

Hope we get way more of Cla-Min in the future gotta love a Goblin shortstack!

Cla-min fans, ya love to see em ;-P.

I'm looking forward to it as well - my guess is we will get her NPC finale in the next release (Jan)- and the art for the finale in the following one.

There should also be new short-stack art this release since a double goblin-gal x Rowan BJ scene was one of the CG poll winners the other day.

 

[uncommonsence]

Zhukov at the beginning of war with no experience

U kinda speak about dude whose one an only business from his 19 was war. Infinite war practice from 1915 to 1939 and later on different officer positions.

Stalin killed majority of professional commanders during purges 1930th

joseph was definitely a butcher, but that doesn't mean that everyone he killed were pros and overall good ppl.

2) To understand someones value you have to compare.
The people he had to deal with was greatest military minds of that time. German generals just conquered all Europe and had not just talent but also experience.

so true. but you should compare accurately to not fool yourself.
german army had almost zero practice between world wars (spanish civil war, small numbers and unofficially) unlike soviets

But if russians had truly poor generals they would end up like those englishman at Dunkirk.

Dunkirk was fail but nothing compared to destroyed soviet armies in summer 41 or abandoned and sentenced to starving Leningrad.

 

[T51bwinterized]

Yeah the only reason I brought up Zhukov was to compare Stalin's dilemma when it came to Zhukov to Rowan's role in the castle. We don't actually need an in-depth analysis of Zhukov's merits or demerits as a general insofar as it doesn't pertain to Seeds of Chaos.

We have a history talk channel in the "open to everyone" segment of our discord channel. It might be a better place for it.

 

[manscout]

Ironically I would argue that if "the problem of generals" was the main reason for why the Twins treat Rowan the way they do, then they should honestly just be straight up nicer to a "good Rowan" that isn't actively trying to saboutage their major goals.

Think of it like this, no matter how high Rowan's utility might be, he should never be popular enough to incite a coup centered around his figure as long as the core of the Twins' corps remain "forces of chaos". If Rowan is trying to prevent looting and ravaging and pillaging at every turn then the orcs and demons will never get behind him against the Twins. If anything this would be the best case scenario for the Twins because they get to reap all the benefits of Rowan's sound administration while mocking Rowan's "orderly values" and placing the responsability on him for any decisions that are unpopular with the chaos races.

In this scenario, it makes perfect sense for the Twins to act antagonistic to Rowan in public, but behind the scenes they should definitely be trying to be more amiable to him and treating him well for his good job, instead of constantly harassing him for his values and trying to "break" him, because if they do that then they either fail and push him to a breaking point where he rebels against them, or they suceed and he becomes corrupted and then he has a real chance of becoming popular with the chaos forces and pose a threat to overthrow them, it is a lose-lose situation.

Maybe something to consider for chapter 2 anyway, a path where Rowan has demonstrated his loyalty to the Twins but isn't really keen on the whole "become an evil piece of shit and revel on the pain and suffering of others" that the Twins keep trying to force on him.

 

[Mag. Opus]

I'll be honest. The fact that sneaking Delane out of the orc camp results in her either leaving the city on bad terms with Rowan or just getting absolutely

SHREKT

out of existence leaves me feeling kind of sad. Juliet does salve the pain a little bit. Can't wait to tell her that we killed her Daddy.

 

[T51bwinterized]

I'll be honest. The fact that sneaking Delane out of the orc camp results in her either leaving the city on bad terms with Rowan or just getting absolutely

SHREKT

out of existence leaves me feeling kind of sad. Juliet does salve the pain a little bit. Can't wait to tell her that we killed her Daddy.

Rowan saved her because he was working for the enemy and lied about it. The fuck did you expect to happen?

 

[Jynx_lucky_j]

Ironically I would argue that if "the problem of generals" was the main reason for why the Twins treat Rowan the way they do, then they should honestly just be straight up nicer to a "good Rowan" that isn't actively trying to saboutage their major goals.

Think of it like this, no matter how high Rowan's utility might be, he should never be popular enough to incite a coup centered around his figure as long as the core of the Twins' corps remain "forces of chaos". If Rowan is trying to prevent looting and ravaging and pillaging at every turn then the orcs and demons will never get behind him against the Twins. If anything this would be the best case scenario for the Twins because they get to reap all the benefits of Rowan's sound administration while mocking Rowan's "orderly values" and placing the responsability on him for any decisions that are unpopular with the chaos races.

The only problem I see is that I can't a see a "good" Rowan not also trying to sabotage the twins. Rowan can't stop the troops from looting, ravaging, and pillaging, and then turn around and just let the twins do what they do during the fall of Rasteal. What good is trying to stop that behavior when the twins just over rule him and allow it anyways. Rasteal was a harsh reminder to a good Rowan that there is no softening of the twins. So if he is to be a good person he must oppose them as much as he can.

Now I don't think either chaos or order are necessarily good or evil in and of themselves. There is nothing saying that I person in a might makes right society can use their might to help people and maintain peace, and I think we are all familiar with the concept of corrupt bureaucracies. But chaos would tend to attract the type that wants to fulfil their baser desires, and order can only tolerate so much blatant evil before that order starts to unravel. So they do have a certain amount of tendency in a certain direction.

 

[Jynx_lucky_j]

I'll be honest. The fact that sneaking Delane out of the orc camp results in her either leaving the city on bad terms with Rowan or just getting absolutely

SHREKT

out of existence leaves me feeling kind of sad. Juliet does salve the pain a little bit. Can't wait to tell her that we killed her Daddy.

I've mentioned this before (and this is pretty much a repost of my previous thoughts), but I actually don't think Delane's fate when you back Werden is that bad all things considered.

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[Mag. Opus]

Rowan saved her because he was working for the enemy and lied about it. The fuck did you expect to happen?

Lol. I said I was sad. Not that I was surprised or enraged.

I've mentioned this before (and this is pretty much a repost of my previous thoughts), but I actually don't think Delane's fate when you back Werden is that bad all things considered.

Spoiler: Delane's Fate

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[HentaiGamerN00b]

The only problem I see is that I can't a see a "good" Rowan not also trying to sabotage the twins. Rowan can't stop the troops from looting, ravaging, and pillaging, and then turn around and just let the twins do what they do during the fall of Rasteal. What good is trying to stop that behavior when the twins just over rule him and allow it anyways. Rasteal was a harsh reminder to a good Rowan that there is no softening of the twins. So if he is to be a good person he must oppose them as much as he can.

Now I don't think either chaos or order are necessarily good or evil in and of themselves. There is nothing saying that I person in a might makes right society can use their might to help people and maintain peace, and I think we are all familiar with the concept of corrupt bureaucracies. But chaos would tend to attract the type that wants to fulfil their baser desires, and order can only tolerate so much blatant evil before that order starts to unravel. So they do have a certain amount of tendency in a certain direction.

In a game based on corruption do you expect to be "good"... That is a very relative term... Rowan at the end of all is still human and he had his reserves when the twins in the more dumb way possible ask for his opinion (as a slave opinion matters anyway because Rowan at the end of the day is just that) what he thinks about ruling, so we can choose between maintain a class society pure Old Regime Style where if you born peasant, you, your family and descendants will be always a fucking peasant and die between poverty, lack of health and famine independently of whatever achievements or services they could had done... An option he thinks maintain stability but his "true colors" comes if Might Makes Right is chosen, he definitely put clear to the twins and even his wife that he doesn't like much the Monarchy, dammit the guy at the end could just conquer for the twins everything and then betray them with the power he hopes for to obtain from the chaos god.

The thing is not if chaos is or not evil, it doesn't matter anyway, it is proved that from chaos itself an order came from, what we think of what is order can be chaos, because the order in-between the chaos came from the interaction of all the forces in it, or in a society, all the actors involved... This came from the harmonization between the interactions... Is because of that Europe don't devolve to the Stone Age after Rome collapse by emerging laws without any regulator of any State kind like was the Lex Mercatoria. In the case from this game, if Venus Noire Team wants it, Rowan can end up fucking all the Monarchy to then fuck up the twins for good and leaving the world for itself, to the "invisible hand", for the people to be free, until and asshole group of bandits came over with the Monarchy shit again as declare as origin of The State into the Predatory State Theory.